Hi guys, just reading through the Pardew petition, I really can't understand where you're all coming from? Look at the squad Pards inherited from Curbs and Dowie, it was hardly premierleague material. Now take out Bent, Young, thomas, Zhi, El Karkouri, Rommedahl and Bougherra and you're basically left with the scraps ie. Fortune and co. How much money did we get from the sale of Bent? Now how much of that money has Pards had to strengthen the squad? Maybe a million here or there but lets face the facts, he's had all the heart and leadership ripped out olf the club and had to replace it with less than average players. In his first year in the Championship, he was forced to buy League 1 strikers, such was the money he was given. Have you ever heard the term, the fish rots at the head??
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dont talk twaddle he spent £2 million on Varney £1.75 million on gray and £1 million on McCleod.
Since then, how much has the club brought in ......?
That is quite contradictory.
You say that the squad that Pards found was "hardly Premier League material" but that "he's had all the heart and leadership ripped out olf the club"
BTW not sure in what why Rommehahl displayed either leadership or heart but that is beside the point.
He did inherit a mess and he did have to cut the playing budget when we went down but it was and is still at the top end of budgets for this league and so has underperformed. He has had a lot of money to spend on players both when we were in the Prem and when we were relegated. We got something like £11m for Bent. Pardew has spent money on strikers as set out above plus Zheng Zhi (£2m and who is still with us) Racon, McCarthy, Bailey and the numerous loans.
If those players he bought lacked heart and leadership then we do we look to for that? The players themselves of course but also the manager who bought them and has failed to weld them into a coherent and winning team.
This could also be applied to the manager :-)
I was somewhat remorseful after adding my name to the petition. The Barnsley performance really got to me after pinning my hopes on a performance that would reflect the game's importance in trying to turn things around.
It may well do that yet having given the team and management a reality check on how serious we feel the situation is.
They need to buck their ideas up and still do. Pardew and the team have a lot to prove before I have faith in them again.
I will continue to sing pro-Charlton songs and not boo.
Thatcher
Powell
Varney
Iwelumo
McCarthy
Yassin
Semedo
D Sinclair
Racon
Bailey
Gray
Toddy
McLeod
Dickson
Fleetwood
Weaver
Hudson
Christensen
Dorian Smith
Loan-Alex Song
Cook
Sinclair
Lita
Halford
Mills
Primus
Cranie
Bouazza
Pardews signings. Haven't missed anyone have I?
He has pretty much signed an entirely new squad over the past few years.
So - can you list who has left in that time?
M Bent
L Young
Rommedahl
Reid
Thomas
Faye
Ambrose
Thatcher
Powell
Iwelumo
Hasselbaink
McCarthy
Smith
Diawara
El Karkouri
CORY GIBBS
Kishishev
Hughes
I'm doing this off the top of my head btw.
You've done a good job!
On the loans front Sam Sodje and Mills in and out.
Sorry you had Mills.
Lisbie Out
That said, his recent comments at least suggest, if you're one of the one's who still believes what he says, that he's finally given up on his old ways and is trying something different. With that in mind I'm willing to give him a bit more time seeing as there are few affordable/attainable replacements out there who are likely to significantly improve things.
We need to be safely in mid-table again by Christmas though and I want to see us do it convincingly with a few solid wins where we dominate a couple of games and I want to see us looking organised and tougher to beat too so I can feel confident we won't slip back down the table again - even if we don't look like storming up it either.
If we're still rudderless and letting on water come the end of this month I might change my tune again but it sounds like there was genuine signs of progress (at last) at Plymouth so I'll give him one last chance try and build on that and turn it around. I don't even mind if we lose Saturday, so as long as we don't give away any soft goals and give them a game.
I can fully understand why others have completely lost patience and faith though.
What Exiled said.
Thatcher
Powell
Varney
Iwelumo
McCarthy
Yassin
Semedo
D Sinclair
Racon
Bailey
Gray
Toddy
McLeod
Dickson
Fleetwood
Weaver
Hudson
Christensen
Dorian Smith
Loan-Alex Song
Cook
Sinclair
Lita
Halford
Mills
Primus
Cranie
Bouazza
Pardews signings. Haven't missed anyone have I?
He has pretty much signed an entirely new squad over the past few years.[/quote]
ZZ
The leadership & heart was ripped out a while before that, the 2nd half of the last season of Curbs reign lacked any sort of focus or direction, & its been very very patchy ever since then.
If you think Thomas, Rommedahl, M Bent, Young(who left in his head a year before he actually did), El Karkouri & the like were the heart & leadership of Charlton, then you are a little misguided in your vision of Charlton of the past 2 years or so.
The fact is we HAD to sell Darren Bent, & the realistic line is that even if we didn't need to sell, he would've more than likely been prised away from us anyway, as a result of slipping into the slightly less appealing world of tier 2 football(domestic/interntaional career ambitions, etc, to think about).
The manager is there to develop the team, lead the team & inspire it to bleed for the cause. We have some good players at this club & should be way higher than we actually are. The Reading performance is an absolute testimony to that. Its a bit strange that we can go from that type of performance to some of the stuff we have been served up of late(Plymouth aside), & Pardew has definitely had a hand in that, allbeit with some misfortune with some injuries here & there.
I will be supporting the Reds whatever occurs this season, have done for 24 of my 30 years, through thick & thin. I hope Pardew can get us out of this mess, but if we take too many steps back after a baby step forward(Plymouth again) over the next few games, he has surely got to go.
I think spuds(Redknapps recent influence in command) & sad to say, the nigels of selhurschwitz(the amazing turnaround Warnock initiated last season) are testimony to clubs getting themselves in order with the type of manager who inspires heart & spirit into their teams play.
He HAS had the money, he HAS had his period of grace(several in fact), he HAS been backed by the board & supporters, so from here on out, there can be no more excuses.
In turning teams around, Pardew has done it with his past management tenures, once with us(our initial burst after his appointment, though not quite enough at the end), but he HAS to do it again(but without the same result) this time.
If not, then there will be no going easy, only going 'bye-bye'!(in the loosest terms;-)