we never gave him the credit... 10 mins at the end of a blackburn game......
We needed this reality check... I feel that with Zabeel not happening we now need the return of a proper legend to save the club basically.....
he must be very sad to see the club in the state it is and I think if he came back and did the bizz he would finally get the praise he deserves and us as fans would unite and galvanise again and realise how lucky we are....
and all ride of together into the sunset forever etc......
not dure what to make of it Len, there is certainly in my opinion a lot of naivety and stubborness in peoples current stance.
But i equally don't feel the hindsight approach of chastising those that thought the change was right at the time particularly accurate either.
Certainly don't expect everyone to agree with an article i'm just finishing, but i think a lot of people need to take a good hard look at where we are, where we want to be, and what realistically can be done to achieve that.
Len and AFKA, if you look at Stanmore's poll results, 70 per cent want Curbs back.
Given what an argumentative, disputative lot we are (oh no, we're not...), then that's nearly unanimous in Charlton Life terms! If we had a poll asking which end of the ground the north stand was located at, we'd probably get into a fight over the difference between true north and magnetic north, with substantial votes for NNE and a few more for NNW...
It was right for him to go when he did. But there was an injustice and a lack of proper recognition of what he had achieved when he went and by god, I would love to have him back and for us all to have the opportunity to give him his due for what he did ...
Look forward to the new article, AFKA. The last two or three have been absolutely on the button.
[cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]naivety and stubborness.
I wanted him to go and was pleased when he finally did back in 2006. But I see now that I was naive. I didn't see what he saw. He saw that with the players at his disposal he had to play defensive dull football. Anyone else with those players would have taken us down. He used thoes players to make a dull but effective team (for survival).
Like many others I looked at the players and the system and blamed Curbs. Without any money, what choice did he have?
With the Dowie money he'd have made us a better team and less dull in the process.
Right now I think we'd all be happy to see dull football and a few decent results.
It's time to do now what we should have done in 2006 (if he agrees). Agree to one more year (if that's all he wants) while he lets another younger man (Kinsella?) ease himself into the job.
I have to add that reading that article made me feel guilty and stupid (although I never booed - just got bored).
Over the last couple of days, I've been reading his book again. Sure , on one level it's a bit dull like his teams sometimes were. And he made some mistakes with transfers and selections (although nowhere near as many and as catastrophic as Dowie and Pardew).
But the book is also thoughtful, methodical (that word again) and well-organised. Like his teams. And it breathes with how proud he was of what he achieved with us (and his disappointment that it went a little sour at the end for no justifiable reason other than our low boredom threshold).
The board should be going down on bended knee, begging him. Curbs presided over what we can now see was a golden age. He can top that, just by doing a Lennie and keeping us up.
[cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]for how long though mascot it wouldnt take long for those to moan again
i want him back but if i were him i would tell us to jog on
Stanmore's poll shows that 30% wouldn't have him back. I assume they must be the ones who prefer what we are watching at the moment to boring mid table Premiership football.
Takes all sorts to make a world but I know what I'd rather watch...
[cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]not dure what to make of it Len, there is certainly in my opinion a lot of naivety and stubborness in peoples current stance.
But i equally don't feel the hindsight approach of chastising those that thought the change was right at the time particularly accurate either.
Certainly don't expect everyone to agree with an article i'm just finishing, but i think a lot of people need to take a good hard look at where we are, where we want to be, and what realistically can be done to achieve that.
AFKA, I not certain either and it's easy to make glib generalisations but I wonder if pro Curbs/Anti Curbs is a generationally based. I'm firmly with Len on Curbs. I was then and I am now. I just think of the sixties and seventies and much of the eighties, pre Lennie and how far on the playing side, the club had fallen. Sure we had some good days but their weren't that many.
During the first few Prem years, I didn't go that often (despite being a ST holder) because of the work commitments of running a busy retail business who's busiest day was Saturday. Hence each time I went I savoured the moment. I stood on the East Stand gangway before the game, soaking up the atmosphere.
I had dreamt about it, but I never thought in my lifetime I would ever experience the thrill of watching my beloved team, playing the best in the land, in a rebuilt and modern Valley Stadium. Curbs, to me, was key to making my dreams come true (along of course with RM and PV et al). So I saw, and still see Curbs in that light.
On the other hand fans who largely grew up with Curbs already in charge and the club gradually on the up and up, I think, for totally, understandable reasons, kind of took him for granted and when things tightened up in the final few years and the team became very defensively focussed, with little flair, this was seen as a failure of management.
Both camps have a legitimate view, it just depends at what point your journey with the Addicks commenced.
[cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]for how long though mascot it wouldnt take long for those to moan again
i want him back but if i were him i would tell us to jog on
I think if he saved the club from doing a leeds/sheff wed/notts forest/ etc... we would be extremely grateful and the fans that can see the wood for the trees would stop the others acting poorly.....
but this is all speculation, at the mo we are royally ROYALLY fecked and a the bloke that built this coming in and fixing this mess is by far and away the right amn for the job........
if you can here me curbs........ COME BACK PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ummm wasn't/isn't Curbs a Hammer at heart - he probably knew the writing was on the wall for Pardew at Upron Park (given the Baby Bentley stuff going on at the time).
He did what he considered the decent thing by leaving us at the end of the 05/06 season rather than jumping ship midway through the next when Pardew inevitably got the boot.
Ultimately & undeniably he wanted a crack at the West Ham job - which is what he got - he wasn't in any way forced out of Charlton, I cannot believe he would seriously have any bad memories of the fans in his last few seasons.
