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Which banks over here are safe-ish and which are not?

edited September 2008 in Not Sports Related
With all the news coming from left of GB, just wondered what people with some knowledge of banking think is likely to happen over here?
Any of the big players in the High St likely to take a tumble?
Sounds pretty serious if it has been 80 years since it has been this bad on Wall Street...
Rather turbulent times we live in at the moment
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    Coop - safe as hous....errr something very safe!
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    A&L,BB and HBOS are reputed to be the shakiest banks, that being said there is an explicit guarantee from the gov on your first £35k (100% or 90% of the £35k can't remember).
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    NS+I is the only true 'bank' that for a savings account is 100% safe.
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    edited September 2008
    Lloyds TSB, HSBC and Abbey (Santander) seem relatively safe at this point. Northern Rock is ultra-safe too of course.

    Don't be tempted by the high rates on offer at the Icelandic banks (IceSave, Kaupthing etc..), or certain other poorly-run foreign banks - the extent of the UK government guarantee mentioned above is not clear in these cases.
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    Every UK Bank is safe for £35K. If you have more than that to deposit then just spread your risk.
    Keep away from anybank not based in UK, whatever they offer.
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    What should i do with my off shore accounts which have 40k plus.
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    [cite]Posted By: Badger[/cite]What should i do with my off shore accounts which have 40k plus.

    Stick it all on the number 3 dog at Crayford in the 7.28pm tomorrow night!
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    Will they take euros?
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    [cite]Posted By: Badger[/cite]Will they take euros?

    The one in the Sheapskin coat and pork pie hat does......
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    edited September 2008
    The global banking system is insolvent.UK banks that are going down are Abbey National,Bank of Scotland,Halifax,Barclays International.I've withdrawn all cash other than operating float. Good luck everybody.
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    Bit Drastic, where have you hid it all?
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    If it comes to that, you'll need a gun not a bank a/c.
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    [cite]Posted By: Badger[/cite]Bit Drastic, where have you hid it all?

    LMFAO!!!
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    He's been buying gold with it obviously :-)
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    Sperm banks are safe.
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    Unless they leak....
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    [cite]Posted By: aliwibble[/cite]He's been buying gold with it obviously :-)

    I was waiting for that reply! ;o)
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    I keep all my money under my floorboards. ;-)
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    I'd love to know why some of the privately owned merchant banks are deemed 'special' and given government assistance becuase of finacial mis-managment? If owned a market stall took a huge salary during peak times but the invested all my profits in Oranges which i couldn't sell on and became rotton and my business was on the verge would i be elegable for a bit fat government loan/nationalisation?

    Surely in a free market companies should live and die based upon their decisions?
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    [cite]Posted By: T[/cite]I'd love to know why some of the privately owned merchant banks are deemed 'special' and given government assistance becuase of finacial mis-managment? If owned a market stall took a huge salary during peak times but the invested all my profits in Oranges which i couldn't sell on and became rotton and my business was on the verge would i be elegable for a bit fat government loan/nationalisation?

    Surely in a free market companies should live and die based upon their decisions?

    Big business is all for the free market when it suits them and all for govt intervention when that suits them.

    US corporations moan about government interference, tax and planning laws, regulation etc but are happy to take grants, tax breaks and handouts when they need it.

    Tis the way of the world.
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    hmm cos if they fall they take a lot of others with them...
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    edited September 2008
    [cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]Big business is all for the free market when it suits them and all for govt intervention when that suits them.

    US corporations moan about government interference, tax and planning laws, regulation etc but are happy to take grants, tax breaks and handouts when they need it.

    Tis the way of the world.
    'Tis the way of the modern capitalist world at any rate - there has been too much of the lassez faire since the 70s, most big corporations are irresponsible, cavalier and short termist especially in the UK, even more so in the US. We need corporations to be responsible organisations with a long term view and now would seem like an excellent opportunity to regulate to this end.
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    [cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: T[/cite]I'd love to know why some of the privately owned merchant banks are deemed 'special' and given government assistance becuase of finacial mis-managment? If owned a market stall took a huge salary during peak times but the invested all my profits in Oranges which i couldn't sell on and became rotton and my business was on the verge would i be elegable for a bit fat government loan/nationalisation?

    Surely in a free market companies should live and die based upon their decisions?

    Big business is all for the free market when it suits them and all for govt intervention when that suits them.

    US corporations moan about government interference, tax and planning laws, regulation etc but are happy to take grants, tax breaks and handouts when they need it.

