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Could this work at Charlton station?
jimmymelrose
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What an incredible invention from Taiwan!
http://www.snotr.com/video/1401
http://www.snotr.com/video/1401
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The speed our trains go you can jump on and off without the fancy car0
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That doesn't look particularly safe!0
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Safe or not, it looks like FUN !!!!0
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im sure the top car would last 10 seconds before it hits a bridge.
Hopefully they wil try it out at the Palace game ;-)0 -
i wanna know how u can find a video like that0
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i have watched it twice now, but cant understand how the flippin eck it works and whats the point!!0
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u get on train picks u up then go downstairs and people for next stop go upstairs means u dont have to stop then swaps upper bit0
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Not very plausible at the moment as most stations have bridges and what happens to the car thing on top when the train goes into a tunnel?0
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It's a nice concept. Completely unworkable in practice, but clever all the same!0
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you can imagine it going very badly wrong though can't u...0
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I look at this and the only word which comes to mind is "decapitation" !!0
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[cite]Posted By: razil[/cite]you can imagine it going very badly wrong though can't u...
in this country yes, in taiwan or whereever no! still dont fully get it tho, just whats the point! save on brake pads, surely they are cheaper in taiwan!??!0 -
[cite]Posted By: MCS[/cite][cite]Posted By: razil[/cite]you can imagine it going very badly wrong though can't u...
in this country yes, in taiwan or whereever no! still dont fully get it tho, just whats the point! save on brake pads, surely they are cheaper in taiwan!??!
The point primarily is to save fuel and help the environment. No braking means more efficiency.0 -
engineering nightmare in our country - what is smack bang just past the platforms at charlton station - A BRIDGE.
As with a lot of other train stations - the loistics of it would be a nightmare surely.
Back to the drawing board JM0 -
Does Charlton have anything similar (Centenary wall doesn’t count) at Charlton Station, if not would it work?
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Digressing a bit, who remembers these ?
If I remember they were only used on the Bexleyheath line as on the other lines going through New Cross into Kent, the bridges were too low
SR Class 4DD - Wikipedia0 -
Just vile.JustFloydRoad said:Does Charlton have anything similar (Centenary wall doesn’t count) at Charlton Station, if not would it work?2 -
Let’s be fair to them. If we did this we would say that Championship and (future) WSL football is round the corner!guinnessaddick said:
Just vile.JustFloydRoad said:Does Charlton have anything similar (Centenary wall doesn’t count) at Charlton Station, if not would it work?0 -
Lincsaddick said:Digressing a bit, who remembers these ?
If I remember they were only used on the Bexleyheath line as on the other lines going through New Cross into Kent, the bridges were too low
SR Class 4DD - Wikipedia
Yes, they used to run past Colfe's school (the Lee version, not the original Lewisham site).1 -
Didn't you have to be under five feet tall to sit on the upper deck?Lincsaddick said:Digressing a bit, who remembers these ?
If I remember they were only used on the Bexleyheath line as on the other lines going through New Cross into Kent, the bridges were too low
SR Class 4DD - Wikipedia0 -
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(Typical Addicks choo choo digressions) .. they also ran past the Lewisham (nearly opposite the station) Colfe's prefab site.Dave Rudd said:Lincsaddick said:Digressing a bit, who remembers these ?
If I remember they were only used on the Bexleyheath line as on the other lines going through New Cross into Kent, the bridges were too low
SR Class 4DD - Wikipedia
Yes, they used to run past Colfe's school (the Lee version, not the original Lewisham site).
It Wasn't often, I've been on the double deckers going both to school (in Stepney) and work (city and West End) from Blackheath Station0 -
Probably why I loved them,thenthai malaysia addick said:
Didn't you have to be under five feet tall to sit on the upper deck?Lincsaddick said:Digressing a bit, who remembers these ?
If I remember they were only used on the Bexleyheath line as on the other lines going through New Cross into Kent, the bridges were too low
SR Class 4DD - Wikipedia
But yes, if you were adult, you didn't enjoy them at all.
They're being discussed a lot right now because there is talk of new double decker trains being used on the Channel Tunnel link. Just talk, though, IMO. That whole thing is such a typical British mess now.1 -
were ok sitting, just had to stoop and be careful whilst standing up thoughthai malaysia addick said:
Didn't you have to be under five feet tall to sit on the upper deck?Lincsaddick said:Digressing a bit, who remembers these ?
If I remember they were only used on the Bexleyheath line as on the other lines going through New Cross into Kent, the bridges were too low
SR Class 4DD - Wikipedia0 -
The european high speed spec has tunnels suitable for doubledeck trains and I assume HS1 meets that spec. However there was speculation that in order to 'save money' HS2 spec would be reduced ensuring new european trains could not run on most of our HS network. Madness !PragueAddick said:
Probably why I loved them,thenthai malaysia addick said:
Didn't you have to be under five feet tall to sit on the upper deck?Lincsaddick said:Digressing a bit, who remembers these ?
