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Play Kandol at centre half

edited April 2009 in General Charlton
Did you see how many headers he won in our own box yesterday - defending corners and free-kicks?....

Dickson summed himself up yesterday with that great little movement that left two centre halves lost but the ball over the top was just a little too long and then the next moment he couldn't be arsed to chase down the centre halves when he should have been pressurising them - so infuriating.

Defensively we were solid, but Butterballs is Soooooooooooooo slow - however, his best game for us to date. Midfield has a good balance, but Sam had a terrible first half and got better in the second half - what Ambrose came on for - I have no idea - he nearly gave them a goal with a terrible first touch which lost possession in the middle of the park.

Considering we had to win yesterday and we HAVE to win on Monday - may as well play Kandol and Dickson in a 4-4-2 and try and win. Shelvey had a good game, but his first touch let him down on a few occassions. We were the better team though, so god knows how we are bottom and they are 2nd ....

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  • Personally I'd rather not play Kandol at all but when you consider the other options we don't have much choice.

    Remember when Bartlett used to win headers defensively and some people would say 'yeah but he's there's to score goals'. How i would love to have him now. Big difference though is Bartlett won headers up front as well and didn't appear like a lazy sod.
  • [cite]Posted By: supaclive[/cite]Shelvey had a good game, but his first touch let him down on a few occassions.

    I noticed that, but there are other times in which his touch is better than most other players on the pitch.
  • Kandol at Centre Half? Was not the same topic mentioned about a certain Mr Leaburn 15/20 years ago.

    Daft idea, but i even thought that he was getting some vital headers back there. Not his main priority though for the team.
  • [cite]Posted By: supaclive[/cite]Considering we had to win yesterday and we HAVE to win on Monday



    Why exactly?
  • The games I have seen Kandol play for us he has been very average (Preston, Southampton and Birmingham). Then again Dickson and Burton are no better in front of goal so we might as well stick with him until the end of this season.
  • Amazed that anyone could accuse Kandol of being "lazy". Not great first touch with his feet or not fast, fair enough but he works and works and works.

    And just like at Southampton most of the good things came thru him ie the flick for Ward's "goal", the lofted pass to Sam that lead to ZZ shot that was somehow blocked, His own 9.2 dive on the edge of the box : - ).
    He made some mistakes but then he didn't always have the movement in front of him to make a pass but he's not "lazy"

    Limited perhaps but a willing worker and as said a great defender as well. How many times have people cried out for honest, 100% players. Well, that is Kandol.

    Would I have Barlett instead? Every time but then again he was an international and premiership player in one of our best teams of recent years who also worked his socks off every game and who was also very under rated at the time.
  • I don't agree with the 100% player, maybe i'm wrong to do this but i was thinking how Darren Bent used to play on own his up top yesterday, he'd sprint across the back four making life really difficult for them, when Kandol does it it's more like a jog. He looks greedy to me, instead of playing a first time simple pass to a player in a good position he'll take a few touches and generally slow play down.
    Also if a team mate misplaces a pass Kandol's nearly always moaning, some people might like that but personally i prefer seeing them encourage each other than do that.
    He's obviously gonna split opinions, i don't like him, but as i said before the replacements are worse so he'd still be in my side at the mo.
  • I personally felt Kandol played his worse game for us yesterday he drifted back to collect the ball to realise he is the lone striker and is meant to be the one recieving the ball he trys to play a hard ball and loses it he time wasted so often and lost control he wasnt in the game mentally.

    Buttlerfield is another who just doesnt think he lumps it forward on so many occasions to noone lacking physically he brought pressure onto the defence but i do admit he made some crunching tackles.

    Personally I think Bailey is wasting himself on the left he likes to get stuck in win the ball on the floor or the air open space and play or shoot in a winger position he is limited he be better of as a striker to add to his tally with maybe Racon or Shelvey being his partner we have a solid deep midfield could leave our so called strikeforce out of the line up all together.

    Sam had a great second half using his pace and footwork sadly his final ball cross let him down but with noone to pick out in the box half the time i dont blame him for cutting inside and shooting.

    I have been critical of Youga a lot recently but what i thought he was class against Birmingham.

    I'd like to see something like this:

    GK - Elliot
    DR - Moutaoukil
    DL - Youga
    DC - Ward
    DC - Hudson
    MR - Sam
    ML - Basey
    MC - Zhi
    MC - Racon
    FC - Shelvey
    FC - Bailey

    S1 - Randolph
    S2 - Solly or Thomas
    S3 - Holland or Spring
    S4 - Wagstaff or Arter
    S5 - Dickson or Burton
  • edited April 2009
    [cite]Posted By: Talal[/cite]I don't agree with the 100% player, maybe i'm wrong to do this but i was thinking how Darren Bent used to play on own his up top yesterday, he'd sprint across the back four making life really difficult for them, when Kandol does it it's more like a jog. He looks greedy to me, instead of playing a first time simple pass to a player in a good position he'll take a few touches and generally slow play down.
    Also if a team mate misplaces a pass Kandol's nearly always moaning, some people might like that but personally i prefer seeing them encourage each other than do that.
    He's obviously gonna split opinions, i don't like him, but as i said before the replacements are worse so he'd still be in my side at the mo.

    Bent is a much better player, no doubt, and had the pace to close people down. Kandol doesn't have Darren's pace or skill.

    Again the extra touches are lack of skill not effort IMHO.

    I'd also say that he was up against a good defence yesterday. Brum held Wolves (one of the top scoring sides in the division) on Monday with 10 men.

