Despite announcing losses of £11.5million for the financial year up to June 2008, Murray insisted the club would not go into administration even if they were relegated to League One.
“We, as a board of directors, will not let the club go into administration,” he said.
“We care too much about Charlton to let that happen. But we need to remain positive, relegation is not inevitable. We will fight until the very end.”
[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]And I hope people look at this as well:
Despite announcing losses of £11.5million for the financial year up to June 2008, Murray insisted the club would not go into administration even if they were relegated to League One.
“We, as a board of directors, will not let the club go into administration,” he said.
“We care too much about Charlton to let that happen. But we need to remain positive, relegation is not inevitable. We will fight until the very end.”
but that doesn't fit what I want to believe so it must be "SPIN". Not going to give any counter arguements but if I say it's spin then it doesn't count anymore. : - )
NLA, to be fair Murray and the board have made plenty of mistakes, mainly backing the managers too much financially IMHO, but they have never really hidden away. Richard was at Bromley and CIty Addicks, Chappell was at Bromley last month with Waggott and they will all take questions at the AGM
[cite]Posted By: charlton_carl[/cite]Easy to blame Pardew. He states "many of the players were big risks" surley down to you and the board not to sanction the bloody sigining.
For example signing two left sided midfielders in a space of a week
And when Pardew complained in the summer that he wasn't being allowed to pick his own team due to financial restraints on his spending people backed him and told the board to stop interfering.
I love the comment on him saying they won't allow the club to go into administration. As much as I've hated this season and I'm so down about it, the confirmation of that makes me much happier. I know people have stated he said that before but it's the first time I've seen it quoted.
[cite]Posted By: Screamer[/cite]I love the comment on him saying they won't allow the club to go into administration. As much as I've hated this season and I'm so down about it, the confirmation of that makes me much happier. I know people have stated he said that before but it's the first time I've seen it quoted.
Mr Chappell was adament at the Bromley meeting before christmas, that this club would not go into any more debt.
Murray added that he hoped to get in “four or five players” to aid Charlton’s fight against relegation, and said former boss Pardew must shoulder much of the blame for their current situation.
“With Alan, all the player purchases were down to him and probably that has been our biggest failing as many of the players that were brought in were big risks,” Murray said.
wss from the article. not in quotes i admit.
i think there should be an appology to say hey we made mistakes sometimes when people own up to mistakes other people might say fair enough.
[cite]Posted By: Screamer[/cite]I love the comment on him saying they won't allow the club to go into administration. As much as I've hated this season and I'm so down about it, the confirmation of that makes me much happier. I know people have stated he said that before but it's the first time I've seen it quoted.
Mr Chappell was adament at the Bromley meeting before christmas, that this club would not go into any more debt.
Those are two very different things - we may have to go into more debt in order not to go into administration, as from my reading of the annual report figures, we are TRADING at a loss. Cashflow will be the killer, unless the directors are prepared to put their hands in their pockets once more.
"If you look at our recent performances, I have seen a huge improvement and we could have won almost all of the games that Phil has been in charge of.”
I'm sorry Richard but that just isn't true. There has been a slight improvement and we could have won two, at most three, of the games Parky has been in charge of. But we havn't because we can't finish properly or defend properly and that hasn't improved under Parky one iota.
[cite]Posted By: Screamer[/cite]I love the comment on him saying they won't allow the club to go into administration. As much as I've hated this season and I'm so down about it, the confirmation of that makes me much happier. I know people have stated he said that before but it's the first time I've seen it quoted.
Mr Chappell was adament at the Bromley meeting before christmas, that this club would not go into any more debt.
Those are two very different things - we may have to go into more debt in order not to go into administration, as from my reading of the annual report figures, we are TRADING at a loss. Cashflow will be the killer, unless the directors are prepared to put their hands in their pockets once more.
Those were the figures up to June 2008 so not current trading figures but last years.
don't know if we are trading at a loss this year. Maybe as crowds will be down from expectation but the playing side was cut and money raised from sales eg Bougherra. Shifting ZZ and Ambrose may have a big impact on if we are on target or not IMHO.
Said before myself Pardew signed too many players that had potential, turned out most of them were/are inconsistent and don't seem to be able to handle the pressure of a struggling team.
