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No future at the Valley

edited October 2008 in General Charlton
Some of you may recall that I predicted the Dubai takeover a couple of years ago.
Whilst the names are diffrent, this is the same group which brought out P&O in 2006. One of the principal assets aquired in that takeover was the former Shell Haven site, now called ‘London Gateway’, as yet undeveloped but set to become Europes largest port. The new owners have always seen a synergy between ‘London Gateway’ and ‘Thames Gateway’, the Goverments corridor of new housing along the Thames. Richard Murry in turn has always seen the ‘Thames Gateway’ as a potential source of support and ticket sales.
To help overcome local opposition and push through the port development , the people from Dubai see some form of community involement as critical ( Goverments like it ), hence the Charlton involvement. Great you might think, but they see a home to ‘their’ football club a little nearer to their port as even more desirable, and with an Olympic stadium just down the road and becoming vacant just at the time when their port starts to come on stream, it seems that our future at the Valley may be limited.
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  • You fatbastard ..... don't spoil our day!

    ;o)
  • edited October 2008
    it seems like you are reading 2+2 and getting 137 in your head.

    Who knows what is round the corner in 10, 20, 30 years time. There may well be a time for some reason or another, we may need to leave The Valley. It would be ridiculously blinkered to believe otherwise.

    But it will not happen anytime soon, and certainly won't happen if we remain a club of this current stature.
  • No, don't remember you predicting that or any of this before. haven't you just signed on here?

    "while the names are different it is the same group" Classic
  • The one thing that I cannot help but wonder about is the "promotion offer", in the past all thses so called sugar daddies have upped prices not given them away free. Not sure the promise will please them
  • [cite]Posted By: cfgs[/cite]The one thing that I cannot help but wonder about is the "promotion offer", in the past all thses so called sugar daddies have upped prices not given them away free. Not sure the promise will please them

    Richard Murray says it stands.
  • [cite]Posted By: cfgs[/cite]The one thing that I cannot help but wonder about is the "promotion offer", in the past all thses so called sugar daddies have upped prices not given them away free. Not sure the promise will please them

    The free season ticket will be documented and be part of the due diligence being spoken about elsewhere and therefore accounted for in the price. I am 100% confident it will be honoured.
  • edited October 2008
    [cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: cfgs[/cite]The one thing that I cannot help but wonder about is the "promotion offer", in the past all thses so called sugar daddies have upped prices not given them away free. Not sure the promise will please them

    Richard Murray says it stands.

    Yes mate I guessed it would but I was simply saying it would not make us more attractive, oh and not trying to be a creep but i loved your response to the Foreign Money question on Sky
    [cite]Posted By: Brunello[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: cfgs[/cite]The one thing that I cannot help but wonder about is the "promotion offer", in the past all thses so called sugar daddies have upped prices not given them away free. Not sure the promise will please them

    The free season ticket will be documented and be part of the due diligence being spoken about elsewhere and therefore accounted for in the price. I am 100% confident it will be honoured.

    So am I
  • Well if you predicted it on here - post a link to the discussion to prove as such.
  • I predict Pardew will leave the club one day, and the sun will rise tomorrow. Crap I must be nostradamus or something.
  • I'm not as doom-monger about it as FatBastard, but I can see where his concerns come from.
    In the article in the UAE paper (likely to be closest to the truth, i imagine), it explicitly states that one of the attractions is the Olympics plus the potential to either further develop the stadium at The Valley, or to develop it as prime real estate - I'm astonished that no-one else has commented on this. And don't forget that Man City have the Commonwealth Games stadium, plus the London 2012 committee will be desperate for someone to take the stadium on. 2+2=5, maybe.
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  • But the Olympics are coming to Greenwich.

    They are legitimate questions to ask but ask them don't make silly speculation backed with dubious facts ala Fatbastard.

    Cheers CFGS, was hard when Sky threw that question at me. Sneaky journos!
  • [cite]Posted By: razil[/cite]I predict Pardew will leave the club one day, and the sun will rise tomorrow. Crap I must be nostradamus or something.

