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Play Off Games against Leeds - Your memories

edited May 2009 in General Charlton
Never mind Millwall , anybody else attend the 3 Play Off games against Leeds.

Although the Birmingham final game will always be remembered for Peter Shirtliff. And the disapearing West Midlands Police ' you are on your own boys' .
What about the Elland Road Game , Keith Edwards was their scorer and for me was without doubt the
most intimidating atmosphere for an away fan of any game I have ever been to.
I remember our train being halted outside Leeds Station , so the station could be cleared and double deckers were brought in to the station concourse and driven to the closest position to the turnstiles.
Our turnout was I would estimate 1500 and the outright hatred was something else.
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  • I was there. Travelled up by car with a mate and after the game had to leave the stadium with the Leeds fans. Agree it was the most intimidating atmos I have experienced at football.
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    Coming into Leeds, there was a bloke hanging from a bridge trying to boot the coaches which gave you some idea of the reception to come. I know a bloke who travelled up under his own steam and was outside when the team bus arrived, he said there was a very obvious effort by their lot to get at Garth Crooks as he got off the coach. Crooksy apparently dived back on the coach PDQ when this happened, can't say I blame him.

    On the way to the third game at Birmingham they pulled the coaches up somewhere in the Brum suburbs and then sent us to the ground about 5 minutes before the start. We pulled up on some wasteland and had to make 500 yards across open terrain with no artillery support, or air cover, to the ground. We were probably outnumbered 10 to 1 in the end but winning that game was absolutely fantastic. I always think it was one of the most important games in CAFC's history. At the time there was no talk of going back to The Valley, and you felt that if we had gone down it could have been the end of Charlton.
  • The third game was almost surreal. I can picture all those flags; Cardiff Whites , Bolton Whites London Leeds, they seemed to come from everywhere.
  • Was at Selhurst and St Andrews, didn't go to Leeds.
  • The game at Elland Road was the only time I have ever been scared at a football match. Was chased by this nutter weilding an axe before the match. And for that reason I didn't go to St Andrews.
  • Took a couple of whacks at Elland Road before the game, which broke the glasses I was wearing at the time - so didn't get to see the game at the other end to us.

    Coming out of the ground at St Andrews was the 1st time I stood my ground when four or five of them rushed at our group as the late Johnny Statham decided to ask a solitary copper the best way to drive out of Birmingham. The 1st one took a running swing at me, missed and I caught him as he stumbled passed me - the second one ran into a pearl of a left swinger and fell to the ground like a sack of spuds screaming his head off. The others decided to back off as my previous successes upped my bravado.

    Five minutes later when in the clear my legs decided to not work after the adrenaline had worn off. I had a swollen hand for about five days.

    Until the St Andrews game I'd never seen 20ft high steel security fencing rocking like that.

    I've still got Bob Bolder's glove from that game somewhere.
  • Was at all three;
    went to Elland Road with 7 others (2 cars), including Kev Hopkins.
    Agree that that was the most frightening game I've been to.
    Came home from St.Andrews with the great Kevin Nolan on the train back to Euston, basically in shock after that extra-time.
  • drove up to Elland Rd and was in the ground about 40 mins before KO (none of the local pubs looked very "nice") and was being coined from the well before kick off.

    afterwards the gates were openned and for some reason I was at the front. I was expecting lines of police horses and cordons. Nothing, we all just walked out in the Leeds fans.

    Couldn't get off work for the Friday St Andrews game.
  • I went to the Selhurst and Elland Road but did not go to Birmingham. For the Elland Road game the coach arrived two hours before kick off, we were sold programme on the coach and then escorted into the ground under a hail of abuse and coins. There was already a large number of Leeds behind the goal who were screaching at us and then proceeded to make monkey noises to the black Charlton players when they came out cup final style, in suits before the game.

