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Semedo

edited December 2008 in General Charlton
Know a lot who like him but i just don't rate this bloke.Supposed to be the rock in the midfield but games just seem to pass him by.Going forward he is awful and his passing can be erratic.I know we havn't got much choice and i'm sure at one time he had potential but i can't see it anywhere.
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  • Out of him and Bailey i'd drop Bailey.

    Too many stray passes and random boots up the field for absolutely no reason at all. Totally different player since his first couple of games - he even pulled out of a 60/40 challenge in his favour in the 2nd half which Kins went mad at him about.

    At least Semedo has some composure on the ball. I'd put in Holland over Bailey.
  • edited December 2008
    I usually rate him, but for last night's performance I agree with your assessment - looked more like the poor Semedo who played for us towards the end of last season. Still better than Bailey last night.

    If only we had ZZ and Racon available.
  • Didn't really notice Semedo last night until he gave away the penalty.

    I tihnk he is okay, best holding midfield option we have and he has to play imo
  • I think he does his job as a holding midfielder, breaks up play and distributes the ball reasonably well. He just lacks a creative midfielder to play with. Maybe a pairing with Racon may do the trick (be surprised if we see ZZ in a charlton shirt again).
  • I think he does his job as a holding midfielder well. THis was the first time he'd played there for a few weeks and he wasn't quite at the top of his game and he gave away the pen but give him a run of a few games in that holding role and I think people will be raving about him.

    Bailey shouldn't be dropped either. A centre-midfield partnership needs a few games to gel. Let them play the next three games and I'm sure we'll see a real strong combination emerge.
  • Racon and Semedo looked good together against QPR....Then true to our luck Racon gets injured.
  • [cite]Posted By: kinveachyaddick[/cite]IBailey shouldn't be dropped either. A centre-midfield partnership needs a few games to gel. Let them play the next three games and I'm sure we'll see a real strong combination emerge.
    I felt they were the big weakpoint of the team last night, but I do agree with that (until/if ZZ or Racon become available).
  • Semedo played the ball in to Gray for the first goal last night.

    Semedo and Bailey played right and left (central) midfield, last night. I'd rather see Semedo play behind a more creative player, in a diamond.

    Racon would be ideal, but Shelvey or Wright could do it.
  • Was a great ball from Semedo for Gray's goal last night. The kind of service we haven't given our strikers all season. Bailey in my opinion was bad. Gave the ball away in silly positions when he should have hoofed it, and hoofed it when he should've held on to it and made the pass. Racon will improve the side. Anyone know how long he's out for?
  • Doubt we will see ZZ in a charlton shirt again, maybe a few sub games end of december early Jan just to get him in the shop window.
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  • I personally think that out of our fit midfielders Semedo should be first choice at the moment, he looks far more composed and often makes the sensible decision.
  • From my vantage point of the sofa in my front room, Semedo was anonymous last night apart from the assist for Gray's goal and the assist for Ellington's penalty
  • [cite]Posted By: Valley McMoist[/cite]From my vantage point of the sofa in my front room, Semedo was anonymous last night apart from the assist for Gray's goal and the assist for Ellington's penalty

    I also watched the game on TV, the CM could never properly get into the game because we were so direct. Not really his fault.

    He had the kind of performance that if it was Matt Holland everyone would say he was solid.

    Sometimes Semedo looks like he can be a quality player, other times looks a bit average.

    I think he's more likely to be able to play in the Prem one day than Bailey.
  • Semedo over bailey, bailey gives the ball away far too much although he does run his legs off and makes good challenges, still think semedo has more skill.
  • To be fair, the Bailey we saw against Reading driving the team forward, long raking passes finding their man, ball winning tackles and sheer enthusiasm - was a different animal to the Bailey we've seen recently.

    Confidence manifests itself as composure and belief that if this move doesn't work, then the next move will.
    In Bailey's case recently that has been replaced by trying too hard - Luke Varney Syndrome, if you like.

    Also, I believe Bailey has played his best games with Holland alongside, much like Shelvey shone with Holland beside him. Concidence?

    Semedo has a better first touch, generally tends to sit and protect the back 4, and occasionally produces a man of the match performance. But he is inconsistant - probably just lacking the right CM partner?
  • Semedo has a better first touch, generally tends to sit and protect the back 4, and occasionally produces a man of the match performance. But he is inconsistant - probably just lacking the right CM partner?

    I think he'd find consistency if he played there regularly with the right partner.

    You say he's inconsistent, but he's not had a run this season in one position.

    With ZZ likely to be leaving I'd like to see Racon there. Seems Parkinson had that idea as well until Racon got injured.

    I think Josh Wright could do a job there as well. He's happy to sit deep which is what Parkinson wanted Semedo and Bailey to do.
  • Highly over rated. This 'Makelele' role is easy if you're in a five man midfield but leaves you weak going forward in a four if he just sits alongside Fortune and Hudson and then punts the ball aimlessly when he does get it.

    We need Racon back along with a loan player I would think. Maybe one of the Arsenal kids?
  • He doesn't just punt the ball aimlessly though.

    The players were clearly told to be direct last night and get the ball up the pitch quickly.

