[cite]Posted By: Weegie Addick[/cite]Agree with every word, SHG. I have still seen no evidence that AP is getting better...in fact, most things point to him getting worse...it feels to me like it has gone beyond a redeemable situation, unfortunately.
Fantastic, problem is, there is NOTHING we can do about this, so why can't everyone stop crying about the situation (that we can do jack about) and get behind the team with some positive energy.
Exactly. All this "Pardew out stuff" is fair enough on internet forums but during game??? For heaven sake lets get behind the team because an attack on the manager is an attack on the team and that can only be counter-productive!!!
Getting Pardew out and getting behind the team are for me not tied together in any way. I never boo any Charlton team and deplore those who do. However, Like I said earlier I think the teams poor displays lie very heavily at the feet of Alan Pardew. Sorry but I do think that if the team is fragile and lacking in confidence then it is mostly the managers and coaching staffs fault. Yes lets get behind the team on saturday but not be blind to the fact that we are now worse than we were this time last year and I for one cannot see any real sign of improvement. Disagree that we are stuck with Pards because we can`t afford to get rid. IMHO we cannot afford not to get rid. Relegation is looming chaps. Wake up and smell the coffee as the saying goes.
Last year with all the new faces i thought ok give the guy sometime and maybe he will get his best 11 at somestage------- didnt happen. This year again alot of new faces , but people said a smaller squad will help Pards find his best 11 ---------------well it hasnt happened yet. The guy seems totaly lost. Change for change sake is just chaos .
As for peeps trying to spin 2 points in last 2 games as a real sign of upward mobility , surely thats a bigger sign of us all knowing we truely are in the smely stuff and straw clutching ?
Pards ---------------needs to go. Billy Davies in.
[cite]Posted By: Goonerhater[/cite]Last year with all the new faces i thought ok give the guy sometime and maybe he will get his best 11 at somestage
didnt happen. This year again alot of new faces , but people said a smaller squad will help Pards find his best 11
well it hasnt happened yet. The guy seems totaly lost. Change for change sake is just chaos .
As for peeps trying to spin 2 points in last 2 games as a real sign of upward mobility , surely thats a bigger sign of us all knowing we truely are in the smely stuff and straw clutching ?
Pards
needs to go. Billy Davies in.
As far as this post is concerned, for me, first two para's are nail on the head. I have supported Pardew all the way and will continue to do so all the time he is our manager. I am really really hoping that he can turn it around but deep down I don't think he is the man to do it..............................oh to be proved wrong!!!
Who is the man to do it?..............Feck knows..........
re billy davies.
didn't he turn it down because he wanted to bring in his own people but we wanted some sort of cafc continuity within the coaching set up?
if it was the control of transfers, then imo he wont touch us.
as mentioned a few weeks ago, if we were in the position where we needed a new manager, i think mark bowen should be seriously considered.
I think he's a great shout but we'd have to pay a release - can't see it
I just think Pardew needs to be made to realise that regardless of the likes of Gray, Ambrose, Youga etc. who are CLEAR underperformers, it is my opinion that since last December or so, the number one under-achiever at our football club has been him. regardless of transfer policy out of his control etc. his tactics/selection and soundbites are just not up to scratch. He needs to pull his finger out with the help of Mr. Murray and the other experienced campaigners and that begins with keeping his mouth shut and instilling continuity and a team ethic... we cannot have eleven players fighting for each other and fighting for the club and the fans every week if four of them are different each game.
I don't know how we would go about replacing him, but Pardew has shown himself to be a shit manager, pure and simple.
Getting a new manager in often has an immediate benefit (and we need to see an improvement very quickly). I now would take that chance as Pardew has had long enough to try and make it work and I really now think that he IS as clueless as he appears. Time for someone else to have a go.
And Mr Block, please just piss off - I hope you never get within a mile of Murray and Co because I'd hate for them to see just how ungrateful and moronic some of our fans are. If they left, then we would REALLY be in the shit.
'jimmymelrose' has been over from France and has seen the last two performances. I think his views, when he posts them on his return, are quite telling. It's interesting to hear the views of someone who is a little detached from seeing us play week in, week out.
From my point of view I am with Razil in that we have a decent enough squad but are not getting nowhere near enough out of it. That is down to one man only. Things need to improve dramatically over the next few weeks but I'm already of the opinion that Pardew doesn't have a clue what he is doing or is even close to what he feels is his best eleven.
Before the Burnley game the last game I saw was Wolves (H) on September 13th... close-season aside that's by far my longest absence from CAFC since my dad first took me when i was about 2 years old.
I remembered playing footy in the park at about 10 or 11 and thought our team had more cohesion and bottle than that first half display. As someone that hasn't seen a minute of any performance since that Wolves game I cannot believe how far backwards we've come - first half we battered the league leaders! Second half we turned it around and I'm begging for some consistency in performance and selection, with guys like Bailey and Hudson we cannot surely fail to instill some fight into our team. I return on Dec 19th and hope to be on the train up to Carrow Road the next day to watch another completely changed team in terms of psychology.
Agree with those who see the problems as a mental rather than ability one. The players are currently all over the place, they need someone to get their heads screwed on right. Pardew may be the guy to do that, he may not, but they need persuading that they can play as a team again by someone.
[cite]Posted By: bigstemarra[/cite]And Mr Block, please just piss off - I hope you never get within a mile of Murray and Co because I'd hate for them to see just how ungrateful and moronic some of our fans are. If they left, then we would REALLY be in the shit.
Why should I be grateful when the club is in the worst shit for nearly 20 years? Why should I be grateful for a group of individuals who during the past three years have taken an established premiership club to one that is one that looks like being relegated again.
