could not make today. how did the youngsters (elliot,waggy,solly,tuna and jonjo) perform? i feel we could be seeing alot more of these next season, which i for one am very excited about
Tuna and Wagstaff had cameo appearances, but what little they had to do they did well. Elliot not tested much, but made one excellent save towards the end. Solly came on after 15 mins so we had a good opportunity to see him. Good in the tavkle, good vision,needs to bulk up as was muscled a few times,Jonjo had good first half, got a bit distracted in the 2nd half getting involved with another player for which he was booked,slightly fortunate that he did not get a 2nd yellow for running the ball in to the net after the whistle had blown- fortunately it was not Rob Styles reffing. Overall the kids looked good prospects for the future
Elliot did what he has done most of the season, a good all round performance. Solly was reliable and confident, small though. See the thread on him. Probably not one of Jonjo's very best games but he still played well. Not much time for Tuna or Wagstaff to be involved, but a few decent moments from both of them.
Still don't think Wagstaff will become a regular, but from what Parkinson has said recently about him he was probably used in the first team too early. He lost confidence and they've had to help him build it back up again.
League One should be good level to bring them through. Mambo is another Parkinson has mentioned, can see him making his debut sometime next season, even if it's not until the last few games.
[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]Elliot did what he has done most of the season, a good all round performance. Solly was reliable and confident, small though. See the thread on him. Probably not one of Jonjo's very best games but he still played well. Not much time for Tuna or Wagstaff to be involved, but a few decent moments from both of them.
Still don't think Wagstaff will become a regular, but from what Parkinson has said recently about him he was probably used in the first team too early. He lost confidence and they've had to help him build it back up again.
League One should be good level to bring them through. Mambo is another Parkinson has mentioned, can see him making his debut sometime next season, even if it's not until the last few games.
I thought Parky was referring to Josh Wright - maybe both of them I guess.
Recently he specifically gave Wagstaff as an example. He might have similar feelings about Wright. Though I thought Wright did ok, compared to Wagstaff who struggled and was a lot more nervous. Wright had experience after playing for Barnet, Wagstaff played in our first team before going out on loan which probably didn't help.
Academy striker Tamer Tuna recently made his first-team debut, but Parkinson insisted he would only throw the club's youngsters into the fray when they are ready.
Said Parkinson: "I'm not going to put youngsters in the squad as a token gesture to our supporters. I've said many times that it's important that youngsters get their chance at the right time.
"A good example of this is Scott Wagstaff. I felt he was pushed too soon, too quickly and it had a detrimental effect on his confidence. It's only in the last six weeks that we've got Scotty back to where he should be so there is a danger in throwing youngsters in too quickly if they're not ready for that environment.
"Alex Stavrinou and Jack Clark - the two second years who have been given professional contracts - aren't ready yet for first-team football. But we feel with another six months physical development they could be ready next year. Jonjo Shelvey has done it, Tamer's had a little taste but other players need longer.
"Tamer and Solly have made good strides this year as have others. Yado Mambo has been excellent and I've no doubt he's going to be a Charlton first-team player but he needs a bit longer in my eyes."
i thought elliot flapped at a a couple today dropping one early on at the norwich strikers feet that thankfully they didn't gobble up and he seems to be beaten too easily by free kicks outside the area imo he is just a basic keeper who wont win us many games and has a great heart but very limited ability wise
Solly looked a little slight but i thought he competed reasonably but to tell the truth i didn't really notice him much
wagstaff had a couple of great chances to break through and thru lack of pace or ability let the norwich players catch up with him but seems to have bulked up a bit
tamer tuna again looks full of enthusiam but not too easy to say
jonjo , not great by his high standards prolly needs a good break.... off to the european u-17 champonships now
only jonjo looks like he has the ability to play championship or better at the moment .... but i am a pessimist (who is right most of the time ;-)
I know what you mean about Elliot. He's never looked like a great shot stopper to me, but a decent all round keeper. Kicking and throwing is decent, comes out his area if he needs to clear etc.
[cite]Posted By: oohaahmortimer[/cite]only jonjo looks like he has the ability to play championship or better at the moment .... but i am a pessimist (who is right most of the time ;-)
That's the key bit there, at the moment. Solly could be in the future. Don't rate Wagstaff myself, not seen enough of Tuna but we'll see.
