Would love Holloway here, not going to happen now but as well as being very funny- the guy is a really good manager- shown at all his clubs except Leicester where to be honest- not many managers are leaving there with much credibility thanks to Mandaric.
some interesting comments on this thread aswell looking back
The massive bellend has a point...
love the bloke. read his book and he's a proper football man. would welcome him here with open arms. tells it exactly how it is....in his own special way.
The job he has done at blackpool unbeliveable, by getting them to the premier league, even if they go down fantastic job. Before last year was allways seen as a joker rather than a good manager His style as a manger has changed a lot, since his plymouth side came to us on a Tuesday night and kicked lumps out of everyone
[cite]Posted By: cafc_1993[/cite]The job he has done at blackpool unbeliveable, by getting them to the premier league, even if they go down fantastic job.
Before last year was allways seen as a joker rather than a good manager
His style as a manger has changed a lot, since his plymouth side came to us on a Tuesday night and kicked lumps out of everyone
Well said - he's done a fantastic job for Blackpool.
I have a mate who's a Leicester fan and he used to have nothing but contempt for the bloke when he was managing them, said he was clueless and seemed to spend more time making daft comments on BBC sofas than sorting out the mess that was their team.
I guess that's how it is: if you're successful your comments are charming and you're a great bloke, but if the team is losing then you come across as an idiotic joker.
He can't really blame UEFA/FIFA for the Bosman situation, that issue was taken out of their control by the courts and UEFA/FIFA had to fall in line with the judgement of the court.
I can understand him going off on one about Rooney but its a bit harsh to blame FIFA/UEFA for the insatiable greed of our footballers.
Nice to read the standard dismissive comments of some regarding holloway as a manager 2 years ago and even some no's for billy davies ......
And this was during our worst run in history under the wonderful "caretaker" manager parky
We had a chance of staying up in the championship but that was thrown away as soon as we appointed parky full time (large stated this as did many others)
A monumental blunder by our board , we were viable in the championship and where parky has taken us to in the intervening 2 years and now we're dying a slow death
Bad times
Thru the shit situation parky has created I still think the end of november is where we should be looking to reassess ......
[quote][cite]Posted By: oohaahmortimer[/cite]Nice to read the standard dismissive comments of some regarding holloway as a manager 2 years ago and even some no's for billy davies ...... And this was during our worst run in history under the wonderful "caretaker" manager parky We had a chance of staying up in the championship but that was thrown away as soon as we appointed parky full time (large stated this as did many others) A monumental blunder by our board , we were viable in the championship and where parky has taken us to in the intervening 2 years and now we're dying a slow death Bad times Thru the shit situation parky has created I still think the end of november is where we should be looking to reassess ......[/quote]
Blaming the relegation from the CCC on Parkinson is like blaming Barack Obama for the Global Financial Crisis.
When Parkinson took over we had one - that is ONE - fit centre-half at the club and that was the walking disaster known as Mark Hudson.
We had about 8 central midfielders but only one winger and an "attack" that consisted of a homesick and out of form Andy Gray, a short on confidence Luke Varney and I can't even remember what other dross we had up front at the time!
By all means blame Parky for our current team - he put this lot together - but the CCC relegation debacle had Pardew's grubby little prints all over it in the shape of an unbalanced and simply not good enough squad for that league.
So easy to say in hindsight that Holloway would've been a great appointment. He's joined the list of managers who have been absolutely shite at one club, but worked wonders at the next. Who is to say he wouldn't have performed like he did at Leicester with us?
He may have been 'no worse' than Parky, but that is hardly a ringing endorsement. Hence why I'm struggling to understand the logic of getting rid of Parky now, when some of the suggested alternatives are quite frankly laughable.
[cite]Posted By: oohaahmortimer[/cite]Nice to read the standard dismissive comments of some regarding holloway as a manager 2 years ago and even some no's for billy davies
Understandable though isn't it? What would everyone have said if we had just made Holloway manager after he got relegated with Leicester? Unless he had a good start not many would have been happy.
Not sure we could have played the type of football he did at Blackpool with that awful squad either.
I did think we needed a fresh start at the time but from the boards point of view it's clear why they didn't go for Holloway (or Poyet as mentioned in other threads).
If Parky does go I don't think anyone can really predict which young coach or failed manager will be doing a great job for a club in two years time. Must be far more examples of managers that weren't convincing back then and still aren't now.