They don't have bottomless pockets Charlie, yes they screwed up on Dowie and on Reed but don't you think they know that? Don't you think they hurt and blame themselves that "their baby" is in the state it's in at the moment after years of blood and sweat and probably tears they've put into rescuing us and then turning us around. I think they are probably every bit as upset, disappointed and disillusioned as any of us. I for one am grateful for the Premiership years. What an experience. Who honestly thought in 1994 we would be back at OT in 4 and a half years year in year out as a league game? Get real, we are f****** Charlton... always maligned, always forgotten, always belittled but who cares? It's always going to be about our club, we'll fight on and wherever we play next season we will be there.
personally I think we need to show a little bit of respect and give benefit of the doubt when referring to the Board, I think its possible to point out their mistakes and still do this.
My understanding was that we said no to Billy Davies?
Hence he came out in the papers saying that we didn't respond to him or tell him officially "No" and that he only found out he hadn't got the job when Dowie was appointed?
From what I remember from a fans meeting with Richard Murray. Billy Davies was offered the job, but didn't return a call to say whether he accepted or not. Davies had even been to the Valley, and for example was deciding whether to change the dug outs round so he could give jip to the linesman. Murray thought Davies had bottled it, with the pressure of going after Curbs
Without the directors putting their own money into the club, we would not have survived Selhurst, not have lived the premiership dream and not have a club to argue about right now.
Like has been said, they are just as disappointed as any of us that things didn't go to plan - but they only ever did what they thought was best for Charlton.
[cite]Posted By: bigstemarra[/cite]Without the directors putting their own money into the club, we would not have survived Selhurst, not have lived the premiership dream and not have a club to argue about right now.
Like has been said, they are just as disappointed as any of us that things didn't go to plan - but they only ever did what they thought was best for Charlton.
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Exactly. All this "Pardew out stuff" is fair enough on internet forums but during game??? For heaven sake lets get behind the team because an attack on the manager is an attack on the team and that can only be counter-productive!!!
Who you calling a plastic?
Thought that one was a bit rich, I am sure he did not mean you though steve. :-)
As for peeps trying to spin 2 points in last 2 games as a real sign of upward mobility , surely thats a bigger sign of us all knowing we truely are in the smely stuff and straw clutching ?
Pards ---------------needs to go. Billy Davies in.
If he didn't want the job before, why would he now?
As far as this post is concerned, for me, first two para's are nail on the head. I have supported Pardew all the way and will continue to do so all the time he is our manager. I am really really hoping that he can turn it around but deep down I don't think he is the man to do it..............................oh to be proved wrong!!!
Who is the man to do it?..............Feck knows..........
didn't he turn it down because he wanted to bring in his own people but we wanted some sort of cafc continuity within the coaching set up?
if it was the control of transfers, then imo he wont touch us.
as mentioned a few weeks ago, if we were in the position where we needed a new manager, i think mark bowen should be seriously considered.
it was a joke hence the wink!
I think he's a great shout but we'd have to pay a release - can't see it
I just think Pardew needs to be made to realise that regardless of the likes of Gray, Ambrose, Youga etc. who are CLEAR underperformers, it is my opinion that since last December or so, the number one under-achiever at our football club has been him. regardless of transfer policy out of his control etc. his tactics/selection and soundbites are just not up to scratch. He needs to pull his finger out with the help of Mr. Murray and the other experienced campaigners and that begins with keeping his mouth shut and instilling continuity and a team ethic... we cannot have eleven players fighting for each other and fighting for the club and the fans every week if four of them are different each game.
lol I would never call anyone who supports CAFC a plastic in a serious manner!
At the end of the day however much some people moan, they still support charlton! Sorry if i offended NSS not my intention lol!
Getting a new manager in often has an immediate benefit (and we need to see an improvement very quickly). I now would take that chance as Pardew has had long enough to try and make it work and I really now think that he IS as clueless as he appears. Time for someone else to have a go.
And Mr Block, please just piss off - I hope you never get within a mile of Murray and Co because I'd hate for them to see just how ungrateful and moronic some of our fans are. If they left, then we would REALLY be in the shit.
From my point of view I am with Razil in that we have a decent enough squad but are not getting nowhere near enough out of it. That is down to one man only. Things need to improve dramatically over the next few weeks but I'm already of the opinion that Pardew doesn't have a clue what he is doing or is even close to what he feels is his best eleven.
Before the Burnley game the last game I saw was Wolves (H) on September 13th... close-season aside that's by far my longest absence from CAFC since my dad first took me when i was about 2 years old.
I remembered playing footy in the park at about 10 or 11 and thought our team had more cohesion and bottle than that first half display. As someone that hasn't seen a minute of any performance since that Wolves game I cannot believe how far backwards we've come - first half we battered the league leaders! Second half we turned it around and I'm begging for some consistency in performance and selection, with guys like Bailey and Hudson we cannot surely fail to instill some fight into our team. I return on Dec 19th and hope to be on the train up to Carrow Road the next day to watch another completely changed team in terms of psychology.
If the manager's psychology is wrong, then that's his fault, obviously.
And if the player's psychology is wrong, then that's the manager's fault too!
Preparation + opportunity = success
What in the preparation, tactics and motivation of the team is going wrong?
We can guess. But really we need the man himself to tell us.
Or put it right !
This isn't even the worst in the last 20 years
Hence he came out in the papers saying that we didn't respond to him or tell him officially "No" and that he only found out he hadn't got the job when Dowie was appointed?
Like has been said, they are just as disappointed as any of us that things didn't go to plan - but they only ever did what they thought was best for Charlton.
I for one am glad they are still around.
Hear, Hear.