Jonjo is a rare young player that comes through and is good enough for regular football at 16/17. The rest of the youth players that do make it soemtimes aren't regulars until 19/20/21. Look at Lloyd Sam, took him until he was about 22 before he got more games.
how old is lloyd sam , i'm liking his recent work and i think(hope) next year will be a big year for him as a player for us , my outside tip for the coveted player of the year next season!!
[cite]Posted By: oohaahmortimer[/cite]how old is lloyd sam , i'm liking his recent work and i think(hope) next year will be a big year for him as a player for us , my outside tip for the coveted player of the year next season!!
Tuna will not be good enough - his touch and vision are just not what is required of a professional footballer. Has anybody also noticed that since Parky became manager, Basey has virtually disappeared. Not a terrible player but FAR too slow to play professional football regularly for Charlton.
[cite]Posted By: supaclive[/cite]Tuna will not be good enough - his touch and vision are just not what is required of a professional footballer. Has anybody also noticed that since Parky became manager, Basey has virtually disappeared. Not a terrible player but FAR too slow to play professional football regularly for Charlton.
Rubbish on Tuna. How many minutes has he been on the pitch ffs.
Agree about Basey although I heard he may be injured.
We can agree to disagree. You don't need to spend a lot of time to be on the pitch to know if somebody is going to be a footballer or not. He isn't. I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong.
Poor old Tuna, doomed before he even gets a chance. All I'd really noticed in his few minutes on the pitch is that he is constantly checking the position of other players, in sharp contrast to Butterfield, who only looks at the ball and in a crowded area has got no idea what's going on behind him. Wagstaff put on a very pacey run through the middle and outran the 2 Norwich players. I really enjoyed watching them yesterday and they lifted my doom and gloom. Have no idea what their futures will be, but it seemed to give everyone around me a good old Charlton feeling.
[cite]Posted By: supaclive[/cite]We can agree to disagree. You don't need to spend a lot of time to be on the pitch to know if somebody is going to be a footballer or not. He isn't. I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong.
Good lets disagree. In the very brief time he has been on the pitch I have seen some very good runs (the Lloyd Sam early pass that didnt happen comes to mind), good first touch and an awareness about him. Yes hes raw and maybe will be a sub more than a starter but I think he has the potential to be very useful player.
But I dont rate Basey. So we can agree on that one.
We can agree to disagree. You don't need to spend a lot of time to be on the pitch to know if somebody is going to be a footballer or not. He isn't. I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong......supaclive
Well I have known the lad since he was a dot, and he has been with Charlton since 7, he would be the first to say he is not the finished article, or is he trying to claim he is.
My observations are based ( admittedly biased) on training with him. playing football with him, and seeing him play football against Arsenal and others.
Come on give the kid a chance mate! How many minutes has he actually played!.
Pre season he scored in the freindlies albeit against weaker sides....... Who is it you are comparing him to Wayne Rooney!. Of course you are entitlted to your opinion, fair enough, but with the exception of yesterdays performance when was the last time you were happy with a Charlton's strikers performance!.... where are all these great strikers been hiding!.
What really is the alternative but to play a combination of young academy players with a blend of seasoned pros! in the third tier. They are the future IMO, but whoever we play lets not write anybody off after less than half an hour!
Got to agree with Ken and others, how can you pan a player who is 16/17 and played no more that 20 minutes football as a sub in front of you i just don't know!!
There is no way you can judge the boy on just 2 sub appearances, especially as he is only very young and fresh. I made that mistake with Parker, thought he was total gash, would never make it as a pro!! Was just a bit wrong wasn't i!??!
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]Basey is injured. Tuna has had a few cameos. Solly looked good in a game with no pressure.
Let's not build them up too much or trash them on a few games/minutes.
Just be happy that we may have some good kids coming through our system.
Tuna like Henry said has not had long enough on the pitch for a real assessment but I must say I think he does make intelligent runs. Solly I thought was impressive. Looks to overlap at every oportunity which is what a modern full back should be all about.I am a little concerned about his size though. Wagstaff when he came on looked up for it and I thought looked better than when I saw him before. Jonjo ......Well what can you say. Must be recognised that Norwich were woeful but I saw enough yesterday to give me optomism for all of our youngsters on view yesterday.