If I remember they were only used on the Bexleyheath line as on the other lines going through New Cross into Kent, the bridges were too low
SR Class 4DD - Wikipedia But yes, if you were adult, you didn't enjoy them at all.
They're being discussed a lot right now because there is talk of new double decker trains being used on the Channel Tunnel link. Just talk, though, IMO. That whole thing is such a typical British mess now.0 -
I'm not going to defend the way HS2 has been planned and handled but you've read some ill-informed speculation there. Basically the British "loading gauge" which determines the height of bridges and tunnels is smaller than European. So a European double deck train cannot be used anywhere in Britain except on HS1 an the Tunnel, which is a brand new self-contained railway. HS2 however has to integrate into the existing network. Even before the cuts the idea was that from norht of Preston HS2 trains would run up to Scotland on existing tracks whihc means being small enought o get through existing tunnels and bridges.Hex said:
The european high speed spec has tunnels suitable for doubledeck trains and I assume HS1 meets that spec. However there was speculation that in order to 'save money' HS2 spec would be reduced ensuring new european trains could not run on most of our HS network. Madness !PragueAddick said:
Probably why I loved them,thenthai malaysia addick said:
Didn't you have to be under five feet tall to sit on the upper deck?Lincsaddick said:Digressing a bit, who remembers these ?
If I remember they were only used on the Bexleyheath line as on the other lines going through New Cross into Kent, the bridges were too low
SR Class 4DD - Wikipedia But yes, if you were adult, you didn't enjoy them at all.
They're being discussed a lot right now because there is talk of new double decker trains being used on the Channel Tunnel link. Just talk, though, IMO. That whole thing is such a typical British mess now.
For a while I had forgotten this myself and wondered why we don't just go for double-deck trains on existing tracks to get greater capacity, but there's the answer. We just cannot use double-deckers.0 -
European trains are much wider and taller than ours. If two standard trains from Europe tried our tracks they would smash into the platforms and each other as they pased.PragueAddick said:
I'm not going to defend the way HS2 has been planned and handled but you've read some ill-informed speculation there. Basically the British "loading gauge" which determines the height of bridges and tunnels is smaller than European. So a European double deck train cannot be used anywhere in Britain except on HS1 an the Tunnel, which is a brand new self-contained railway. HS2 however has to integrate into the existing network. Even before the cuts the idea was that from norht of Preston HS2 trains would run up to Scotland on existing tracks whihc means being small enought o get through existing tunnels and bridges.
I'm not going to defend the way HS2 has been planned and handled but you've read some ill-informed speculation there. Basically the British "loading gauge" which determines the height of bridges and tunnels is smaller than European. So a European double deck train cannot be used anywhere in Britain except on HS1 an the Tunnel, which is a brand new self-contained railway. HS2 however has to integrate into the existing network. Even before the cuts the idea was that from norht of Preston HS2 trains would run up to Scotland on existing tracks whihc means being small enought o get through existing tunnels and bridges.Hex said:
The european high speed spec has tunnels suitable for doubledeck trains and I assume HS1 meets that spec. However there was speculation that in order to 'save money' HS2 spec would be reduced ensuring new european trains could not run on most of our HS network. Madness !PragueAddick said:
Probably why I loved them,thenthai malaysia addick said:
Didn't you have to be under five feet tall to sit on the upper deck?Lincsaddick said:Digressing a bit, who remembers these ?
If I remember they were only used on the Bexleyheath line as on the other lines going through New Cross into Kent, the bridges were too low
SR Class 4DD - Wikipedia But yes, if you were adult, you didn't enjoy them at all.
They're being discussed a lot right now because there is talk of new double decker trains being used on the Channel Tunnel link. Just talk, though, IMO. That whole thing is such a typical British mess now.
For a while I had forgotten this myself and wondered why we don't just go for double-deck trains on existing tracks to get greater capacity, but there's the answer. We just cannot use double-deckers.
The european high speed spec has tunnels suitable for doubledeck trains and I assume HS1 meets that spec. However there was speculation that in order to 'save money' HS2 spec would be reduced ensuring new european trains could not run on most of our HS network. Madness !PragueAddick said:
Probably why I loved them,thenthai malaysia addick said:
Didn't you have to be under five feet tall to sit on the upper deck?Lincsaddick said:Digressing a bit, who remembers these ?
If I remember they were only used on the Bexleyheath line as on the other lines going through New Cross into Kent, the bridges were too low
SR Class 4DD - Wikipedia But yes, if you were adult, you didn't enjoy them at all.
They're being discussed a lot right now because there is talk of new double decker trains being used on the Channel Tunnel link. Just talk, though, IMO. That whole thing is such a typical British mess now.