Like it or not, being under pressure from the Charlton support is like being savaged by a dead sheep as some politician once said - we along with 99% of the rest of the footballing public in England are hardly Galatasaray are we?
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seems a long time ago... he must feel un wanted....
even his answer the other day thats 1 from 20,000......
we should get him back to put it all right.....
I know im a broken record....
However you only have to look at Stanmore's poll to see that a significant minority even now wouldn't want Curbs back.
I can't understand it myself but then I don't understand a lot of things about 21st Century Britain.
It must be because I'm getting old I suppose.
we never gave him the credit... 10 mins at the end of a blackburn game......
We needed this reality check... I feel that with Zabeel not happening we now need the return of a proper legend to save the club basically.....
he must be very sad to see the club in the state it is and I think if he came back and did the bizz he would finally get the praise he deserves and us as fans would unite and galvanise again and realise how lucky we are....
and all ride of together into the sunset forever etc......
But i equally don't feel the hindsight approach of chastising those that thought the change was right at the time particularly accurate either.
Certainly don't expect everyone to agree with an article i'm just finishing, but i think a lot of people need to take a good hard look at where we are, where we want to be, and what realistically can be done to achieve that.
Given what an argumentative, disputative lot we are (oh no, we're not...), then that's nearly unanimous in Charlton Life terms! If we had a poll asking which end of the ground the north stand was located at, we'd probably get into a fight over the difference between true north and magnetic north, with substantial votes for NNE and a few more for NNW...
It was right for him to go when he did. But there was an injustice and a lack of proper recognition of what he had achieved when he went and by god, I would love to have him back and for us all to have the opportunity to give him his due for what he did ...
Look forward to the new article, AFKA. The last two or three have been absolutely on the button.
I wanted him to go and was pleased when he finally did back in 2006. But I see now that I was naive. I didn't see what he saw. He saw that with the players at his disposal he had to play defensive dull football. Anyone else with those players would have taken us down. He used thoes players to make a dull but effective team (for survival).
Like many others I looked at the players and the system and blamed Curbs. Without any money, what choice did he have?
With the Dowie money he'd have made us a better team and less dull in the process.
Right now I think we'd all be happy to see dull football and a few decent results.
It's time to do now what we should have done in 2006 (if he agrees). Agree to one more year (if that's all he wants) while he lets another younger man (Kinsella?) ease himself into the job.
I have to add that reading that article made me feel guilty and stupid (although I never booed - just got bored).
time has proved he was a miracle performer for us
pure pure class FACT
what a load of bollox
lol
i hate every one who booed him everyone who cheered and was glad he had gone
why couldnt you all just apreciate what the man had done you lot are as much to blame as Dowie,Reed,,Pardew
those that didnt apreciate what he was doing must be real chuffed and happy at what we have become or are they the ones now blaming the board
But the book is also thoughtful, methodical (that word again) and well-organised. Like his teams. And it breathes with how proud he was of what he achieved with us (and his disappointment that it went a little sour at the end for no justifiable reason other than our low boredom threshold).
The board should be going down on bended knee, begging him. Curbs presided over what we can now see was a golden age. He can top that, just by doing a Lennie and keeping us up.
i want him back but if i were him i would tell us to jog on
Stanmore's poll shows that 30% wouldn't have him back. I assume they must be the ones who prefer what we are watching at the moment to boring mid table Premiership football.
Takes all sorts to make a world but I know what I'd rather watch...
AFKA, I not certain either and it's easy to make glib generalisations but I wonder if pro Curbs/Anti Curbs is a generationally based. I'm firmly with Len on Curbs. I was then and I am now. I just think of the sixties and seventies and much of the eighties, pre Lennie and how far on the playing side, the club had fallen. Sure we had some good days but their weren't that many.
During the first few Prem years, I didn't go that often (despite being a ST holder) because of the work commitments of running a busy retail business who's busiest day was Saturday. Hence each time I went I savoured the moment. I stood on the East Stand gangway before the game, soaking up the atmosphere.
I had dreamt about it, but I never thought in my lifetime I would ever experience the thrill of watching my beloved team, playing the best in the land, in a rebuilt and modern Valley Stadium. Curbs, to me, was key to making my dreams come true (along of course with RM and PV et al). So I saw, and still see Curbs in that light.
On the other hand fans who largely grew up with Curbs already in charge and the club gradually on the up and up, I think, for totally, understandable reasons, kind of took him for granted and when things tightened up in the final few years and the team became very defensively focussed, with little flair, this was seen as a failure of management.
Both camps have a legitimate view, it just depends at what point your journey with the Addicks commenced.
I think if he saved the club from doing a leeds/sheff wed/notts forest/ etc... we would be extremely grateful and the fans that can see the wood for the trees would stop the others acting poorly.....
but this is all speculation, at the mo we are royally ROYALLY fecked and a the bloke that built this coming in and fixing this mess is by far and away the right amn for the job........
if you can here me curbs........ COME BACK PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He did what he considered the decent thing by leaving us at the end of the 05/06 season rather than jumping ship midway through the next when Pardew inevitably got the boot.
Ultimately & undeniably he wanted a crack at the West Ham job - which is what he got - he wasn't in any way forced out of Charlton, I cannot believe he would seriously have any bad memories of the fans in his last few seasons.
Like it or not, being under pressure from the Charlton support is like being savaged by a dead sheep as some politician once said - we along with 99% of the rest of the footballing public in England are hardly Galatasaray are we?