How our old "boys" did at the weekend

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Any number of our "through the ranks" kids who have moved on seemed to get a mention over the weekend so I thought I'd compile a list (I like lists) of all those that I could find.

There are others no doubt so please feel free to add them. I've not included the too many to mention ex players who weren't apprentices with us,those that are currently injured or those who are still with us (or loaned at).

Jason Brown (Blackburn)- despite being on the losing side kept very well against Man Utd
JLloyd Samuel (Bolton)- played in win against the Hammers
Danny Shittu (Bolton)- unused sub in above game
Scotty Parker (West Ham)- on losing side in Bolton game
Paul Konchesky (Fulham)- on losing side in defeat against WBA
Michael Turner (Hull)- again proving that he may be "the one that got away" in helping Hull to clean sheet & win v Spurs
Jermaine Defoe (Portsmouth)- scored winner against Stoke

Linvoy Primus (Portsmouth)- solid effort in our win against Ipswich
Jamel Campbell-Ryce (Barnsley)- scored wonder goal in 4-1 against Doncaster

George Boyd (Peterboro')- all action performance in big win against title contenders Leeds

Myles Weston (Notts County)- scored winner at Port Vale
Scott McGleish (Wycombe)- scored in 3-1 victory against Bournemouth
Charlie MacDonald (Brentford)- scored only goal in win against Macclesfield
James Walker (southend)- unused sub

Thommo

Tony Barness played a full 90 got booked and missed a few chances in Lewes' 0-0 result away at Grays

Addick Addict

true but with all due respect to the conference we might end up including those currently playing vets football on a Saturday!!!

pete_tong1

Bryan Hughes sub for hull could do a job with us. a creative midfielder.

Addick Addict

lol - I was unaware Bryan Hughes was an apprentice with us!!!

shirty5

Did not know that George Boyd was with us as a kid.

Addick Addict

Read about it today. He was with us between ages of 9 and 15. Signed by Peterboro' from Stevenage for £260,000 which, relatively speaking, is rather a lot given what we paid for Dickson and Fleetwood.

Ketman

[cite]Posted By: Addick Addict[/cite]Michael Turner (Hull)- again proving that he may be "the one that got away" in helping Hull to clean sheet & win v Spurs

Same Micheal Turner who was hopeless at the Valley in the FA Cup for Brentford when Darren Bent roasted him all game.

You cannot legislate for letting players go then finally come good 3 or 4 years later. We gave Lisbie 10 years after all !

SoundAsa£

[cite]Posted By: Ketman[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: Addick Addict[/cite]Michael Turner (Hull)- again proving that he may be "the one that got away" in helping Hull to clean sheet & win v Spurs

Same Micheal Turner who was hopeless at the Valley in the FA Cup for Brentford when Darren Bent roasted him all game.

You cannot legislate for letting players go then finally come good 3 or 4 years later. We gave Lisbie 10 years after all !

I wouldn't mind betting that just about every club in the top two leagues can come up with a similar scenario.

Heath Hero

With all the fuss about Reid going last year, I've heard very little about him this season. Is he actually playing for Sunderland? I know that he's scored bugger all points for my fantasy team!

Charlton Dan

[cite]Posted By: Ketman[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: Addick Addict[/cite]Michael Turner (Hull)- again proving that he may be "the one that got away" in helping Hull to clean sheet & win v Spurs

Same Micheal Turner who was hopeless at the Valley in the FA Cup for Brentford when Darren Bent roasted him all game.

I thought it was Marcus that was good at roasting...........

F-Blocker

[cite]Posted By: Charlton Dan[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: Ketman[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: Addick Addict[/cite]Michael Turner (Hull)- again proving that he may be "the one that got away" in helping Hull to clean sheet & win v Spurs

Same Micheal Turner who was hopeless at the Valley in the FA Cup for Brentford when Darren Bent roasted him all game.

I thought it was Marcus that was good at roasting...........

Nah, it was Carlton Cole wasn't it?

Addick Addict

Forgot Boyd scored as well so that's six of our former kids that did so for the winning team to boot. Not many Clubs can boast that proud record I would suggest.

