Last season we got a big loanee from a Prem side a playing right back, who was slow, iffy defensively and poor going forward. Now we have another, together with a lightweight winger and an OK but limited centre-half, just like last year. If we're going to finish mid table or flirt with the drop, I'd rather pack the loanees back home and use our own.
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a) that we are bringing in the wrong players - Cranie & Primus both have very good reputations so would seem unlikely although not impossible, or
b) that it is not the loanees fault but more the fact we have a manager that is unable to get the best out of almost any of our players be they loanees or squad players at the moment.
Bouazza should be much better than he has been so far, we have him for the season, just like Carson who became supporters player of the year - hopefully he will still turn out to have been a valuable acquisition.
I can't help but agree with that at the moment, unfortunately.
Primus looks solid.
Cranie looks poor.
I can accept that we needed Bouazza with Thomas going but I really can't understand why Pardew has played Primus or Crainie before Semedo. With games Primus will get sharper but Crainie's performances have certainly been no better than Semedos.
The thing with all this anti-loanee sentiment is that if we didn't have them and our squad players screwed up the exact same people would be whining that we should have got loans in. Fact.
I agree with all of that. Although i think Cranie improved 2nd half against Palace. I also believe his best position is centre back rather than full back so maybe we're being harsh on him. Before he broke his leg at QPR on loan he was playing really well at centre back for them.
Bingo!
If he plays, it should be as a centre-half as stated above
The idea of bringing loanees in is that they are better than what you've got or as cover for your own players. Cranie is not better than Moo2 (or Semedo) and if he was on the bench I could understand it. I'm not Fortunes biggest fan but he has started the season well but I wonder when he fit again if he'll get his place back. At the moment I think not. It seems Pardew will play the loan players no matter what.
Moo2 has obviously done something wrong as last year he was kept out by Halford who was also rubbish
The thing with all this anti-loanee sentiment is that if we didn't have them and our squad players screwed up the exact same people would be whining that we should have got loans in. Fact.[/quote]
In fairness, no I haven't seen him at centre half but considering that was his position when we bought him I assume that he can play there. As for his size, Chris Perry wasn't the tallest but was still a very good defender.
I accept that we need to have some loan players in the squad and I'm not anti-loanee. My point is that Semedo was doing a good job at right back yet as soon as Crainie comes in, Semedo is droped to make way for him. I can't see how that helps team moral especally as Crainie, on the performances i've seen, isn't any better.
Therefore I suppose the issue is to pick the quality of loan player that benefits your team and that is where the arguments start. A fit Primus would perhaps be seen as many to be better than Fortune. Cranie as a regular England U21 right back could also be seen at least on paper to be better than Moo2, but admittedly not so far in reality.
Bouazza? Well given the crowd's reaction last season to Thomas and this season to Sam, it's not only the manager who thought we needed better in wide positions and following Reading we all thought we had it.
As for Semedo, using him as cover is all well and good, but I still think he needs to play central midfield and I would have him as the holding player in front of the back four all day long.
Did you notice that after they scored the announcer called his first name so that the crowd could shout how his Surname? Mmmm....
Me four, Sinclair did quite well at Palace...
Was his namo... B-i-n-g-o..............
I agree These players are all good enough but are:
A. Not being utilised to optimise their performances.
B. Not being motivated.
C. Under the influence they are now screwed under Pards!