[cite]Posted By: oohaahmortimer[/cite]Nice to read the standard dismissive comments of some regarding holloway as a manager 2 years ago and even some no's for billy davies
Understandable though isn't it? What would everyone have said if we had just made Holloway manager after he got relegated with Leicester? Unless he had a good start not many would have been happy.
well pardew was trying to get west ham relegated in his last job before we took him on and parky was absolute turd with hull and part of the pardew shit and we took him on
we know we're not that attractive and there is no such manager as the perfect one to come to us in our previous and past positions but holloway and davies have done well and we haven't
yes they may have done crap at us but no one would have done as bad as parky at trying to keep us up he is as big a part of our current joke position as anyone ..... and the majority of our fans are clueless and apologetic of what is a long line of unbelievably disastrous decisions
[cite]Posted By: oohaahmortimer[/cite]Nice to read the standard dismissive comments of some regarding holloway as a manager 2 years ago and even some no's for billy davies
Understandable though isn't it? What would everyone have said if we had just made Holloway manager after he got relegated with Leicester? Unless he had a good start not many would have been happy.
well pardew was trying to get west ham relegated in his last job before we took him on and parky was absolute turd with hull and part of the pardew shit and we took him on
we know we're not that attractive and there is no such manager as the perfect one to come to us in our previous and past positions but holloway and davies have done well and we haven't
yes they may have done crap at us but no one would have done as bad as parky at trying to keep us up he is as big a part of our current joke position as anyone ..... and the majority of our fans are clueless and apologetic of what is a long line of unbelievably disastrous decisions
Of course some managers would have done as badly as Parky at keeping us up.
As I said we did need a new a manager from outside the club at the time. Plenty would have struggled though.
Calling fans apologetic for last season or this season I can understand.
It's nothing to do with being apologetic, the reality was that squad was awful. Not so much talent, but the balance.
You can't set up a solid and competitive midfield when most of them either won't or can't defend. Semedo was injured for much of the season and Holland was no ball winner.
Up front we had Andy Gray, who had problems outside of football but even at another club since leaving us he has done very little. Varney now in the Prem but got relegated with Sheff Wed last season. Pardew ruined his confidence, and was sold early on in Parky's time as manager. Todorov, too slow and unfit, not suited to a relegation battle.
Only having two centre backs was ridiculous.
Some managers would have done a bit better. This isn't about me defending Parky and the board. It's about the complete mess the club was in.
Average goalkeepers, poor and few defenders, an uncompetitive, unreliable midfield and nothing up front. The squad was not up to it, the players had no confidence, and we had several players we didn't need or who didn't want to be here.
Can anyone explain how we had even an average Championship side that season?
we continued to use elliot when weaver was available
hudson we got the worst out of, varney we got the worst out of, we got the worst out of gray, ambrose as well
that squad was not great but a better manager would have made a better fight of it imo
[cite]Posted By: oohaahmortimer[/cite]we continued to use elliot when weaver was available
hudson we got the worst out of, varney we got the worst out of, we got the worst out of gray, ambrose as well
that squad was not great but a better manager would have made a better fight of it imo
I don't think many would disagree with your last comment oohaah. However, I agree with Scoham that we would've gone down anyway. That didn't make making Parky manager the correct (or sensible) decision though.
I was livid when we gave Parky the job full-time, as I believed there were better alternatives at the time.
However now I'm not sure there are many better (and realistic) alternatives that are out of work. If we can afford to poach someone off another club then of course it's a different story, but I'm assuming we can't. I am not comfortable at all with rolling the dice and hoping for the best. I know there are no guarantees in football, but giving the job to Martin Allen/Paolo Sousa/Paolo di Canio/Chris Powell etc etc just represents an almighty gamble and I'm hoping we can do a bit better than that.
nothing wrong with that squad as ooh ah said plent players gone on to better things so that cannot be a excuse,the jackass management is to blame and also plenty time to keep us up as well..............next
[quote][cite]Posted By: nolly[/cite]nothing wrong with that squad as ooh ah said plent players gone on to better things so that cannot be a excuse,the jackass management is to blame and also plenty time to keep us up as well..............next[/quote]
Nothing wrong with that squad? You must have had one boxing bout too many Mr. Nolly!!!
Two centre-halves - one of them the perenially crocked Jon Fortune - and reduced to playing pint-sized and declining midfielder Matt Holland at center-half? We even resorted to bringing in a 37 year-old crocked Linvoy Primus into the team at one point!
Parky got given that shower of shite and the only money he had was for Matt Spring!!!