Scoham

You missed Sankofa, an unused sub for Southend. Walker did get on as a sub.

In the same game Kieran Murtagh was an unused sub for Yeovil.

Turner is hardly 'the one that got away', he wasn't good enough for us a Premier League club when we let him go.

Henry Irving

Two of our ex youngsters are playing at Kilmarnock. Simon Ford and Donovan Simmonds

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[quote][cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]You missed Sankofa, an unused sub for Southend. Walker did get on as a sub.

In the same game Kieran Murtagh was an unused sub for Yeovil.

Turner is hardly 'the one that got away', he wasn't good enough for us a Premier League club when we let him go.[/quote]

Thanks I will add those to the list.

As for Turner the fact that he wasn't considered good enough for the Premiership at that time doesn't mean that he isn't "the one that got away". Peter Beardsley was released by Man Utd without making a league appearance but I bet, years later when he was scoring against them, the management at United might just have believed they made a mistake. Turner was also never given a game whereas Jonathan Fortune, a few years earlier, was given an opportunity. I would guesstimate that Turner is probably now worth ten times Fortune.

No club is always going to get it right as QPR clearly didn't with Nicky Bailey. But please let's not pretend that it wasn't a mistake to let Turner go just because he's doing the business at unfashionable Hull especially when we having to beg, steal and borrow to find a decent centre back to play alongside Hudson.

Exiled_Addick

Turner left years ago, if we were still established in the Prem we'd have players just as good if not better. The fact we signed so many pony players after he left and ended up relegated is irrelevant. Part of the reason he's developed is he left and played regular football, he might never have got enough games at Charlton to turn into what he has. They're only one's that got away if they turn out to be good enough shorlty after we let them go and at the same level we were at when we released them. I don't think we've really released anyone recently that has serioulsy come back to bite us on the arse.

Addick Addict

[cite]Posted By: Exiled_Addick[/cite]Turner left years ago, if we were still established in the Prem we'd have players just as good if not better. The fact we signed so many pony players after he left and ended up relegated is irrelevant. Part of the reason he's developed is he left and played regular football, he might never have got enough games at Charlton to turn into what he has. They're only one's that got away if they turn out to be good enough shorlty after we let them go and at the same level we were at when we released them. I don't think we've really released anyone recently that has serioulsy come back to bite us on the arse.

Seriously how many players at any club can you think of that have been released on a free in the Premiership and "shortly after" were seen to be a mistake. Doesn't happen and so my argument that the reason he was potentially good enough is because he's now playing in the Premiership and holding his own against the likes of Arsenal. The fact is that we released Turner for nothing and just over 18 months later he was sold by Brentford for £350,000 and history has shown that Hull got a bargain at that price.

So, in less than four years he's gone from being worth nothing to £5,000,000 plus. Has he really come on that much or is just that we didn't give him the opportunity? As for biting us on the arse if he'd stayed he might just have helped us to stay up but had we still gone down he would have been a fixture in the side especially when you consider that the lad played 50 games last season in a side that gained promotion to the Premiership. The two facts might just be connected.

Leroy Ambrose

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[cite]Posted By: Exiled_Addick[/cite]Turner left years ago, if we were still established in the Prem we'd have players just as good if not better. The fact we signed so many pony players after he left and ended up relegated is irrelevant. Part of the reason he's developed is he left and played regular football, he might never have got enough games at Charlton to turn into what he has. They're only one's that got away if they turn out to be good enough shorlty after we let them go and at the same level we were at when we released them. I don't think we've really released anyone recently that has serioulsy come back to bite us on the arse.

Seriously how many players at any club can you think of that have been released on a free in the Premiership and "shortly after" were seen to be a mistake. Doesn't happen and so my argument that the reason he was potentially good enough is because he's now playing in the Premiership and holding his own against the likes of Arsenal. The fact is that we released Turner for nothing and just over 18 months later he was sold by Brentford for £350,000 and history has shown that Hull got a bargain at that price.

So, in less than four years he's gone from being worth nothing to £5,000,000 plus. Has he really come on that much or is just that we didn't give him the opportunity? As for biting us on the arse if he'd stayed he might just have helped us to stay up but had we still gone down he would have been a fixture in the side especially when you consider that the lad played 50 games last season in a side that gained promotion to the Premiership. The two facts might just be connected.