    Tis the way of the world.

    I think the government gives the Banks special status because, unlike other businesses there's a large number of common or garden punters who'll suffer if they go under. Rather than capitalist plotting it's more done to help the smaller investor.

    The only reason anyone's talking about Banks going under is the whole mess around Northern Rock. While as an institution they got themselves relatively close to the line, they would not have needed any help whatsoever had it not been for everyone taking their cash out on the same day. The net effect on the world's biggest players - like BoA or HSBC would have been exactly the same. Stupidity and fear on a mass scale was actually more the problem than poor financial governance or global recession.
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    edited September 2008
    Strange isnt it that when Bearings went to the wall wewere told "couldnt happen again" then it did , agai in the Banking World we were told "couldnt happen again" . Enron billions of pounds -- gone. Credit Crunch --- billions of pounds lent by banks to banks and very ify loans. Mayors office millions of pounds ---gone.

    We are told there are controls, regulations etc but clearly there isnt. Bankes can "earn" millions and millions but if they f**k up ? so what no penalty. Who loses ? the workers vey low done in companies. They top boys what ever happens to them

    This World we live in today at the lower everyday level is so over regulated its a joke --- snopping in waste bins, on cctv 300 times a day, biggest DNA data base in the World------ but at the higher levels its loop warm regulations that the old boys city net work gets around.


    Cant do a "wind fall tax" as its a free market economy. Couldnt help UK industry, miners,ship workers, car workers,power workers, call centres, its a Free Market Economy. Now we have to cry when the people that fully supported this ideology are in trouble ? dont think so.
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    [quote][cite]Posted By: Chirpy Red[/cite]Every UK Bank is safe for £35K. If you have more than that to deposit then just spread your risk.

    You also have to look out for who owns who - its 35k per group so if Bank A owns Bank B and you've got say 30k in each, you'd only get 35k total. So if there's anyone who's loaded e.g. footballers on here, spread your risk.

    http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/saving-and-banking/article.html?in_article_id=440456&in_page_id=7
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    Thanks for the info everyone, it seemed to me that NS&I was the safest option at the moment. And yes, Northern Rock has govt back up so that seems a fair bet.
    I knew about the 35k rule but if there is widespread panic and runs on a couple of banks over here, would that be sustainable?
    Seems to me that if everybody keeps their nerve then there is less of a problem, or even none at all. Rumours of downturns seem to encourage downturns to become reality. That was what seemed to happen to Northern Rock as everyone just spiralled a small problem into a disaster.
    Plus banks from all over the world seemed to have encouraged and propped up irresponsible mortgage lending and personal credit, particularly in the states.
    This is just how it seems to me, but I'm no finance city whizz kid.
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    This is not my specialist subject - but I'm amazed how the whole scenario seems to have been 'almost intentionally'? created and manipulated at some level/stage and then fuelled by media scaremongering in search of the 'sensational' story (more readers/viewers = more advertisers = more revenue = increased profit).

    Then the whole situation is brought to reality by the knee-jerk reaction fear of readers/viewers panicking to pull out their money.

    Life really is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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    edited September 2008
    This whole crisis has its beginning at August 1971 when the Bretton Woods agreement was torn up by Nixon and Kissenger.As a result we are now on the verge of the Great Depression 2. The counter party derrivative risk between banks is no longer fixable.Good Luck to all fellow Addicks.
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    edited September 2008
    [cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: T[/cite]I'd love to know why some of the privately owned merchant banks are deemed 'special' and given government assistance becuase of finacial mis-managment? If owned a market stall took a huge salary during peak times but the invested all my profits in Oranges which i couldn't sell on and became rotton and my business was on the verge would i be elegable for a bit fat government loan/nationalisation?

    Surely in a free market companies should live and die based upon their decisions?

    Big business is all for the free market when it suits them and all for govt intervention when that suits them.

    US corporations moan about government interference, tax and planning laws, regulation etc but are happy to take grants, tax breaks and handouts when they need it.

    Tis the way of the world.

    Privatise your profits.
    Nationalise your loses.
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    [cite]Posted By: alex jones[/cite]This whole crisis has its beginning at August 1971 when the Bretton Woods agreement was torn up by Nixon and Kissenger.As a result we are now on the verge of the Great Depression 2. The counter party derrivative risk between banks is no longer fixable.Good Luck to all fellow Addicks.

    Top post ever on Charlton Life.
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