    He's never going to be making forward runs, scoring goals and creating many chances, but that's not his job.

    Holland doesn't get criticized as much for doing a similar job.

    Why not use Wright and Shelvey more? We can't just keep getting players on loan hoping they're the answer.
  • Well if he wasn't punting it aimlessly he wasn't very accurate!
  • I'd agree about last night, but the midfield hardly had a chance to get on the ball so it's not completely their fault.

    I'm talking about his 1 1/2 seasons here. No he's not a great player, but he's not highly overrated either.
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  • Ok we'll meet in the middle. He's over-rated by some?
  • [cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]Out of him and Bailey i'd drop Bailey.

    Too many stray passes and random boots up the field for absolutely no reason at all. Totally different player since his first couple of games - he even pulled out of a 60/40 challenge in his favour in the 2nd half which Kins went mad at him about.

    At least Semedo has some composure on the ball. I'd put in Holland over Bailey.

    EVERY TIME Holland over Bailey
  • [cite]Posted By: Stone[/cite]Ok we'll meet in the middle. He's over-rated by some?

    By anyone that thinks he's a great player yes.

    He's shown at moment he's decent with room to improve.
    [cite]Posted By: Dazzler21[/cite]
    EVERY TIME Holland over Bailey

    Holland at the moment, though I'd have an on form, at the top of his game Bailey in the team every week.
  • Holland is bottom of the pile for me. All he ever had was legs and now he doesn't.
  • Give Sinclair a chance-at least see what he can do- a ball winner who scores the occasional goal and doesn't spend the game moaning at refs which seems to be Baileys main contribution at the moment
  • Holland has composure, a good first touch, neat & tidy, isn't reckless with his passing - he doesn't gamble everything looking for the killer pass. No pace, positions himself so that he doen't need to make the desperate tackle, but a player that allows more gifted players to play.

    Semedo has a generally great tackle but sometimes reckless, good short range passing, like Holland positionally good in the main. Proved against Derby that when he does get forward, he's well capable of a goal scoring assist.

    Bailey - all huff and puff at the moment, seems to have lost his composure on the ball, a bit panicky - typical symptoms of loss of confidence and desperately trying too hard. But earlier in the season, we've seen some quality performances from him, so we know he can be effective.

    Sinclair - never been given a chance, so evidently deemed not up to standard - shipped out in January?
    Then there is Racon, Shelvey, Wright, Arter and even the invisible (transfer bound?) ZZ. All quality players, who in the right combination, could make their mark.
  • edited December 2008
    [cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]Holland has composure, a good first touch, neat & tidy, isn't reckless with his passing - he doesn't gamble everything looking for the killer pass. No pace, positions himself so that he doen't need to make the desperate tackle, but a player that allows more gifted players to play.

    Isn't reckless with his passing because he barely ever passes it forward. And doesn't put himself in the position to make the desperate tackle because he hardly ever wins us the ball. I do appreciate the calming element he has on the side and he would be a good partner to Shelvey/Wright for that reason. But sometimes I think people are blinded by the fact he's a top pro and has really taken to this club. They don't watch objectively.
  • You see all that from Brighton?
  • [cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]Sinclair - never been given a chance, so evidently deemed not up to standard - shipped out in January?
    Then there is Racon, Shelvey, Wright, Arter and even the invisible (transfer bound?) ZZ. All quality players, who in the right combination, could make their mark.

    Always found Sinclair a strange signing. We had Shelvey, Wright and Arter coming through, they're all younger with plenty of potential.
  • [cite]Posted By: Chunes[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]Holland has composure, a good first touch, neat & tidy, isn't reckless with his passing - he doesn't gamble everything looking for the killer pass. No pace, positions himself so that he doen't need to make the desperate tackle, but a player that allows more gifted players to play.

    Isn't reckless with his passing because he barely ever passes it forward. And doesn't put himself in the position to make the desperate tackle because he hardly ever wins us the ball. I do appreciate the calming element he has on the side and he would be a good partner to Shelvey/Wright for that reason. But sometimes I think people are blinded by the fact he's a top pro and has really taken to this club. They don't watch objectively.


    Oh I don't know Chunes. I like to think I watch what the player does off the ball and how he interacts within the team , as well as what he does on the ball.

    Like many good goalkeepers who rarely make a spectacular save, because their positioning and anticipation is so good, the way Holland reads the game means that he rarely has the need to make the last ditch tackle. He is a bit lightweight and the crunching tackle is not what Holland is about - but what he does do is the the simple thing and doing it well, playing to his own strengths.


    I disagree that Holland barely passes the ball forward, but you rarely see him risk giving the ball away with a speculative pass. He'll play it short and then move 15 yards to receive the return or move it on quickly to the man moving into space. But he rarely gives away the ball away cheaply.

    Recently he's lost that sharpness of reaction a little, probably as he's nearly 35. And that as much as anything has cost him an automatic place in the starting line up these days.

    But previously all his managers always included him in their starting line up. They wouldn't have done that unless they considered his contribution to the team was indispensable.


    But to get the best out of Holland or indeed any of the centemids, is to play them in the right combination.
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