The board trusted him and instead of trying to build a smaller, but solid squad, like Parkinson is now trying to do (and will try to do if he's here in the summer), Pardew signed far too many players, most of them ones that might be good.
“With Alan, all the player purchases were down to him and probably that has been our biggest failing as many of the players that were brought in were big risks,” Murray said.
Glad he made a statement. I would however wish to ask to why the board structures were not sufficently rigorous to prevent Pards spending freely on 'big risks'. Why did it not learn from the Dowie mistakes?
Murray added that he hoped to get in “four or five players” to fully aid Charlton’s fight against relegation, and said former boss Pardew must shoulder much of the blame for their current situation.
“With Alan, all the player purchases were down to him and probably that has been our biggest failing as many of the players that were brought in were big risks,” Murray said.
I am disappointed in Richard Murray’s comment regarding Pardew. Pardews is to easy a target to start slagging off now, we all know he is mainly to blame for the current problem but who granted him the unquestionable power in the first place. As mentioned by someone else already on this thread.
I would reiterate that RM should have monitored and questioned the signing of any player and if that is not his role then why wasn't someone appointed to audit signings?
To plead the 3 monkey's is either naive or a lack of responsibility.
[cite]Posted By: stilladdicted[/cite]Glad he made a statement. I would however wish to ask to why the board structures were not sufficently rigorous to prevent Pards spending freely on 'big risks'. Why did it not learn from the Dowie mistakes?
Who's meant to be the football expert? Pardew or the Board? How many times have you seen managers walk out on a club complaining about the Board interfering in picking the team etc.
The first one he answerd why did you employ Parky and his reasonings not that i agree with his answer i would rather he admited that altough they did say results had to change as well as performances
and one of the latter ones with regards to the finances of the club should we go down the bit about not going into administration was what i was aiming at
[cite]Posted By: StrikerFirmani[/cite]Murray added that he hoped to get in “four or five players” to fully aid Charlton’s fight against relegation, and said former boss Pardew must shoulder much of the blame for their current situation.
“With Alan, all the player purchases were down to him and probably that has been our biggest failing as many of the players that were brought in were big risks,” Murray said.
I am disappointed in Richard Murray’s comment regarding Pardew. Pardews is to easy a target to start slagging off now, we all know he is mainly to blame for the current problem but who granted him the unquestionable power in the first place. As mentioned by someone else already on this thread.
I would reiterate that RM should have monitored and questioned the signing of any player and if that is not his role then why wasn't someone appointed to audit signings?
To plead the 3 monkey's is either naive or a lack of responsibility.
On the other hand somebody who has walked away with £1.5 million for crass incompetence should perhaps accept some responsibility?
Big wages equals responsibility and accountability in every other walk of life supposedly and he (Pardew) was supposedly the football "expert" in the Company.
[cite]Posted By: StrikerFirmani[/cite]Murray added that he hoped to get in “four or five players” to fully aid Charlton’s fight against relegation, and said former boss Pardew must shoulder much of the blame for their current situation.
“With Alan, all the player purchases were down to him and probably that has been our biggest failing as many of the players that were brought in were big risks,” Murray said.
I am disappointed in Richard Murray’s comment regarding Pardew. Pardews is to easy a target to start slagging off now, we all know he is mainly to blame for the current problem but who granted him the unquestionable power in the first place. As mentioned by someone else already on this thread.
I would reiterate that RM should have monitored and questioned the signing of any player and if that is not his role then why wasn't someone appointed to audit signings?
To plead the 3 monkey's is either naive or a lack of responsibility.
I agree up to a point Lord Copper but if Murray had said, for example, "
Murray "£35k for a non-league striker from Dulwich? My mate's seen him play and doesn't rate him Pards. No, not giving you the dosh for that".
Pardew "He's a natural goal scorer and we can sell him for a profit even if he's not good enough for the premier league".
Murray "No, we don't need him, you're not signing him. End of"
Pards "Am I the manager or not. What do you know about players. You're just a fan with a bit of spare cash. How are you qualified to say who we should buy. You gave me a budget and I'm spending it. You appointed me, the fans love me and you've got to trust my judgement".
Who's right and who's wrong.
NB This is a fictional conversation and in no way attempts to portray any real conversation.