    Like others, I could not get time off fo rthe final, so went to watch Gillingham lose their final instead.
  • went to all of them mad days
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  • Got lashed up in the backstreets of Euston before getting the train up to Leeds. Didn't Brendan Ormsby score the goal at Elland Road? Clearly remember the noise when they scored and thinking that was it, they'd get another one. But Miller and Crooks went round the whole team telling them to keep calm and to be fair we did and kept the ball really well until full time. The 1st game at Selhurst was a bit of a tense affair too...and pretty wet as I recall. Good header by Jim Melrose at the death. The game at St Andrews was the best ever for me. I've always maintained that once you'd been through that, nothing else could really compare! When Shirtliff scored the winner I went on a celabratory lap of the concourse with full Mick Channon arm whirl going, including a quick sprint through the open sewer that masqueraded as the male bog....sprinted in one end and out the other. One bloke was sealing himself into trap one, saying "tell me when it's all over!" He just couldn't take it anymore! Like most other people, me and my mates ran for it after the match (I think the police gave us five minutes before releasing the Leeds lot).....and promptly ran straight down a dead end! Can remember thinking "that's 2 and a half minutes gone already...." Eventually went past a pub and noticed a chink of light coming through the shutters....knocked on the door....said the right words "it's alright mate, we're Charlton" and we were in! Got treated like royalty by the Blues fans in there....they hated Leeds and were almost as happy as us. By the time we got to New Street, there were only a few crestfallen Leeds fans sitting around and we even felt confident enough to re-enact the goals using a McDonalds paper bag as a ball....with full commentary of course! Didn't see any real trouble at any of the games....but I guess I was lucky.
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    I did Selhurst and St Andrews.

    My favourite moment after the Birmingham game - we stopped off at the M1 services as we drove home and someone spotted my Charlton shirt.

    "How did they get on?" he said. "We won 2-1 after extra time" I replied.

    "I know" he said. "I was there. I just wanted to hear someone say it".

    A golden moment.
  • Attended the home leg and then went to Elland Road for the second, points I remember from Elland Road were:

    1/ Parking my company van on a bit of waste land outside the ground only to spot a full scale riot going on around it through the gap in the stands, I was shitting myself because by boss never knew I took the van up there, it was however untouched, phew!

    2/ Spending most of the game ducking and dodging the coins being thrown at us from the Leds fans, some of which were filed down to sharpen the points!

    3/ The look of hatred on the faces of the Leeds fans at half time through the wire mesh that seperated us in the bar, feck me I am glad they never had wire cutters!!

    4/ Expecting to find myself escorted when I left he ground only to find I walked out straight into the Leeds fans, how it never went off then I do not know.

    I was unable to get to St Andrews, but to be honest after the above I was happy listening to it on the radio.
  • went to all 3.
    new underwear required after elland rd and st andrews.
  • I was at the home game and I went to St Andrews, but out of fear I didn't go to the the away game! Its one of my biggest football regrets now.
  • Little before my time (was only 4) so my Old Man probably did the sensible thing by not taking me. We'd only just moved up to the Midlands at the time and he went to the St Andrews game and tells me how he was walking back to the car when he realised he'd walked in the wrong direction for about 15 minutes (brain presumably fried by the emotion of the day), which just happened to be the direction the Leeds fans were heading!

    He had to therefore try to casually turn around and walk back against the flow of the hordes of angry Leeds fans, desperately praying he'd been thorough in covering his colours and that no-one gave him cause to need to speak and reveal his strong South London accent all whilst trying to mask the euphoria he was feeling after the result. The fact I can tell this story tells you he made it home, but he says it was the most scarred he's ever been in his life.

    I don't suppose you can argue that the reduction in hooliganism is anything but a good thing, but I can't help feeling like I missed out a bit by not having stories, like those on here, to tell.
  • St Andrews was an experience in fear and elation. As mentioned above, coaches were held back en route, and we arrived about 5 minutes before the start, herded in behind the goal to witness a stadium FULL of Leeds fans.

