I'm more than a tad concerned that we are hearing nothing from the Club at the moment regarding both Parky's future and the retained list. My concern is that IF they are waiting for a takeover to happen and then in three weeks time that collapses just before completion we are really up against it. Then, even if they did want to get rid of Parky, they would have to probably stick with him as time would then be against us. Why can't they just get on with it and make a decision based on the fact it's going to be business as normal. If something happens subsequently then deal with it then but to wait and see could be very damaging. Parky was right in saying that next season has started already and so we need to get our arses into gear. Back him or sack him but whichever it is please get on with it.
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The wheels are turning underneath we just cant and wont see it yet
all contracts run until 30th June. If you are not renewing a contract you can annouce it now. Loads of Clubs are doing so at the moment just wonder why we are not.
agree to an extent but you wouldn't surely have waited until the season had ended to have a discussion about Parky's future. I would have thought you would have been talking about that at least three/four weeks beforehand so that an actual decision could be made asap after the Narwich game. All I'm saying is IF we are waiting for a takeover to happen we know from the Zabeel affair that it could all go tits at the last minute and then we could be into early June and in a right pickle. Surely we should just get on with it as if nothing would change.
because they are going through a period of redundancies and restructuring and budget cuts, until that is done for the back office staff, they can't start of the process of restructuring those under contracts and those who have expiring contracts.
with 33 people put at risk, and all having 4 consultation meetings within a 30 day period (count the meetings yourself) there hasn't physically been time to have a piss let alone deal with lots of other things.
It'll all be over next week though, so hopefully then you'll be happy to get some evidence of the club doing something.
ok, thanks Suzi.
Look back over the years, we've never been a club that announce say 6 players are leaving all on the same day in the middle of May, we usually hear something later on.
I'm certain they are working on things now just in case nothing does happen. There's a lot of decisions to be made and a lot things dealt with by the board will effect Parkinson's decisions, and the players he wants to keep, let go and bring in might effect their decisions. We might for example be able to keep Holland, but have to let players like Wright, Arter and Yussuff go. They have to have talks with players to see if they will play in League One, if they'll take wage cuts etc. Going to take a lot longer than the mid table clubs that know exactly what they'll have to work with and are carrying on as usual.
That's a good point.
all good points Scoham which I could understand a bit more if we were say Narwich, relegated on the last day, but we were down a month before that at least and a lot of these conversations you allude to could have taken place way before now (IMO).
Fair point but they must have been thinking about a lot of it already, like cfgs said once the dust settles they make the final decisions.
Clearly players like Todorov and Weaver will be released, the board and Parkinson must have known that for a while now, they just haven't announced anything yet.
We know they were working out the new season ticket prices for a while and there were/still are talks ongoing regarding the Carbrini deal and extending the Joma contract. Then there's the supposed talks about a takeover with Peter Varney and whoever else. Just don't really believe they haven't been busy, plenty of behind the scenes stuff to sort out that we're not effected by or won't hear much about.
Large all sorts of things are going on behind the scenes...of that you can be sure.
If there's nothing to announce then there's nothing to announce....and there was I thinking I was just about the most impatient person on the planet....it seems not!
Who is ??
Irrespective of takeover, he sould go and the current board put the feelers out to see who is available, one can never have enough time in such a critical matter. If the takeover materialises, he is a dead man walking by many accounts, and those behind are no doubt be working behind the scenes anyway on finding a new manager.
The dilemma, as I see it is: Do they
a) do nothing, let him operate making enquiries, signings, decisions to sell our better players if the offers are right. His record on signings is mediocre at best. If no takeover, he has had time to shape the team for next season, though this scares me.
b) sack parky, find new manager within the tight financial restraints -> can only improve club matters and performances, though may not be the takeovers's first choice.
c) Wait for definitive news on takeover, which may not happen.
d) Something else, please give details...
a, b, c or d anyone?
He has no record of signing players really though does he? The players he has brought in on loan(Ward for one) have done well? So i cant understand this particular argument
Lets face it, despite bringing in 10 players, we went down, with the unwanted accolade of Charlton's longest ever winless run.