[cite]Posted By: StrikerFirmani[/cite]Murray added that he hoped to get in “four or five players” to fully aid Charlton’s fight against relegation, and said former boss Pardew must shoulder much of the blame for their current situation.
“With Alan, all the player purchases were down to him and probably that has been our biggest failing as many of the players that were brought in were big risks,” Murray said.
I am disappointed in Richard Murray’s comment regarding Pardew. Pardews is to easy a target to start slagging off now, we all know he is mainly to blame for the current problem but who granted him the unquestionable power in the first place. As mentioned by someone else already on this thread.
I would reiterate that RM should have monitored and questioned the signing of any player and if that is not his role then why wasn't someone appointed to audit signings?
To plead the 3 monkey's is either naive or a lack of responsibility.
On the other hand somebody who has walked away with £1.5 million for crass incompetence should perhaps accept some responsibility?
Big wages equals responsibility and accountability in every other walk of life supposedly and he (Pardew) was supposedly the football "expert" in the Company.
Yes he was meant to be the football "expert" wasn't he.
[cite]Posted By: StrikerFirmani[/cite]Murray added that he hoped to get in “four or five players” to fully aid Charlton’s fight against relegation, and said former boss Pardew must shoulder much of the blame for their current situation.
“With Alan, all the player purchases were down to him and probably that has been our biggest failing as many of the players that were brought in were big risks,” Murray said.
I am disappointed in Richard Murray’s comment regarding Pardew. Pardews is to easy a target to start slagging off now, we all know he is mainly to blame for the current problem but who granted him the unquestionable power in the first place. As mentioned by someone else already on this thread.
I would reiterate that RM should have monitored and questioned the signing of any player and if that is not his role then why wasn't someone appointed to audit signings?
To plead the 3 monkey's is either naive or a lack of responsibility.
On the other hand somebody who has walked away with £1.5 million for crass incompetence should perhaps accept some responsibility?
Big wages equals responsibility and accountability in every other walk of life supposedly and he (Pardew) was supposedly the football "expert" in the Company.
Len As I previously mentioned we all know Pardew is to blame for the current problems and I take your point he would have been the so called expert footy guy but if you are stating " Many of the players were big risk" Then you take some of the blame because you are either sanctioning them or you oppose it as one risk to many.
It isn't as though RM had not previous experience of money being spent badly before (Dowie ring a bell).
[cite]Posted By: StrikerFirmani[/cite]Murray added that he hoped to get in “four or five players” to fully aid Charlton’s fight against relegation, and said former boss Pardew must shoulder much of the blame for their current situation.
“With Alan, all the player purchases were down to him and probably that has been our biggest failing as many of the players that were brought in were big risks,” Murray said.
I am disappointed in Richard Murray’s comment regarding Pardew. Pardews is to easy a target to start slagging off now, we all know he is mainly to blame for the current problem but who granted him the unquestionable power in the first place. As mentioned by someone else already on this thread.
I would reiterate that RM should have monitored and questioned the signing of any player and if that is not his role then why wasn't someone appointed to audit signings?
To plead the 3 monkey's is either naive or a lack of responsibility.
I agree up to a point Lord Copper but if Murray had said, for example, "
Murray "£35k for a non-league striker from Dulwich? My mate's seen him play and doesn't rate him Pards. No, not giving you the dosh for that".
Pardew "He's a natural goal scorer and we can sell him for a profit even if he's not good enough for the premier league".
Murray "No, we don't need him, you're not signing him. End of"
Pards "Am I the manager or not. What do you know about players. You're just a fan with a bit of spare cash. How are you qualified to say who we should buy. You gave me a budget and I'm spending it. You appointed me, the fans love me and you've got to trust my judgement".
Who's right and who's wrong.
NB This is a fictional conversation and in no way attempts to portray any real conversation.
Henry my point is you accept some of the blame you don't cast it all on the guy you appointed and then let loose with the company purse strings.
[cite]Posted By: StrikerFirmani[/cite]Murray added that he hoped to get in “four or five players” to fully aid Charlton’s fight against relegation, and said former boss Pardew must shoulder much of the blame for their current situation.
“With Alan, all the player purchases were down to him and probably that has been our biggest failing as many of the players that were brought in were big risks,” Murray said.