[cite]Posted By: supaclive[/cite]Tuna will not be good enough - his touch and vision are just not what is required of a professional footballer. Has anybody also noticed that since Parky became manager, Basey has virtually disappeared. Not a terrible player but FAR too slow to play professional football regularly for Charlton.
[cite]Posted By: supaclive[/cite]We can agree to disagree. You don't need to spend a lot of time to be on the pitch to know if somebody is going to be a footballer or not. He isn't. I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong.
Everyone likes to think they can judge a player after a game or two, but come on he's played 30 minutes at the most for our first team.
He's still only a bit older than Shelvey. This isn't a 19/20 year old that's been playing for our reserves for 3/4 years. Still time for him to develop a lot.
Out of interest how do you rate Wagstaff? I haven't been impressed, but that's based on pre-season and a few other games in the first team, not half an hour. Doesn't mean I'll completely write him off just yet.
He's clearly no Shelvey, but then again none of the others are. Dickson doesn't have a particularly good first touch and barely has any vision, but he's a pro footballer, and I'm sure there's plenty more examples of similar players.
Solly looks tiny, but a sensible defender. God knows we need some of them. Was impressed and if he grows a bit, will be a great prospect.
I thought Waggy looked much more confident this time round. Didn't hold out much hope after the Yeovil game, but he might make it.
It would be very harsh to write off Tuna so early. He's only just turned 17. Seems bright, makes good runs and wants the ball from what I've seen. Maybe not ready for the first team yet, but none the less promising.
With Elliot, Solly, Basey, Mambo, Waggy, Wright, Shelvey, Tuna and Yusseff we have a good crop of kids that promise much for the future, with the right management.
I thought it was a great debut by Solly.
He didn't appear to show any sign of nerves and wasn't afraid to get stuck in.
Even more impressive if, as people say, he wasn't playing his preferred position.
Share the concern about his size, but if he is a strong character it shouldn't hold him back.
I also like the look of Tuna, but as others have said, it is too early to make a definitive judgement an either of them.
It would be very harsh to write off Tuna so early. He's only just turned 17. Seems bright, makes good runs and wants the ball from what I've seen. Maybe not ready for the first team yet, but none the less promising.
With Elliot, Solly, Basey, Mambo, Waggy, Wright, Shelvey, Tuna and Yusseff we have a good crop of kids that promise much for the future, with the right management.
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You can add Randolph to that list too...
It's worth bearing in mind that the few matches that they have played have often been against not just better teams but seasoned pros, we shouldn't expect man-of-the-match performances. A few years back the complaint was that we didn't give the youth/reserve team players enough chances before discarding them, next season we are going to have to rely on these players through necessity. One or two won't make the grade, while a couple will. Take Tuna for example, at the beginning of the season you wouldn't have expected him to get anywhere near the first team and all this is probably a bit too early for him but he's going to get the chance to make a name for himself, it'll be up to him and the others to take the chance.
Not necessarily as a full back but his passing is very good and he reminds me of a holding midfielder at Aston Villa with the same initials! Also not very quick......
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Still don't think Wagstaff will become a regular, but from what Parkinson has said recently about him he was probably used in the first team too early. He lost confidence and they've had to help him build it back up again.
League One should be good level to bring them through. Mambo is another Parkinson has mentioned, can see him making his debut sometime next season, even if it's not until the last few games.
Solly looked a little slight but i thought he competed reasonably but to tell the truth i didn't really notice him much
wagstaff had a couple of great chances to break through and thru lack of pace or ability let the norwich players catch up with him but seems to have bulked up a bit
tamer tuna again looks full of enthusiam but not too easy to say
jonjo , not great by his high standards prolly needs a good break.... off to the european u-17 champonships now
only jonjo looks like he has the ability to play championship or better at the moment .... but i am a pessimist (who is right most of the time ;-)
That's the key bit there, at the moment. Solly could be in the future. Don't rate Wagstaff myself, not seen enough of Tuna but we'll see.
Jonjo is a rare young player that comes through and is good enough for regular football at 16/17. The rest of the youth players that do make it soemtimes aren't regulars until 19/20/21. Look at Lloyd Sam, took him until he was about 22 before he got more games.
i think the keeper finger tipped that onto the bar although a goal kick was given
i like the optimistic, enthusiastic oohaah. ;0)
Rubbish on Tuna. How many minutes has he been on the pitch ffs.
