Look, we've another chance to win on Saturday, against a team as in consistant as ourselves.
And should we win, we go from 17th to about 9th in one move.
There are cause for concern all over the pitch.
Imo we haven't a decent full back in our squad. despite people not rating fortune, we are/will miss him. Our wingers turn up once a month. Even if varney and gray get 25 goals between them, who's gonna get the other 30 to keep us out of a relegation fight. We still have yet to take a point off any team that was in this division last year.
Sorry for the rant, are we too good to in down?
Hell no.
I'm not trying to be a doom and gloom merchant, just stating the obvious. As as been said elsewhere, we weren't at the races yesterday. I thought after 10 mins that 4-5-1 wasn't working. We didn't seem to be that much more effective against Sheffield Wednesday. Wolves were a good team and fully deserved to come out on top. The reality is that unless something suddenly gels, either on the pitch or in Pard's head. we are, at best a mediocre side and relegation is a possibility.
There'll be folk on here claiming the league is in the bag if we have a couple of good wins, so I take it all with a pinch of salt. We're too good to go down, BUT if we persist with the tactics we did last night we will be too poor to stay up.
[cite]Posted By: Alex Wright[/cite]I'm not trying to be a doom and gloom merchant, just stating the obvious. As as been said elsewhere, we weren't at the races yesterday. I thought after 10 mins that 4-5-1 wasn't working. We didn't seem to be that much more effective against Sheffield Wednesday. Wolves were a good team and fully deserved to come out on top. The reality is that unless something suddenly gels, either on the pitch or in Pard's head. we are, at best a mediocre side and relegation is a possibility.
So, are we too good to go down? No.
did u not watch the game they had 2 chances and scored both, if gray scored would of won by 4 or 5.
[cite]Posted By: Mortimerician[/cite]There'll be folk on here claiming the league is in the bag if we have a couple of good wins, so I take it all with a pinch of salt. We're too good to go down, BUT if we persist with the tactics we did last night we will be too poor to stay up.
If we somehow manage to get a similar result and performance against Ipswich as we did last season I agree.
But, as me and Carter discussed on Saturday a win last night, or a win on Saturday is only papering over cracks - and it will until we string 4/5 wins together
[cite]Posted By: Alex Wright[/cite]I'm not trying to be a doom and gloom merchant, just stating the obvious. As as been said elsewhere, we weren't at the races yesterday. I thought after 10 mins that 4-5-1 wasn't working.We didn't seem to be that much more effective against Sheffield Wednesday.Wolves were a good team and fully deserved to come out on top. The reality is that unless something suddenly gels, either on the pitch or in Pard's head. we are, at best a mediocre side and relegation is a possibility.
So, are we too good to go down? No.
did u not watch the game they had 2 chances and scored both, if gray scored would of won by 4 or 5.
Yes I watched the game, and yes, their two goals were fairly individual efforts. Like last night though, I didn't think we were anything special. and didn't really control the game. Gray's miss may have made a difference, that kind debate is one of the things that makes football enjoyable, but we certainly weren't 4 - 5 goals better than Wednesday.
I'll be back for more on Saturday and hope for, more than expect, improvements.
[cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]Steady on. Relegation talk?
How self-defeating is that?
Read Pardew after last night, Oggy. He's already doing it!
"We are still above Palace but we are falling behind the pace now and we need to put a little run together, otherwise we could find ourselves in trouble."
When we beat Palace at home in February, we looked a good bet to make the play-offs and they looked like they were heading for a mid-table finish - and it didn't quite work out like that.
We've not even reached 10 games yet, so there's still a very long way to go.
And obviously, given our recording at finishing each season so strongly......ah, may be not.
Played 12 Lost 7. Scored 12 and we have a top scorer (excluding pens) with 2.
That's pretty consistent and if we carry on like that we will be fighting relegation. The only way forward is to change the system and personnel because we've given too many players enough time to prove themselves.
I think that we need something to change, we are constantly coming out second best in games, that results in one thing! Before the game yesterday I knew we would lose, and I am a massive optimist, looking forward to Tuesday though and hopeful a much more competitive match.
I really don't think the home form is the main issue. We're never going to win all our matches at the Valley but at least we have put in some decent performances.
Away from home, however, we've failed to score in 8 of our last 11 matches and that is indicative that we are either too negative or the players that are being picked aren't up to it. Or a combination of the two.
Our current league position is a reflection of our performance this season so far. If we continue to play this kind of below average football we will end this season about where we are now. Relegation is a possibility.
On the other hand if you are going to have a bad run of results this is the stage of the season to have it. There's a lot of football to come.
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On paper the squad looks fine but that is not good enough.
I'm with Alex on this one.
How self-defeating is that?
Look, we've another chance to win on Saturday, against a team as in consistant as ourselves.
And should we win, we go from 17th to about 9th in one move.
This is a very even division, a bad run puts you in danger of going down but conversely a good run puts you in with a chance of play-offs or better.
Pardew's job is to ensure that we have more good than bad runs over the course of 46 matches.
Imo we haven't a decent full back in our squad. despite people not rating fortune, we are/will miss him. Our wingers turn up once a month. Even if varney and gray get 25 goals between them, who's gonna get the other 30 to keep us out of a relegation fight. We still have yet to take a point off any team that was in this division last year.
Sorry for the rant, are we too good to in down?
Hell no.
It's a very fine line between success and failure in this league.
Spot on Len.
So, are we too good to go down? No.
did u not watch the game they had 2 chances and scored both, if gray scored would of won by 4 or 5.
But, as me and Carter discussed on Saturday a win last night, or a win on Saturday is only papering over cracks - and it will until we string 4/5 wins together
I'll be back for more on Saturday and hope for, more than expect, improvements.
Read Pardew after last night, Oggy. He's already doing it!
"We are still above Palace but we are falling behind the pace now and we need to put a little run together, otherwise we could find ourselves in trouble."
Can't you just let us miserable ones wallow in the mire without having to offer us a pair of rose-tinted specs every bl**dy time?? ;-)
We've not even reached 10 games yet, so there's still a very long way to go.
And obviously, given our recording at finishing each season so strongly......ah, may be not.
its all psychology my friend...
That's pretty consistent and if we carry on like that we will be fighting relegation. The only way forward is to change the system and personnel because we've given too many players enough time to prove themselves.
Away from home, however, we've failed to score in 8 of our last 11 matches and that is indicative that we are either too negative or the players that are being picked aren't up to it. Or a combination of the two.
On the other hand if you are going to have a bad run of results this is the stage of the season to have it. There's a lot of football to come.