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OK, We're in a mess - where do we go from here

edited November 2008 in General Charlton
My thoughts are this,

Stick with Pards, hes had some bad luck: Hes made some bad decisions: We cannot afford to get rid and I still belive he is a good manager and has the full respect of the players, The next match will tell us alot.

But what I want to know is your team to pick and stick with for the next 6-8 games to get us out of this mess, lets see how different this is to pards team

for me its

Weaver
MOo2
Hudson
Primus
Basey

Holland
Semedo
Wright

Bouzza
Varney

Todorov

Lets all pull together now and stick with what we've got. I think good times are coming maybe not for a while but they'll come

Comments

  • Please don't confuse that superclive with this supAclive ....

    He has mud in his eyes if he still thinks Pards is a good manager who's had some bad luck!
  • edited November 2008
    I went to my first game this season against Burnley and it was my 5 year olds first ever Charlton match.

    We had a left back playing in midfield (Basey) who had clearly been told that his main duty was to protect the guy playing in his position (Crainie) rather than to add width to the attack by getting forward. There was a total lack of confidence in the side with Bailey, Ambose and Wright playing as if they'd never trained with each other and totally unsure as to what their respective roles were. We had a forward (McCleod) who was so lacking in fitness that he hasn't been sighted since being taken off at half time. Yes things did improve in the second half but that was as much to do with the fact that Burnley sat back and invited us on as the changes forced upon Pardew.

    The first half display served to explain why we've scored so few goals. A negative attitude coupled with selecting players either woefully out of form or out of position can only end up becoming a self fulfilling prophecy. And that prophecy has become the norm week in week out judging by the stats and from what I've read on here. No amount of post match spin can change that as we've all become somewhat immune to your rather strange version of events.

    Wolves are top and yet they've let in 2 more goals than we have. Why? Because they attack the opposition and don't think that they're in the Premiership playing against the likes of Man Utd and Chelsea where you can't afford to give a goal away. I won't even mention their top scorer because we all know that he wouldn't have scored any where near that number playing for us - well not sitting on the bench anyway.

    So Pards let's see a change in attitude from you and the team. Let's see you playing the likes of Dickson who, despite your claim yesterday, you haven't given a chance to. Let's see you going 4 -3 -3 or even 4 - 2 - 4 and forgetting about keeping a clean sheet since we simply aren't good enough to do that. You never know we might actually start winning but, even if we don't, we will have given it a right go.
  • fair call, but what did dicko bring when he came on, I hope to god he proces me wrong but I can see why he isnt breaking in.
  • Weaver
    Moo2
    Semedo
    Hudson
    Basey

    Varney
    Bailey
    Holland
    Boozer

    Gray
    Dickson

    That'll do it for me. I've left out the short term loans cos if this did work out we'd need people who'll be around into the new year. My only concerns would be could Matty go the distance and Semedo at CB although we did by him as a CB but don't remember him starting a game there. Worth a punt!
  • Dicko's cameo was one of the worst individual cameo's i think i have ever seen.
  • [cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]Dicko's cameo was one of the worst individual cameo's i think i have ever seen.

    And Spurs fans were saying much the same about Darren B but, as he and Defoe have found, it is rather hard to impose yourself on a team that is always losing when you come on. I bet even Ian Wright looked rubbish at times before he was given a proper chance by Coppell.
  • NugNug
    edited November 2008
    I can't for the life of me see what bouazza brings to our team, he is on loan for a reason, he's poor and Fulham have absolutely no place for him not even as part of their squad. We should send him back.