Agree about Basey although I heard he may be injured.
Good lets disagree. In the very brief time he has been on the pitch I have seen some very good runs (the Lloyd Sam early pass that didnt happen comes to mind), good first touch and an awareness about him. Yes hes raw and maybe will be a sub more than a starter but I think he has the potential to be very useful player.
But I dont rate Basey. So we can agree on that one.
how sh*t were norwich?
they made youga look like socrates at times.
Well I have known the lad since he was a dot, and he has been with Charlton since 7, he would be the first to say he is not the finished article, or is he trying to claim he is.
My observations are based ( admittedly biased) on training with him. playing football with him, and seeing him play football against Arsenal and others.
Come on give the kid a chance mate! How many minutes has he actually played!.
Pre season he scored in the freindlies albeit against weaker sides....... Who is it you are comparing him to Wayne Rooney!. Of course you are entitlted to your opinion, fair enough, but with the exception of yesterdays performance when was the last time you were happy with a Charlton's strikers performance!.... where are all these great strikers been hiding!.
What really is the alternative but to play a combination of young academy players with a blend of seasoned pros! in the third tier. They are the future IMO, but whoever we play lets not write anybody off after less than half an hour!
There is no way you can judge the boy on just 2 sub appearances, especially as he is only very young and fresh. I made that mistake with Parker, thought he was total gash, would never make it as a pro!! Was just a bit wrong wasn't i!??!
Give the lad a chance.
Let's not build them up too much or trash them on a few games/minutes.
Just be happy that we may have some good kids coming through our system.
Tuna like Henry said has not had long enough on the pitch for a real assessment but I must say I think he does make intelligent runs. Solly I thought was impressive. Looks to overlap at every oportunity which is what a modern full back should be all about.I am a little concerned about his size though. Wagstaff when he came on looked up for it and I thought looked better than when I saw him before. Jonjo ......Well what can you say. Must be recognised that Norwich were woeful but I saw enough yesterday to give me optomism for all of our youngsters on view yesterday.
Everyone likes to think they can judge a player after a game or two, but come on he's played 30 minutes at the most for our first team.
He's still only a bit older than Shelvey. This isn't a 19/20 year old that's been playing for our reserves for 3/4 years. Still time for him to develop a lot.
Out of interest how do you rate Wagstaff? I haven't been impressed, but that's based on pre-season and a few other games in the first team, not half an hour. Doesn't mean I'll completely write him off just yet.
He's clearly no Shelvey, but then again none of the others are. Dickson doesn't have a particularly good first touch and barely has any vision, but he's a pro footballer, and I'm sure there's plenty more examples of similar players.
I thought Waggy looked much more confident this time round. Didn't hold out much hope after the Yeovil game, but he might make it.
It would be very harsh to write off Tuna so early. He's only just turned 17. Seems bright, makes good runs and wants the ball from what I've seen. Maybe not ready for the first team yet, but none the less promising.
With Elliot, Solly, Basey, Mambo, Waggy, Wright, Shelvey, Tuna and Yusseff we have a good crop of kids that promise much for the future, with the right management.
He didn't appear to show any sign of nerves and wasn't afraid to get stuck in.
Even more impressive if, as people say, he wasn't playing his preferred position.
Share the concern about his size, but if he is a strong character it shouldn't hold him back.
I also like the look of Tuna, but as others have said, it is too early to make a definitive judgement an either of them.
With Elliot, Solly, Basey, Mambo, Waggy, Wright, Shelvey, Tuna and Yusseff we have a good crop of kids that promise much for the future, with the right management.
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You can add Randolph to that list too...
It's worth bearing in mind that the few matches that they have played have often been against not just better teams but seasoned pros, we shouldn't expect man-of-the-match performances. A few years back the complaint was that we didn't give the youth/reserve team players enough chances before discarding them, next season we are going to have to rely on these players through necessity. One or two won't make the grade, while a couple will. Take Tuna for example, at the beginning of the season you wouldn't have expected him to get anywhere near the first team and all this is probably a bit too early for him but he's going to get the chance to make a name for himself, it'll be up to him and the others to take the chance.
Not necessarily as a full back but his passing is very good and he reminds me of a holding midfielder at Aston Villa with the same initials! Also not very quick......