    After the game, were directed to the coach, parked in waste-land 100 yards up the road behind corrugated iron fencing. Despite being escorted out of Brum, Leeds fans banging on side of coach and throwing stuff. Arrived back in Catford about 3am as far as I can recall.
  • [cite]Posted By: Solaraddick[/cite]St Andrews was an experience in fear and elation. As mentioned above, coaches were held back en route, and we arrived about 5 minutes before the start, herded in behind the goal to witness a stadium FULL of Leeds fans.

    After the game, were directed to the coach, parked in waste-land 100 yards up the road behind corrugated iron fencing. Despite being escorted out of Brum, Leeds fans banging on side of coach and throwing stuff. Arrived back in Catford about 3am as far as I can recall.

    I would rather have took my chances with the Leeds fans than walking the streets of Catford at 3am :-)
  • Coming back from the St Andrews game I remember there being an accident on the M1 southbound. We got out of our car on the motorway along with a few other Charlton fans stuck in the traffic and started re-inacting Shirtliffs second goal.

    We were busy celebrating in the relative calm round about Milton Keynes and all the cars around were tooting their horns and the people in them congratulating us.

    If you ever get the chance to see the game on video - just look at Mark Aizlewood walking away from the goal mouth as the Charlton players are celebrating. We played them off the park that day.
  • At one point during the game at Elland Road, a copper behind me was quietly urging Charlton on when we got forward. He told me and my mates, in the broadest Yorkshire accent imaginable, that they got enough trouble up there playing the likes of Shrewsbury and he could only guess what it would be like playing Man Utd etc. I made the flippant observation that they "weren't the friendliest", to which he replied it was the 10,000 outside without tickets we ought to be worried about!

    I thought back to this game last season when Scott Sinclair said he found playing at The Valley intimidating......
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  • I wrote a year or so ago about my walk back to the station (alone) after the Leeds game at St Andrews. On the way to the ground I was challenged to at least two fights for the heinous act of walking to the ground and minding my own business. Definitely one of the two games with the most malevolent atmosphere that I've been to - Chelsea away the following season was the other.
  • Missed it all; in St. Helier hospital (Sutton) with a busted leg after a motorbike accident. Listened to it on the radio and kept Ward C2 (men's surgical) awake with cheering and shouting.
    ITV showed the highlights around 11.30p.m and woke them all up again. Palarse fan was 3 beds away, deep joy!
  • Went to the home game with my Dad, if I remember rightly Leeds had a goal disallowed just before Melrose's winner which I remember coming very late indeed. Being only 9 I didn't go up to Elland Road or St. Andrews although I did follow both games very closely on the radio, changing point in our future us staying up. Can you imagine us a Div 2 club in 1987 with dwindling crowds, we may have gone under, I think we just about stayed up long enough.
  • Went to St Andrews. Although we didn't know it at the time, winning that game was a turning point in CAFC history.

    Got home to Woolwich about 3:30 and watched the video highlights and loved the commentator saying at one point "No-one deserves Division 1 football more than Mervyn Day..."

    Leeds were thugs on the pitch too and Garth Crooks took a lot of battering that night. On the other hand Shirty really was lucky to be on the pitch at all after sorting out Baird - thanks ref.
  • Went to St Andrews. Although we didn't know it at the time, winning that game was a turning point in CAFC history.

    Got home to Woolwich about 3:30 and watched the video highlights and loved the commentator saying at one point "No-one deserves Division 1 football more than Mervyn Day..."

    Leeds were thugs on the pitch too and Garth Crooks took a battering that night. On the other hand Shirty really was lucky to be on the pitch at all after sorting out Baird - thanks ref.
  • As said before on another thread;
    Got back to Euston and walked back to Charing Cross via Holbourne.
    Bumped into Joanna Lumley in Aldwich, and told her all about the game;she looked bemused to say the least.