    I have to say dickson looked well out of it but then not surprising, what a game to come into. I'd have had Gray and varney off at half time and put todorov and Dickson on then, might as well have given him a decent run, we weren't ever going to come back from that were we?
  • Dickson always looks woeful imho
  • Yes ,I have to agree Dicko never got into it , but what a dreadful game to try to improve. It didn't help that Gray and Ambrose were also playing as central stikers as well. Give the kid a proper chance with a few starts and then decide if he's good enough. The others have had more than enough chances.
  • yup he maybe deserves a go, everyone else has had one. However I think pards will be looking for the experienced players to get us out of this hole. Up front I think that means Gray as Toddy isnt a really a player for a crisis
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  • [cite]Posted By: Salad[/cite]Dickson always looks woeful imho

    I've seen many a forward in my lifetime who have looked woeful. One such striker goes by the name of Derek Hales who at times looked like he'd never seen a football in his life and on more than the odd occasion demontrated, with consumate ease, the art of having the first touch of an elephant.

    I rather suspect that Luton, having signed Killer for £4,000 from Dartford, regretted in years to come the fact that they let him go for half that a year later. We gave him a chance because we were desperate for someone who could find the net. Sounds familiar doesn't it?
  • Personally, I think Dickson is shit and will never break into the team at this level. He's a second or possibly first division striker at best, as is Fleetwood. Sadly, I fear McLeod and Varney are as well... which leaves us with Gray and Todorov
  • Just think that Dickson has that unpredictability about him. With a bit of a run he could surprise us. Granted he could sink without trace but nothing ventured nothing gained.
  • to be fair to dicko alot of the players look poor right now. my only feeling is we need a forward who can take the ball in to his feet and only toddy and gray seem to be capable of this.

    the lack of decent wide players seems to be the problem, if we could get decent service to our forwards I think we'd score goals. Basey can deliver a ball from a dead ball but needs to be more consistent in this, hes a must right now though for that alone. a good wide player has to be the key. Cant say I have the answer, maybe jonjo vould provide the vreativity we need but we cant and shouldnt put that pressure on such a young lad. last season there was sinclair,cook,thomas none of them did it although sinc's and cooky never got a chance. can we unearth someone now? Wayne routledge maybe ?
  • edited November 2008
    [cite]Posted By: Leroy Ambrose[/cite]Personally, I think Dickson is shit and will never break into the team at this level. He's a second or possibly first division striker at best, as is Fleetwood. Sadly, I fear McLeod and Varney are as well... which leaves us with Gray and Todorov

    Based on what exactly? Coming on for 10 minutes for us here and there? Dickson scored 11 from 11 starts last season playing for Gillingham in League 1 last year for a team that got relegated.

    The proof of the pudding for a striker is how many goals he scores for you and not how good he looks on the ball. Varney looks the business but he's had 38 starts in the League (plus 16 as sub) during which time he's mustered just 10 goals and just 2 from 15 starts this season. Micky "Sumo" Quinn looked anything but a footballer but managed 230 goals in 490 games. I know which of the two I would prefer right now.
  • [cite]Posted By: Leroy Ambrose[/cite]Personally, I think Dickson is shit and will never break into the team at this level. He's a second or possibly first division striker at best, as is Fleetwood. Sadly, I fear McLeod and Varney are as well... which leaves us with Gray and Todorov

    That's pretty grim reading but sadly may not be too far from the truth.
  • [cite]Posted By: superclive[/cite] I think good times are coming maybe not for a while but they'll come

    but by the time they come it'll be too late
  • its never to late! Is there a chance we could still get a buyer? who knows.
  • Toddy is probably the best footballer we've got. If he gets a run of games, he will score. He needs to be 100% though and he can;t get there on the bench.
  • AFKA was out of the ground by the time Dicko came on was it worse than McCammon??
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  • [cite]Posted By: Addick Addict[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Leroy Ambrose[/cite]Personally, I think Dickson is shit and will never break into the team at this level. He's a second or possibly first division striker at best, as is Fleetwood. Sadly, I fear McLeod and Varney are as well... which leaves us with Gray and Todorov

    Based on what exactly? Coming on for 10 minutes for us here and there? Dickson scored 11 from 11 starts last season playing for Gillingham in League 1 last year for a team that got relegated.