I am disappointed in Richard Murray’s comment regarding Pardew. Pardews is to easy a target to start slagging off now, we all know he is mainly to blame for the current problem but who granted him the unquestionable power in the first place. As mentioned by someone else already on this thread.
I would reiterate that RM should have monitored and questioned the signing of any player and if that is not his role then why wasn't someone appointed to audit signings?
To plead the 3 monkey's is either naive or a lack of responsibility.
On the other hand somebody who has walked away with £1.5 million for crass incompetence should perhaps accept some responsibility?
Big wages equals responsibility and accountability in every other walk of life supposedly and he (Pardew) was supposedly the football "expert" in the Company.
Len As I previously mentioned we all know Pardew is to blame for the current problems and I take your point he would have been the so called expert footy guy but if you are stating " Many of the players were big risk" Then you take some of the blame because you are either sanctioning them or you oppose it as one risk to many.
It isn't as though RM had not previous experience of money being spent badly before (Dowie ring a bell).
I think Murray got it wrong and as Harry Truman famously had written on his desk the buck stops here.
However Chaimen of PLCs appoint and headhunt experts in their fields to do a job. I think all Murray is saying is that HIS expert came up short which is a statement of fact and something he is entitled to say having just given the incompetent cretin £1.5 million for nothing!
Being the boss Murray has to accept som blame but it's all retrospect and kind of a no win situation.
Nobody thought Pards was a bad choice when we got him and if Murray had not backed Pards with the players he wanted then we would be moaning he was to blame for not supporting him.
[cite]Posted By: StrikerFirmani[/cite]Murray added that he hoped to get in “four or five players” to fully aid Charlton’s fight against relegation, and said former boss Pardew must shoulder much of the blame for their current situation.
“With Alan, all the player purchases were down to him and probably that has been our biggest failing as many of the players that were brought in were big risks,” Murray said.
I am disappointed in Richard Murray’s comment regarding Pardew. Pardews is to easy a target to start slagging off now, we all know he is mainly to blame for the current problem but who granted him the unquestionable power in the first place. As mentioned by someone else already on this thread.
I would reiterate that RM should have monitored and questioned the signing of any player and if that is not his role then why wasn't someone appointed to audit signings?
To plead the 3 monkey's is either naive or a lack of responsibility.
On the other hand somebody who has walked away with £1.5 million for crass incompetence should perhaps accept some responsibility?
Big wages equals responsibility and accountability in every other walk of life supposedly and he (Pardew) was supposedly the football "expert" in the Company.
Len As I previously mentioned we all know Pardew is to blame for the current problems and I take your point he would have been the so called expert footy guy but if you are stating " Many of the players were big risk" Then you take some of the blame because you are either sanctioning them or you oppose it as one risk to many.
It isn't as though RM had not previous experience of money being spent badly before (Dowie ring a bell).
I think Murray got it wrong and as Harry Truman famously had written on his desk the buck stops here.
However Chaimen of PLCs appoint and headhunt experts in their fields to do a job. I think all Murray is saying is that HIS expert came up short which is a statement of fact and something he is entitled to say having just given the incompetent cretin £1.5 million for nothing!
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For example signing two left sided midfielders in a space of a week
People ask for explanation and then when they get it (and don't like it) they got shot down.
Hey ho.
Despite announcing losses of £11.5million for the financial year up to June 2008, Murray insisted the club would not go into administration even if they were relegated to League One.
“We, as a board of directors, will not let the club go into administration,” he said.
“We care too much about Charlton to let that happen. But we need to remain positive, relegation is not inevitable. We will fight until the very end.”
Thank you Mr muzza for some of the answers to the questions
what ones did they answer ?
but that doesn't fit what I want to believe so it must be "SPIN". Not going to give any counter arguements but if I say it's spin then it doesn't count anymore. : - )
NLA, to be fair Murray and the board have made plenty of mistakes, mainly backing the managers too much financially IMHO, but they have never really hidden away. Richard was at Bromley and CIty Addicks, Chappell was at Bromley last month with Waggott and they will all take questions at the AGM
And when Pardew complained in the summer that he wasn't being allowed to pick his own team due to financial restraints on his spending people backed him and told the board to stop interfering.