10 players in, not great results.
Wasn't a great deal of choice of players available to him, was there?
The players willing to come here, were players that weren't good enough to get in their club sides.
We were bottom of the League, without a pot to piss in.
So how was Parkinsella going to find polished diamonds for nothing - from other club's dross ... ?
On the playing staff side Burnely got into the play offs with 23 players being used. We had somewhere near 35.
No, the 10 players brought in during parky's reign had nothing to do with Padew. Would we have finished any lower without them and trying to bleed the youngsters a little sooner? No.
Then why bother bringing in 9 examples of 'other peoples dross'. As things stand we still haven't, without takeover, a pot to do the proverbial in. Therefore can only expect more of the same with parky as all other things are the same except that we will, in likelihood, lose a number of our better players and playing in a lower league.
Anyway, we can agree to disagree and am just trying to understand other's oppinions.
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Do they have they same restructuring to deal with that we do? Maybe there is no one else out there who wants the job, maybe they are looking and getting laughed at.
The board have probably the hardest job they've ever faced this week. It can't be easy. People, who had nothing to do with the dross served up on the pitch are having their lives turned upside down, it's quite right that the boards efforts are placed with these individuals.
He signed 10 players off his own back, 8 off which I'd say where total dross. Deon Burton anyone, good use of wages there eh.
Nothing is free and we can't afford anything.
Unless some money does come into the club, don't expect anything more than non league players, especially if Cluelessson remains manager.
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That's fair enough Denmark.
My opinion is that you just have to put yourself in Parky's shoes.
First, he inherited a squad that was split into at least 2 factions, and a dressing room that had largely been lost by Pardew.
Also, personal player self-confidence and team morale was at rock bottom.
The club had been kicked in the proverbials by the last minute collapse of the Zabeel coup - and the fall out penetrated and disillusioned every corner of the club.
First thing required was to change the energy of the club.
You can't generally do that by chucking in a whole bunch of untried very raw youngsters.
That's sacrificing lambs for slaughter.
What else to do?
Bring in fresh blood.
How to do it in November when the transfer window is shut?
Loans. Absolutely no other way.
Who can he bring in?
Only those that rival managers are willing to let go - and equally, are willing to come to a rock bottom side.
Many won't fancy that - they'd rather play in their own club's reserves picking up their wages , without family upheaval of going on loan to a club in another area of the country.
But we got the ageing but talented Gillespie for a month - who didn't really let anyone down but the fact he hadn't played for his parent club all season didn't help.
And we got Burton. Why? Because he was available and actually willing to come here.
Meanwhile, he loses Varney, who even though he's not scoring is still our most dangerous player.
Other key players are out long term injured.
So the January window opens, Charlton are still rock bottom, still not winning - and the Chairman says, sorry there's no money - unless you sell someone.
No one wants to buy our players, the one we might have sold (ZZ) is injured - and Ambrose get's returned from Ipswich with a 'No thank you' note.
Everyone knows the January window is a rip off, where desperate clubs pay over the odds for mediocre players.
Parkinson didn't even have funds to do that. In any case, who wanted to come ? Spring, that's who - and that's all.
Bouazza, our one wildcard player who could actually open up a defence and score, gets the hump and ups sticks.
Can you blame him - swapping a relegation doomed side for a promotion side?
But that doesn't help Parkinson.
So he brings in Kandol on loan.
McEverley who looked really solid at LB is injured and goes home.
He picks up the ageing but diamond geezer Murty at RB.
Meanwhile he's only got 2 centre-backs - and one gets wiped out for the rest of the season.
Parkinson searches amongst the dross that's not been moved on elsewhere - and comes up with Darren Ward, who comes to Charlton and plays as if it's his own club. Parky didn't cock up there, did he?
Murty is crocked prematurely and goes back to Reading.
And in comes a rusty Butterfield, who after a poor start gradually got better and better.
Trying to do major surgery mid-season on a mentally and emotionally destitute rock bottom, unbalanced and positionally bereft side is not the same as trying to do it with a 3 month close season and a clean slate.
Maybe Parkinson could have done better - but just as likely he did what he could, with the resources available.