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Players must shoulder some responsibility too !

I hope our team of underachievers take a good long hard look at themselves in the mirror tonight. Pardew must carry the can but lets not hide from the fact that they have been truly awful. I hope and pray the new man can make me wrong but I think that this lot of players are not good enough to wear the shirt.
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  • Pardew has built a squad full of far too many potentially good players. They can't seem to handle the pressure and make basic errors.

    He must have used 50+ players, is there even one of them Pardew has got the best out of?
  • No matter what Pardew said at half time, their two goals after half time was just pure shit defending from our defence.
  • Wonder what the players thought of Pards?
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    Nicky Weaver must be relieved. Pards final interview on the OS (which has now totally crashed due to something called a 'Lasoo error', by the way!) said he was calling him in for crisis talks.
  • Clean slate for all the players for me now. Prove you are good enough to wear the shirt.
  • sorry i cant take youga serious anymore
  • Primus must think he's jinxed as the manager who loaned him out has gone and so as the manager who he went to.
  • [cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Clean slate for all the players for me now. Prove you are good enough to wear the shirt.

    Agreed
  • [cite]Posted By: BigRedEvil[/cite]No matter what Pardew said at half time, their two goals after half time was just pure shit defending from our defence.

    agree with that, but more concerning was that for about ten minutes after their 4th the players just gave up completely, they no longer cared.
  • The thing that i found shocking was the way our players came out in the first with their heads down.
    The Sheff U players were clapping the away support.
    Our lot looked beaten from the start
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  • My (75 year-old) dad - who never has "got" football - has always asked why managers can get sacked but not players ?
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    [quote][cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Clean slate for all the players for me now. Prove you are good enough to wear the shirt.[/quote]
    Absolutely right.

    For me the pain this season has been seeing teams play at half pelt and still manage to comfortably beat us. I hate getting beaten but I can take it if the side has given an honest performance and tried the best, far to often this year only a handful of players can hold their heads up in this regard.
    A new era represents a great opportunity for all the squad
  • Sorry, but you cant blame the players when the tactics are wrong, players are in the wrong position and clearly lacking in confidence. It doesnt help either when there are other players in the squad who have been overlooked, and replaced with loanees. Problem lies totally with the manager
  • ok let's see then one problem has been removed now the players have to step up to the plate.
  • [cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]Pardew has built a squad full of far too many potentially good players. They can't seem to handle the pressure and make basic errors.

    He must have used 50+ players, is there even one of them Pardew has got the best out of?

    Annorak Addick had all the names listed, Waghorn became the 62 player in 23 months, 43 of whom Pardew either signed or gave debuts too. So anybody who says he lost his best players, etc. is wrong, he has built the whole squad and it is purely his fault we aren't big enough and strong enough for this division. You can buy potential and pretty players when you've got promotion, until then the hull/stoke route of being hard to beat is the way to go.
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    [cite]Posted By: Iced Tea[/cite]Sorry, but you cant blame the players when the tactics are wrong, players are in the wrong position and clearly lacking in confidence. It doesnt help either when there are other players in the squad who have been overlooked, and replaced with loanees. Problem lies totally with the manager

    No way. Yes the manager picks the tactics but not scoring a goal from a good position as happened yesterday or not picking up your player as happened yesterday or not just putting the ball out of play as happened yesterday are all down to the players not the manager. Confidence may be low, tactics may be wrong but they are basics expected of a kids team let alone full time pros.

    No excuses, the players have underperformed. Now they need to get over it and start playing.
  • Yeah I saw on the Telegraph's website he used 62 players. Really got the feeling he just hoped something would click one day, just not going to happen like that.
  • Henry, so why have the current crop of players underperformed?

    Agree with the basics stuff, Steve Thompson was great at kicking the ball into row Z, but then Lennie Lawrence was his manager!
  • i had a very intersting conversation with Basey's cousin last night.

    He was discussin the massive divide that there is in the changing room, for me that is where the new manager really needs to work at.
  • Carl, what's the basis of the divide?
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  • [cite]Posted By: Iced Tea[/cite]Sorry, but you cant blame the players when the tactics are wrong, players are in the wrong position and clearly lacking in confidence. It doesnt help either when there are other players in the squad who have been overlooked, and replaced with loanees. Problem lies totally with the manager
    Maybe but if the players were good enough week in week out rather than once every five games it wouldn't be so much of a problem!
    [cite]Posted By: charlton_carl[/cite]i had a very intersting conversation with Basey's cousin last night.

    He was discussin the massive divide that there is in the changing room, for me that is where the new manager really needs to work at.

    I'd like to know where the divide falls maybe older and younger...
  • your right dazzler, from what he was saying there are a hell of a lot of ego's in that dressing room.

    The younger players and the older pro's dont really get on.

    Interesting that he said basey is firmly in the older pros camp.
  • [cite]Posted By: charlton_carl[/cite]your right dazzler, from what he was saying there are a hell of a lot of ego's in that dressing room.

    The younger players and the older pro's dont really get on.

    Interesting that he said basey is firmly in the older pros camp.
    So the two camps can be summed up as those who have their head screwed on and are prepared to work hard, and those flash young fcukers who think they're billy-big-bollocks and the world owes them something.

    I hope whoever comes in gives them a right royal kick up the arris and sorts it out. This club has been built on hard work, blood sweat and tears and any player who comes in thinking otherwise and thinking they're bigger can do one.
  • couldn't agree more.

    We need to get more out of them as a collective. Majority of these players are in the first team
  • How do you get more out of players with little or no talent,this has been Pardews most lasting failure his inability to find and acquire talented players. He has left us with players that are just dross, and this team will be relegated who ever manages them.
    How many of are players have a good first touch, how many can pass the ball to the own team mates; how many can win a tackle; how many can win headers and get the balll down to the own team mates. The catalogue just goes on and on, this has to be the worst team for 30 years.
  • i think there is ability, its just getting it out of them thats the problem.
  • That's the problem Suze.People THINK they have ability.Nobody actually knows.
    The majority of them have little experience at this level.
  • so, we're saying they don't have any experience, but then in the next breath we're saying that we should play JonJo, Wagstaff, Dickson et al, that equally don't have the experience.

    I posted this the other week but I remember when we were in the prem and people wanted zamora, eastwood, trundle and loads of other unproven lower league players. its all a gamble but a good mixture of new and old, experienced and inexperienced players. if we get the balance right, then fingers crossed it'll improve.
  • [quote][cite]Posted By: BigRedEvil[/cite]No matter what Pardew said at half time, their two goals after half time was just pure shit defending from our defence.[/quote]

    Totally agree, I think the one where Weaver dropped it was completely Hudson's fault, did not want to let him near the ball in fear of him making a misttake, that shows great trust between our centre halves and goalie, but lets not beat around the bush, as a team we were SHIT
  • [cite]Posted By: suzisausage[/cite]so, we're saying they don't have any experience, but then in the next breath we're saying that we should play JonJo, Wagstaff, Dickson et al, that equally don't have the experience.

    I posted this the other week but I remember when we were in the prem and people wanted zamora, eastwood, trundle and loads of other unproven lower league players. its all a gamble but a good mixture of new and old, experienced and inexperienced players. if we get the balance right, then fingers crossed it'll improve.

    Yep with Pardew we've rarely got that balance right, if at all.
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