Mr Chappell was adament at the Bromley meeting before christmas, that this club would not go into any more debt.
“With Alan, all the player purchases were down to him and probably that has been our biggest failing as many of the players that were brought in were big risks,” Murray said.
wss from the article. not in quotes i admit.
i think there should be an appology to say hey we made mistakes sometimes when people own up to mistakes other people might say fair enough.
Those are two very different things - we may have to go into more debt in order not to go into administration, as from my reading of the annual report figures, we are TRADING at a loss. Cashflow will be the killer, unless the directors are prepared to put their hands in their pockets once more.
I'm sorry Richard but that just isn't true. There has been a slight improvement and we could have won two, at most three, of the games Parky has been in charge of. But we havn't because we can't finish properly or defend properly and that hasn't improved under Parky one iota.
Those were the figures up to June 2008 so not current trading figures but last years.
don't know if we are trading at a loss this year. Maybe as crowds will be down from expectation but the playing side was cut and money raised from sales eg Bougherra. Shifting ZZ and Ambrose may have a big impact on if we are on target or not IMHO.
Said before myself Pardew signed too many players that had potential, turned out most of them were/are inconsistent and don't seem to be able to handle the pressure of a struggling team.
The board trusted him and instead of trying to build a smaller, but solid squad, like Parkinson is now trying to do (and will try to do if he's here in the summer), Pardew signed far too many players, most of them ones that might be good.
“With Alan, all the player purchases were down to him and probably that has been our biggest failing as many of the players that were brought in were big risks,” Murray said.
I am disappointed in Richard Murray’s comment regarding Pardew. Pardews is to easy a target to start slagging off now, we all know he is mainly to blame for the current problem but who granted him the unquestionable power in the first place. As mentioned by someone else already on this thread.
I would reiterate that RM should have monitored and questioned the signing of any player and if that is not his role then why wasn't someone appointed to audit signings?
To plead the 3 monkey's is either naive or a lack of responsibility.
Who's meant to be the football expert? Pardew or the Board? How many times have you seen managers walk out on a club complaining about the Board interfering in picking the team etc.
The first one he answerd why did you employ Parky and his reasonings not that i agree with his answer i would rather he admited that altough they did say results had to change as well as performances
and one of the latter ones with regards to the finances of the club should we go down the bit about not going into administration was what i was aiming at
On the other hand somebody who has walked away with £1.5 million for crass incompetence should perhaps accept some responsibility?
Big wages equals responsibility and accountability in every other walk of life supposedly and he (Pardew) was supposedly the football "expert" in the Company.
like Andrew Mills?
I agree up to a point Lord Copper but if Murray had said, for example, "
Murray "£35k for a non-league striker from Dulwich? My mate's seen him play and doesn't rate him Pards. No, not giving you the dosh for that".
Pardew "He's a natural goal scorer and we can sell him for a profit even if he's not good enough for the premier league".
Murray "No, we don't need him, you're not signing him. End of"
Pards "Am I the manager or not. What do you know about players. You're just a fan with a bit of spare cash. How are you qualified to say who we should buy. You gave me a budget and I'm spending it. You appointed me, the fans love me and you've got to trust my judgement".
Who's right and who's wrong.
NB This is a fictional conversation and in no way attempts to portray any real conversation.
Yes he was meant to be the football "expert" wasn't he.
Len As I previously mentioned we all know Pardew is to blame for the current problems and I take your point he would have been the so called expert footy guy but if you are stating " Many of the players were big risk" Then you take some of the blame because you are either sanctioning them or you oppose it as one risk to many.
It isn't as though RM had not previous experience of money being spent badly before (Dowie ring a bell).
Henry my point is you accept some of the blame you don't cast it all on the guy you appointed and then let loose with the company purse strings.
I think Murray got it wrong and as Harry Truman famously had written on his desk the buck stops here.
However Chaimen of PLCs appoint and headhunt experts in their fields to do a job. I think all Murray is saying is that HIS expert came up short which is a statement of fact and something he is entitled to say having just given the incompetent cretin £1.5 million for nothing!
Nobody thought Pards was a bad choice when we got him and if Murray had not backed Pards with the players he wanted then we would be moaning he was to blame for not supporting him.
Either way we are all suffering now including RM.