Fella - did you go to the cup game against Brentford? Benty absolutely f***ing mullered him that game - it was embarrassing to watch at times. The lad's done well to make a career for himself at Hull, but there wouldn't have been a single soul in that crowd - Bees fans included - who would have thought we'd made a ricket letting him go for sod all. That afternoon he looked like what he was when we let him go - a (very) average third-tier defender.

HandG

Also a few good games doesn't make a centre half worth £5m+.

HandG

Thought of another youth player-Paul Smith at Forest.

Exiled_Addick

There's the lad at Ipswich too, is it Hayes?

Addick Addict

"Fella - did you go to the cup game against Brentford? Benty absolutely f***ing mullered him that game - it was embarrassing to watch at times. The lad's done well to make a career for himself at Hull, but there wouldn't have been a single soul in that crowd - Bees fans included - who would have thought we'd made a ricket letting him go for sod all. That afternoon he looked like what he was when we let him go - a (very) average third-tier defender."

And did you see Vidic in his first few games for Man Utd 'cos he looked like a clown? Every duck is entitled to become a swan and possibly the lad is now a swan. Time will tell.

Addick Addict

[quote][cite]Posted By: Exiled_Addick[/cite]There's the lad at Ipswich too, is it Hayes?[/quote]

Danny Haynes is the lad in question.

Addick Addict

"Also a few good games doesn't make a centre half worth £5m+."

Well Messrs Owen (20m), Yakubu (15m), Adebayor (25m) and Bent (16.5m) couldn't score against him (3 of them playing at home) so he must be worth a few bob more than we let him go for. At least 3m if they were to sell him today imho.

Scoham

Turner isn't a £5m player - at least not yet. Could have easily been Fortune who ended up in the Premier League, but he didn't sign for Stoke. I don't think there's that much between them, Fortune has just never found any consistency, never really had a full season as a regular in the team. He's had games himself where he's kept out big name strikers.

If Turner 'got away', what about Shittu?

Danny Haynes is one that got away - we released him at 15/16, he didn't even get a couple of years in the u18s, nevermind sign a pro contract, unlike so many do that are now playing in the Conference or below (Alastair John for example).

When we let Turner go, he wasn't good enough, I'm sure we knew he'd most likely improve, but we were comfortable in the Premier League, and Turner would never have developed if he stayed.

Has he really come on that much or is just that we didn't give him the opportunity? As for biting us on the arse if he'd stayed he might just have helped us to stay up but had we still gone down he would have been a fixture in the side especially when you consider that the lad played 50 games last season in a side that gained promotion to the Premiership. The two facts might just be connected.

Yes he probably has come on that much. He had 2 years in League One, and two in the Championship. That's well over 100 games. That's a lot of experience for a young player, especially a centre back, no doubt he learnt a lot in that time. Fortune would have most likely had a similar career if we let him go.

Not as if Turner has gone on to play for England or moved to a big club, him and his club have had a good start to their first Prem season, he's not proven anything yet.

Addick Addict

"Not as if Turner has gone on to play for England or moved to a big club, him and his club have had a good start to their first Prem season, he's not proven anything yet."

Yet.

LenGlover

We knew Turner's game inside out when we met Brentford in the cup because he was a former player and Curbs instructed Darren Bent to run at him.

Turner is still a bit of an unknown quantity in the prem and I wouldn't be surprised to see people run at him like Bent did when playing for us before too much longer.

Hull will come under increasing scrutiny because of their excellent start and that will be the real test.

Addick Addict

A very fair assessment Len.

I would just like to point out to all & sundry that I did say "he MAY be "the one that got away"" and not that it definitely WAS a mistake to let him go.

March51

Noticed that besides Lisbie's double for Colchester, Bothroyd knocked one in for Cardiff and Waghorn one for Leicester. A Sean Newton was sent off for Barrow (is it our Newton?) and Jamie Stuart scored an O.G for Aldershot. One question: do we treat all last season's loanees as old boys?

ChicagoAddick

Myles Weston got two for Brentford.