You can blame PP all you like for the current squad but that CCC relegation squad was a Pardew special.
lol ormiston remember you at school showing me a mercury after i got accused by my dad of posing in the london schools..........still aint forgiven you browny
[cite]Posted By: oohaahmortimer[/cite]we continued to use elliot when weaver was available
hudson we got the worst out of, varney we got the worst out of, we got the worst out of gray, ambrose as well
that squad was not great but a better manager would have made a better fight of it imo
I agree a better manager would have made a better fight of it. You originally said no manager would have done as bad as Parky, which is what I didn't agree with.
[cite]Posted By: nolly[/cite]nothing wrong with that squad as ooh ah said plent players gone on to better things so that cannot be a excuse,the jackass management is to blame and also plenty time to keep us up as well..............next
Nothing wrong?
Look at where the players are now, the ones that Parky had when he got the job as caretaker-
Elliot - League One
Weaver - League One
Randolph - Scottish Prem
Cranie - Championship - but who rated him?
Hudson - Championship - agree we got the worst out of him, but that was down the rest of the team being so poor, we got a lot more out of Darren Ward
Fortune - League One
Youga - League One
Basey - League Two
Moutaouakil - No club
Shelvey - Prem
Sam - Championship - but not everyone rates him, do they?
Bailey - Championship
Ambrose - Championship
Wright - Championship - but has no doubt improved in the last 2 years with regular football
Semedo - League One
Racon - League One
Zheng - China
Holland - Retired - wouldn't have got in our team last season in League One
Gray - Championship - but not doing a great deal
Todorov - Bulgaria - not the type for a relegation battle
Dickson - Cyprus, and not even the top tier
McLeod - League Two
Waghorn - Championship - like Wright, is more experienced and a better player now
Two players that left that we could do nothing about-
Bouazza - French top tier - Fulham took him back and loaned him to Birmingham
Varney - Prem - Offered £1m, we needed the money at the time to pay off Pardew
Other options were the likes of Christensen (Norway), Sinclair (League Two - but only on trial) and Fleetwood (League Two) still at the club.
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He is spot on about the Rooney situation aswell.
love the bloke. read his book and he's a proper football man. would welcome him here with open arms. tells it exactly how it is....in his own special way.
Before last year was allways seen as a joker rather than a good manager
His style as a manger has changed a lot, since his plymouth side came to us on a Tuesday night and kicked lumps out of everyone
Well said - he's done a fantastic job for Blackpool.
I guess that's how it is: if you're successful your comments are charming and you're a great bloke, but if the team is losing then you come across as an idiotic joker.
?
I can understand him going off on one about Rooney but its a bit harsh to blame FIFA/UEFA for the insatiable greed of our footballers.
And this was during our worst run in history under the wonderful "caretaker" manager parky
We had a chance of staying up in the championship but that was thrown away as soon as we appointed parky full time (large stated this as did many others)
A monumental blunder by our board , we were viable in the championship and where parky has taken us to in the intervening 2 years and now we're dying a slow death
Bad times
Thru the shit situation parky has created I still think the end of november is where we should be looking to reassess ......
And this was during our worst run in history under the wonderful "caretaker" manager parky
We had a chance of staying up in the championship but that was thrown away as soon as we appointed parky full time (large stated this as did many others)
A monumental blunder by our board , we were viable in the championship and where parky has taken us to in the intervening 2 years and now we're dying a slow death
Bad times
Thru the shit situation parky has created I still think the end of november is where we should be looking to reassess ......[/quote]
Blaming the relegation from the CCC on Parkinson is like blaming Barack Obama for the Global Financial Crisis.
When Parkinson took over we had one - that is ONE - fit centre-half at the club and that was the walking disaster known as Mark Hudson.
We had about 8 central midfielders but only one winger and an "attack" that consisted of a homesick and out of form Andy Gray, a short on confidence Luke Varney and I can't even remember what other dross we had up front at the time!
By all means blame Parky for our current team - he put this lot together - but the CCC relegation debacle had Pardew's grubby little prints all over it in the shape of an unbalanced and simply not good enough squad for that league.
He may have been 'no worse' than Parky, but that is hardly a ringing endorsement. Hence why I'm struggling to understand the logic of getting rid of Parky now, when some of the suggested alternatives are quite frankly laughable.
Not sure we could have played the type of football he did at Blackpool with that awful squad either.
I did think we needed a fresh start at the time but from the boards point of view it's clear why they didn't go for Holloway (or Poyet as mentioned in other threads).