    Not saying Kandol is a great player just that he has a good work ethic.
  • Of course Kandol is not as quick or skillful as Bent, i wasn't really trying to say that. I'm just certain that he could go up a gear or 2 as i don't think he often looks like he's sprinting.
    Anyway happy to agree to disagree! Strangely enough though I wouldn't really be unhappy if he signed, as next season in that league he could well be a 15-20 goal striker.
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  • [cite]Posted By: AddickRam[/cite]I'd like to see something like this:

    GK - Elliot
    DR - Moutaoukil
    DL - Youga
    DC - Ward
    DC - Hudson
    MR - Sam
    ML - Basey
    MC - Zhi
    MC - Racon
    FC - Shelvey
    FC - Bailey

    S1 - Randolph
    S2 - Solly or Thomas
    S3 - Holland or Spring
    S4 - Wagstaff or Arter
    S5 - Dickson or Burton

    I can see what you're saying, but we need someone up there that has a chance of winning headers and can hold up the ball.
  • He's no world-beater - hence the fact that Leeds have been happy for him to be out on loan all season - but has he been any less effective than those we have spent comparatively big money on (Gray, Varney, McLeod et al) in the last couple of years?

    In fact, Mendonca, D Bent (and maybe Di Canio) aside, have we had a striker in the last 10 years or so who hasn't divided opinions?

    I think he's probably your typical lower division centre forward, in that he can look pretty good one minute and pretty poor the next. If he was any better than that, he wouldn't be on loan to us.

    If he's here next year, then we can probably expect more of the same - but then that can more than likely be said of any forward on our books come August.
  • All good points. He's pretty average, but has had some good games. Certainly not done any worse than any other striker this season.

    That's the thing, if he consistently played to the best of his ability, Leeds would be using him now. He does seem to be another inconsistent player, but that's exactly why he was made available in the first place.
  • edited April 2009
    To be fair, the lone forward is a difficult role to play.

    Typical scenario: you are up there on your own, no immediate support, when the ball is hoofed from defence.
    You've got your back to goal, and 2 great lumps of centre backs are all over you facing the ball, with another defender 10 yards inside covering. There's a 20 yard gap between you and your nearest team mate.

    And then some people are on your back straightaway, if you don't bring this high ball down dead and move with one touch, wrong foot both defenders, ride the next tackle and chip the keeper from outside the box. No wonder people think Kandol's rubbish.
  • There's a 20 yard gap between you and your nearest team mate.

    .................



    Ultimately the reason why we are playing 4-5-1 is because neither Dickson/Burton are going to score enough goals to justify playing two strikers, therefore Parky is playing to strengths by getting five midfielders on the pitch, and right now our midfield is the strongest element in our squad.
  • edited April 2009
    [cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite]There's a 20 yard gap between you and your nearest team mate.

    .................



    Ultimately the reason why we are playing 4-5-1 is because neither Dickson/Burton are going to score enough goals to justify playing two strikers, therefore Parky is playing to strengths by getting five midfielders on the pitch, and right now our midfield is the strongest element in our squad.

    I agree with you 100%, BFR.

    I was simply trying to illustrate what a difficult task a lone forward frequently faces.

    In Kandol's case, he's been used to playing as part of a striking pair - and playing the lone role is perhaps more difficult for him and not one he's naturally suited to.


    Compared to earlier in the season, Charlton have proved generally difficult to beat in the last 10 games - due to a hard working midfield 5, with a decent quality passing game, flair and goals.

    Parky's hardly going to weaken that quality engine room of the team, to accomodate the luxury of another striker - except as a tactical ploy late in the game.
  • Kandol is what he is - a lower-division striker of limited ability, surplus to requirments at Leeds and so loaned out first to Millwall and then to us.

    May be he is a trier,but he certainly doesn't look the sort of player who will run through the proverbial brick wall in the cause (and why should he as a loanee?)

    I'm not going to slag him because he's no better or worse than his CV would suggest. An average player doing an average job to the best of his average abilities.

    Marginally better than Burton, whom I stll have absolutely no idea why we bought.
  • Marginally better than Burton, whom I stll have absolutely no idea why we bought.

    ..........

    He was a free transfer, but bear in mind that we'd just sold Luke Varney, needed a forward and yet had no money for one, even average strikers cost money. That Burton was a free and Kandol an unwanted loanee demonstrates how far we've fallen in the last two seasons.
  • [cite]Posted By: Stu of HU16[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: supaclive[/cite]Considering we had to win yesterday and we HAVE to win on Monday



    Why exactly?

    Because however you lot think it we are not relegated YET!
  • Correct, wait until tomorrow !
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  • [cite]Posted By: Dazzler21[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Stu of HU16[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: supaclive[/cite]Considering we had to win yesterday and we HAVE to win on Monday



    Why exactly?

    Because however you lot think it we are not relegated YET!

    which is why Parky should have gone two up top at least fifteen minutes earlier. I'd have rather we'd lost whilst gambling to win rather than settle for a point which was of no use at all.
  • [cite]Posted By: nigel w[/cite]Marginally better than Burton, whom I stll have absolutely no idea why we bought.

    As a goalscorer yes, overall as a footballer I'd say Burton's better. Much better touch and probably the more intelligent of the two.
  • [quote][cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: Dazzler21[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: Stu of HU16[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: supaclive[/cite]Considering we had to win yesterday and we HAVE to win on Monday[/quote]



    Why exactly?[/quote]

    Because however you lot think it we are not relegated YET![/quote]

    which is why Parky should have gone two up top at least fifteen minutes earlier. I'd have rather we'd lost whilst gambling to win rather than settle for a point which was of no use at all.[/quote]

    EXACTLY!
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