    The proof of the pudding for a striker is how many goals he scores for you and not how good he looks on the ball. Varney looks the business but he's had 38 starts in the League (plus 16 as sub) during which time he's mustered just 10 goals and just 2 from 15 starts this season. Micky "Sumo" Quinn looked anything but a footballer but managed 230 goals in 490 games. I know which of the two I would prefer right now.

    I'd like to see Dicko have a go but he scored quite a few of his Gillingham goals in the Johnstone Paint thing when a lot of clubs put out largely reserve teams.

    I'm not sure his league record was that good. That said I'd give him a start or two just to see what he can do. Ten or fifteen minutes in a team losing 3-0 or 3-1 isn't fair to him or us.
  • nope nothing worse than that and dicko looked lively at ipswich
  • The problem with Gray and Todorov as a partnership is their combined top speed is 8 mph.....
  • edited November 2008
    Take a look at the names on this link and the player appearing in 30th place. He can't have got that accolade playing for us can he?

    http://www.hull.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=102190
  • [cite]Posted By: pickwick[/cite]AFKA was out of the ground by the time Dicko came on was it worse than McCammon??

    Put it this way, i don't think you would get a good comment out of a team mate. I was watching him carefully, he was frequently in the wrong position, offered little work rate or desire to close the ball, showed a poor first touch, and held the ball too long, or was too selfish when an easier option was on. He simply wasn't playing as a team player, which is fine when you produce individual brilliance, but not when nothing comes off.

    Just my opinion though.
  • [cite]Posted By: Addick Addict[/cite]Take a look at the names on this link and the player appearing in 30th place. He can't have got that accolade playing for us can he?

    http://www.hull.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=102190


    FourFourTwo`s 50 Best Football League Players
    1. Kevin Phillips, West Brom: Football League Player of the Year
    2. Andy Gray, Charlton
    3. Michael Kightly, Wolves: Football League Young Player of the Year
    4. Jon Greening, West Brom
    5. Zheng Zhi, Charlton
    6. James Beattie, Sheffield United
    7. Clinton Morrison, Crystal Palace
    8. Dean Windass, Hull City
    9. Michael Mifsud, Coventry
    10. Zoltan Gera, West Brom
    11. Robert Koren, West Brom
    12. David Norris, Plymouth
    13. Adriano Basso, Bristol City
    14. Wes Hoolahan, Blackpool
    15. Ricardo Fuller, Stoke
    16. Brian Howard, Barnsley
    17. Akos Buzsaky, QPR
    18. Andy Keogh, Wolves
    19. Jay DeMerit, Watford
    20. Paul Robinson, West Brom
    21. Dan Shittu, Watford
    22. Wayne Hennessey, Wolves
    23. Ryan Shawcross, Stoke
    24. Jermaine Beckford, Leeds: League One Player of the Year
    25. Chris Iwelumo, Charlton
    26. Sylvan Ebanks-Blake, Wolves
    27. Jonathan Walters, Ipswich
    28. Darius Henderson, Watford
    29. Liam Lawrence, Stoke
    30. Chris Dickson, Charlton
    31. Lee Trundle, Bristol City
    32. Jason Scotland, Swansea
    33. Lee Camp, QPR
    34. Marvin Elliott, Bristol City
    35. Peter Halmosi, Plymouth
    36. Joe Garner, Carlisle
    37. Andrew Surman, Southampton
    38. Keith Andrews, MK Dons: League Two Player of the Year
    39. Mark Hudson, Crystal Palace
    40. Jack Lester, Chesterfield
    41. Filipe Teixeira, West Brom
    42. Aaron McLean, Peterborough
    43. Joe Ledley, Cardiff City
    44. Kris Commons, Nottingham Forest
    45. Jason Puncheon, Barnet
    46. Casper Ankergren, Leeds
    47. Andy Robinson, Swansea
    48. Richie Wellens, Doncaster
    49. Anthony Gerrard, Walsall
    50. Derek Holmes, Rotherham

    Have they got a list of the best managers....?
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