Further question....can this deal go through immediately (assuming it's a goer that is)....there will also have to be a fee from Derby as it's not a straight swap, so that leaves some doubt as it's outside the transfer window?
I readily admit I get confused nowadays as to what type of deals can go through at various times during the season!
You can see it coming though, Monday 15th Dec, Varney smashes in a hat trick in front of the SKY cameras (assuming he can play against us if he goes on loan)
All in all, if it does go through then its a good move.. Varns gets to go back up north and we can not worry about him for a bit, he scores a few goals and then either:
a) We recoup the money we paid for him
b) He comes back and bangs them in for us
Or he goes up there, continues to miss guilt edge chances of course and we're in no worse off position.
[cite]Posted By: DA9[/cite]Probably on a good wage as well, so it all helps.
You can see it coming though, Monday 15th Dec, Varney smashes in a hat trick in front of the SKY cameras (assuming he can play against us if he goes on loan)
Or on a more positive note (I'm a glass half full merchant DA9)...McEveley makes two superb goal line clearences and a superb last ditch tackle to thwart a Luke Varney hatrick and paves the way for Charlton to earn a well deserved victory!
I'll get me coat!
[cite]Posted By: DA9[/cite]Is it not down to the two clubs involved to decide if he can play or not, not sure if there is a league ruling on it?
Pretty sure that is only the case if the players are in different leagues and the decision is made for cup games. I thought if players are loaned within the same league it is a rule they cannot play against their parent club. Will check.
[cite]Posted By: CHG[/cite]I have a feeling that this will come back to haunt us.
In what way CHG?
He is not scoring goals for us at the moment and doesnt look like he is going to.
He is young and has scope for improvement and if he starts hitting the back of the net for Derby then the confidence will flood back and he will look more like the decent footballer that I reckon he is.
If it is the case that there is no ban on loanees playing against their own club you'd still fancy Charlton and Derby to agree not to play the players concerned in that fixture.
Here's a trivia question: When was the last game involving Charlton that one of our players played against US on loan for another club who also had one of THEIR players playing for US on loan in the same match?
[cite]Posted By: Swisdom[/cite]If Varney goes does that mean we get to see Dicko or McClown get a chance now?
I doubt it - we'll probably get someone new in on loan. Andy Cole is available
Andy Cole has retired.
Varney has had more than enough chances and just is not good enough at this level, his record at Championship level (including his season with Crewe) is about 16 goals in 70 starts and a further 20 subs appearances (90 apps total). Thats not that much better than Carlo or Nels - and nobody ever paid 2.5 million for them.
Varney is just one of many players completely devoid of confidence at the moment. If we got rid of every player lacking in confidence we wouldn't have many left. I think he is good enough, but should be played wide. Before he was dropped he was getting MOTM most weeks. As a striker his mistakes get highlighted and are of far greater importance than any other position other than that of goalkeeper. He needs time out until we start winning again. Bring him in to a winning confident team and we will see a different player. Bad mistake to let him go IMO.
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Just found out he's a left back.
Further question....can this deal go through immediately (assuming it's a goer that is)....there will also have to be a fee from Derby as it's not a straight swap, so that leaves some doubt as it's outside the transfer window?
I readily admit I get confused nowadays as to what type of deals can go through at various times during the season!
will do him the world of good and he can be someone elses problem if it works out we can have him back
You can see it coming though, Monday 15th Dec, Varney smashes in a hat trick in front of the SKY cameras (assuming he can play against us if he goes on loan)
All in all, if it does go through then its a good move.. Varns gets to go back up north and we can not worry about him for a bit, he scores a few goals and then either:
a) We recoup the money we paid for him
b) He comes back and bangs them in for us
Or he goes up there, continues to miss guilt edge chances of course and we're in no worse off position.
Or on a more positive note (I'm a glass half full merchant DA9)...McEveley makes two superb goal line clearences and a superb last ditch tackle to thwart a Luke Varney hatrick and paves the way for Charlton to earn a well deserved victory!
I'll get me coat!
If we can get some dough for Varney, even if its only 700,000 then its better than nothing.
How we paid 2.5 million for a third-division player who had already had one mediocre season in the Champs when Crewe got relegated just defies belief.
I apologise again to those who told me that Pards had fecked it up with the Varney/McLeod deals. You were right and I was wrong.
F**king Pardew.
He is not scoring goals for us at the moment and doesnt look like he is going to.
Two words CHRIS IWELUMO
As has been said, if it's a loan then we can either bring him back with confidence restored, or sell him and at least recoup some of our money.
Andy Reid
Michael Kightly
He is young and has scope for improvement and if he starts hitting the back of the net for Derby then the confidence will flood back and he will look more like the decent footballer that I reckon he is.
correct, they can play against their own Club, no league rule against it, but clubs can veto it if they want.
Here's a trivia question: When was the last game involving Charlton that one of our players played against US on loan for another club who also had one of THEIR players playing for US on loan in the same match?
No leafing through stats books.....
....Kelly Youga: mark II?
http://boards.footymad.net/mboard/fmb.php?tno=181&fid=16&sty=2&act=1&mid=2127681911
He has been useless in front of goal, but we should be looking to get rid of McLeod/Dickson/Toddy before Varney imo.
Waghorn may only be here a month as well. Gray having personal issues.
Will leave us a little bit short up front.
I doubt it - we'll probably get someone new in on loan. Andy Cole is available
Andy Cole has retired.
Varney has had more than enough chances and just is not good enough at this level, his record at Championship level (including his season with Crewe) is about 16 goals in 70 starts and a further 20 subs appearances (90 apps total). Thats not that much better than Carlo or Nels - and nobody ever paid 2.5 million for them.
If that's the case, I want at least £1.5m for Varney
Anyone could do better than Youga at the moment.
McEveley is two bob - ok varney has missed some sitters but he's still a good player and this is not a good bloody deal.
As a striker his mistakes get highlighted and are of far greater importance than any other position other than that of goalkeeper.
He needs time out until we start winning again. Bring him in to a winning confident team and we will see a different player.
Bad mistake to let him go IMO.