If Parky does go I don't think anyone can really predict which young coach or failed manager will be doing a great job for a club in two years time. Must be far more examples of managers that weren't convincing back then and still aren't now.
well pardew was trying to get west ham relegated in his last job before we took him on and parky was absolute turd with hull and part of the pardew shit and we took him on
we know we're not that attractive and there is no such manager as the perfect one to come to us in our previous and past positions but holloway and davies have done well and we haven't
yes they may have done crap at us but no one would have done as bad as parky at trying to keep us up he is as big a part of our current joke position as anyone ..... and the majority of our fans are clueless and apologetic of what is a long line of unbelievably disastrous decisions
As I said we did need a new a manager from outside the club at the time. Plenty would have struggled though.
Calling fans apologetic for last season or this season I can understand.
It's nothing to do with being apologetic, the reality was that squad was awful. Not so much talent, but the balance.
You can't set up a solid and competitive midfield when most of them either won't or can't defend. Semedo was injured for much of the season and Holland was no ball winner.
Up front we had Andy Gray, who had problems outside of football but even at another club since leaving us he has done very little. Varney now in the Prem but got relegated with Sheff Wed last season. Pardew ruined his confidence, and was sold early on in Parky's time as manager. Todorov, too slow and unfit, not suited to a relegation battle.
Only having two centre backs was ridiculous.
Some managers would have done a bit better. This isn't about me defending Parky and the board. It's about the complete mess the club was in.
Average goalkeepers, poor and few defenders, an uncompetitive, unreliable midfield and nothing up front. The squad was not up to it, the players had no confidence, and we had several players we didn't need or who didn't want to be here.
Can anyone explain how we had even an average Championship side that season?
Now I do agree with that.
hudson we got the worst out of, varney we got the worst out of, we got the worst out of gray, ambrose as well
that squad was not great but a better manager would have made a better fight of it imo
I don't think many would disagree with your last comment oohaah. However, I agree with Scoham that we would've gone down anyway. That didn't make making Parky manager the correct (or sensible) decision though.
I was livid when we gave Parky the job full-time, as I believed there were better alternatives at the time.
However now I'm not sure there are many better (and realistic) alternatives that are out of work. If we can afford to poach someone off another club then of course it's a different story, but I'm assuming we can't. I am not comfortable at all with rolling the dice and hoping for the best. I know there are no guarantees in football, but giving the job to Martin Allen/Paolo Sousa/Paolo di Canio/Chris Powell etc etc just represents an almighty gamble and I'm hoping we can do a bit better than that.
Nothing wrong with that squad? You must have had one boxing bout too many Mr. Nolly!!!
Two centre-halves - one of them the perenially crocked Jon Fortune - and reduced to playing pint-sized and declining midfielder Matt Holland at center-half? We even resorted to bringing in a 37 year-old crocked Linvoy Primus into the team at one point!
Parky got given that shower of shite and the only money he had was for Matt Spring!!!
You can blame PP all you like for the current squad but that CCC relegation squad was a Pardew special.
I assume Holloway has never signed a player on a Bosman ?
Does he fully understand the difference between a human being and items of property ?
He's done a great job at Blackpool no denying, but I wish he'd give it a rest sometimes.
I agree a better manager would have made a better fight of it. You originally said no manager would have done as bad as Parky, which is what I didn't agree with.
Nothing wrong?
Look at where the players are now, the ones that Parky had when he got the job as caretaker-
Elliot - League One
Weaver - League One
Randolph - Scottish Prem
Cranie - Championship - but who rated him?
Hudson - Championship - agree we got the worst out of him, but that was down the rest of the team being so poor, we got a lot more out of Darren Ward
Fortune - League One
Youga - League One
Basey - League Two
Moutaouakil - No club
Shelvey - Prem
Sam - Championship - but not everyone rates him, do they?
Bailey - Championship
Ambrose - Championship
Wright - Championship - but has no doubt improved in the last 2 years with regular football
Semedo - League One
Racon - League One
Zheng - China
Holland - Retired - wouldn't have got in our team last season in League One
Gray - Championship - but not doing a great deal
Todorov - Bulgaria - not the type for a relegation battle
Dickson - Cyprus, and not even the top tier
McLeod - League Two
Waghorn - Championship - like Wright, is more experienced and a better player now
Two players that left that we could do nothing about-
Bouazza - French top tier - Fulham took him back and loaned him to Birmingham
Varney - Prem - Offered £1m, we needed the money at the time to pay off Pardew
Other options were the likes of Christensen (Norway), Sinclair (League Two - but only on trial) and Fleetwood (League Two) still at the club.