    On another point, thats why Ben Hayes (whatever happened to him) and myself organized a "10th Anniversary" do with Lennie Lawrence,Colin Walsh,Bob Bolder,Garth Crooks and the ref in Greenwich. Without them/that side we wouldn't have a club now to support.
  • Went to the home leg with a Leeds mate whose bro got the tickets - in the Leeds end of course.
    Remember it being noisy but not that intimidating - although suppressing a reaction to Melrose's goal was tough.

    Rang my Leeds mate to gloat as soon as extra time ended at St Andrews, for which he still hasn't forgiven me!
  • [quote][cite]Posted By: Big William[/cite]
    On the way to the third game at Birmingham they pulled the coaches up somewhere in the Brum suburbs and then sent us to the ground about 5 minutes before the start. We pulled up on some wasteland and had to make 500 yards across open terrain with no artillery support, or air cover, to the ground. [/quote]

    I remember that bit of wasteland - it was a good job we got there so late, all the leeds fans were in the ground by then!!

    Also remember one leeds fan in our end (who was with a couple of charlton mates) near us. He celebrated when they went one-up, but when we equalised, a number of our fans (amidst celebrations) deliberately surged into him and then he was looking round furiously, wanting to fight the one who done it, but he couldn't work out who exactly it was - probably didn't help that they managed to knock his glasses off at the time!!
  • I went to all three games and was outside the main stand at Elland Road when our team coach arrived. Leeds fans started banging on the coach while it was trying to get in the gate. You could see the shock visible on some of our players faces with the intimidating reception. Agree with others comments It was a very intimidating night.

    I was with a few of us that had tickets in the main stand and you knew to keep your mouth shut for the duration.

    We were in one of the bars after and left late so it was clear by the time we went back to London.

    After the game at Brum we sensed there might be trouble so left as soon as the game ended. We got to the car as quick as we could and just drove when we were well out of the vicinity we stopped randomly at a pub. I couldn't believe it when we got in it was full of Charlton fans, really good atmosphere.

    When we finally left and got on the motorway there was a traffic jam Charlton coaches and plenty of us in cars mixed with Leeds fans also heading back to London. It was a great night and remember my brother having no alternative but to p[ss on the central reservation as the traffic was going nowhere. The water pump in my car broke when we did get going I think it was about 3am when I eventually got home.

    The thing that has stayed with me was the utter despair when they scored their goal in the final game I looked around me and the amount of people with their heads in their hands.

    The elation when we turned it around at the death was fantastic, Leeds were gutted and silent they new it was over
  • Right. I was at Carlisle away '86 and of couse Wembley 98 but if we beat ACMilan in the European Cup Final 6-5 in three years time it'll still be the second best game I've been to.

    For our younger viewers, some context. We'd spent a season in the top division (bizarrly called Division 1, for some reason) and the influence of Channel 4's transmission of American Football had led to these wierd things called playoffs, where a season's hard work (or failure) could be transformed in a two-legged contest. Even more bizarrly, if honours were equal, rather than penalties there was a third match, at a neutral ground. My god! How did TV cope!

    And another thing. It was dark at St Andrews. OK, there were floodlights, but evening games at St Andrews did not feature heavily on Sportsnight or whatever. So you could see, of course, but it wasn't the halogen-type brtightness that we're used too now.

    And something personal. I'd spent three years at Sheffield at university. The game was held on the day of my last exam. I'd scored a lift with a Leeds fan who was head of the local Legalise Cannabis Campaign. To get there on time I left the exam 30 minutes early. Some people I'd spent three years with, that was the last I saw of them, leaving the exam room.

    The game, you know about. We were outnumbered. A little nervous, mostly, as I remember it. At the end, partly disbeleiving. We've never had enough to celebrate to learn how to do it properly and there were plenty of nervous jokes as we left about getting home, and you can sit by the window, and who can do a good northern accent.

    We'll win things again, of course. But (thankfully?) the nights like that have become things of the past, precious memories. Cannabis man and I went to a backstreet pub somewhere (of the kind that are disappearing fast, too) and he drank more than he should have and I bought them all.

    Thanks, Peter, and thanks CAFC.
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