    Amazing. I think you are a genius : - )
  • look we will be at the valley for a while and hopefully they will develop it and THEN when we are the dominant force in London england and mars we can then think about a new stadium at buckingham palace ...
  • edited October 2008
    Quintain are looking for new partners on the Pennisula, so they might be interested in linking us into that, AEG are looking for a partner for the new hotel next to the O2, so they might be interested in that. Who knows, the deal hopefully will be done in the next few weeks, and I'm waiting for the full facts to emerge
  • I predict Susan Jordan will stay orange and the spanners will be crap.
  • edited October 2008
    I was pondering the Valley question last night

    The main issues as i see it are limited transport and capacity development. Assuming these investors want to hang around they will want to have a at least 60k stadium at some point. We aren't that well serviced to the level that Arsenal are or even Chelsea are for transport links. I think these are more serious issues than the geography itself.

    However there is nothing to stop the developers buying up all the relatively cheap property in the vicinity. And don't forget the council will be creaming it to bend over backwards for this sort of investment in the area as may the powers that be in transport.
  • One thing that has come out of this on a personal note is that my wife may divorce me, she says I was bad enough when I was depressed about our club now I am unbearable. Also i have told my boy to tell everyone he was a fan before we got minted, he is only 14 months though
  • Arsenal well serviced by transport links !!!! having a laugh


    anyway they are just a small team in North London
  • this will be in the press soon.... locked on!!

    'Charlton fans unhappy at proposed valley move....'
  • edited October 2008
    GH - two tube stations, local rail and a mainline railway station.. anyone would think you had an axe to grind mate.

    I think the headline should be Charlton Fans Unhappy at Pie increases - cos if we start having to pay what they do at the washing up bowl, I mean Emirates, I shall personally be manning the barricades.
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  • and with some small changes the Valley could be better served by public transport, sorting out the buses upto North Greenwich and making the Jubilee line more useable on a match day would be a start
  • more park and ride perhaps?
  • edited October 2008
    [cite]Posted By: razil[/cite]. Assuming these investors want to hang around they will want to have a at least 60k stadium at some point.
    Personally I would not expect them to have any such plans, sure they could well invest a lot and we might see a 40k stadium at The Valley in less than ten years, but I seriously doubt they could think we can become a title-winning, 60k club in the forseeable future.
  • i think i need to sellmy flat before this 60k stadium goes up!!

    anyone want to buy a one bed flat over looking the valley? great views of the West Stand from the kitchen
  • [cite]Posted By: Curb_It[/cite]
    great views of the West Stand from the kitchen

    ...For the time being
  • are you referring to one of the East Stand Tier 4 executive suites?
  • edited October 2008
    The question was about the future of the Valley, what I'm saying is the capacity or potential is the largest factor in that, after all these guys may want a return on their investment.. We don't of course know what level of investment is coming but I can imagine expansion will be on the cards immediatley on any return to top flight status for that reason - you simply can't compete at this level without a much larger capacity as we found out, and who would invest in that unless that potential was there.

    Incidentally, if I recall correctly the plans for the move to the dome site included potential to reach 60k (45k initially) or am I wrong? - and I don't think that level is about winning the premier league necessarily either.

    I believe what we may be looking at here is the beginning of a smaller franchised premier league dominated by fewer larger clubs, OK hardly rocket science, but this is about us being in the southeast of the capital as much as anything.
  • [cite]Posted By: Valley McMoist[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Curb_It[/cite]
    great views of the West Stand from the kitchen

    ...For the time being
    very true. once the east stand joins the South and that goes up - ill be looking at a brick wall.
  • edited October 2008
    But as brick walls go, it will be rather nice Curb_it!
  • [quote][cite]Posted By: Curb_It[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: Valley McMoist[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: Curb_It[/cite]
    great views of the West Stand from the kitchen[/quote]

    ...For the time being[/quote]
    very true. once the east stand joins the South and that goes up - ill be looking at a brick wall.[/quote]

    On recent performances, possibly an advantage.......

    ;o)
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