For a while I had forgotten this myself and wondered why we don't just go for double-deck trains on existing tracks to get greater capacity, but there's the answer. We just cannot use double-deckers.
of course our trains can run on European lines with a few adaptations to avoid the gaps at stations. The original Eurostar trains were like rhis.
No one ever suggested that all HS2 trains should be that big but a small fleet of larger trains would mean you could run one huge train per hour to Manchester instead of three little ones as we do now! And you'd still be there within two hours of turning up. That is the model that makes the Tgv and the ave so cheap these days.0 -
So the other counter-intuitive thing is that double deckers dont bring double capacity ( let alone three times, as you suggest) Again I only discovered this recently, when I went on the new Swiss high speed trains that run through the new Gotthard Tunnel from Zurich to Milan. They are double deckers and usually 22 coaches on one train! Massive, I thought, especially watching it take 10 minutes to unload them in Milan, because the platforms there are too narrow. I looked them up and they carry 806 passengers. So I was shocked to find that Eurostars single deckers with 16 coaches carry 900 passengers. Then I checked the TGV Duplex double deckers I travel on from Paris into Germany. A 20 coach train on that route carries up to 1,018 passengers.stevexreeve said:
European trains are much wider and taller than ours. If two standard trains from Europe tried our tracks they would smash into the platforms and each other as they pased.PragueAddick said:
I'm not going to defend the way HS2 has been planned and handled but you've read some ill-informed speculation there. Basically the British "loading gauge" which determines the height of bridges and tunnels is smaller than European. So a European double deck train cannot be used anywhere in Britain except on HS1 an the Tunnel, which is a brand new self-contained railway. HS2 however has to integrate into the existing network. Even before the cuts the idea was that from norht of Preston HS2 trains would run up to Scotland on existing tracks whihc means being small enought o get through existing tunnels and bridges.
I'm not going to defend the way HS2 has been planned and handled but you've read some ill-informed speculation there. Basically the British "loading gauge" which determines the height of bridges and tunnels is smaller than European. So a European double deck train cannot be used anywhere in Britain except on HS1 an the Tunnel, which is a brand new self-contained railway. HS2 however has to integrate into the existing network. Even before the cuts the idea was that from norht of Preston HS2 trains would run up to Scotland on existing tracks whihc means being small enought o get through existing tunnels and bridges.Hex said:
The european high speed spec has tunnels suitable for doubledeck trains and I assume HS1 meets that spec. However there was speculation that in order to 'save money' HS2 spec would be reduced ensuring new european trains could not run on most of our HS network. Madness !PragueAddick said:
Probably why I loved them,thenthai malaysia addick said:
Didn't you have to be under five feet tall to sit on the upper deck?Lincsaddick said:Digressing a bit, who remembers these ?
If I remember they were only used on the Bexleyheath line as on the other lines going through New Cross into Kent, the bridges were too low
SR Class 4DD - Wikipedia But yes, if you were adult, you didn't enjoy them at all.
They're being discussed a lot right now because there is talk of new double decker trains being used on the Channel Tunnel link. Just talk, though, IMO. That whole thing is such a typical British mess now.
For a while I had forgotten this myself and wondered why we don't just go for double-deck trains on existing tracks to get greater capacity, but there's the answer. We just cannot use double-deckers.
The european high speed spec has tunnels suitable for doubledeck trains and I assume HS1 meets that spec. However there was speculation that in order to 'save money' HS2 spec would be reduced ensuring new european trains could not run on most of our HS network. Madness !PragueAddick said:
Probably why I loved them,thenthai malaysia addick said:
Didn't you have to be under five feet tall to sit on the upper deck?Lincsaddick said:Digressing a bit, who remembers these ?
If I remember they were only used on the Bexleyheath line as on the other lines going through New Cross into Kent, the bridges were too low
SR Class 4DD - Wikipedia But yes, if you were adult, you didn't enjoy them at all.
They're being discussed a lot right now because there is talk of new double decker trains being used on the Channel Tunnel link. Just talk, though, IMO. That whole thing is such a typical British mess now.
For a while I had forgotten this myself and wondered why we don't just go for double-deck trains on existing tracks to get greater capacity, but there's the answer. We just cannot use double-deckers.
of course our trains can run on European lines with a few adaptations to avoid the gaps at stations. The original Eurostar trains were like rhis.
No one ever suggested that all HS2 trains should be that big but a small fleet of larger trains would mean you could run one huge train per hour to Manchester instead of three little ones as we do now! And you'd still be there within two hours of turning up. That is the model that makes the Tgv and the ave so cheap these days.What’s the point of them then? I think the idea of high speed double deckers is to carry more people in greater comfort. Space = comfort on a train ( or a plane) . And actually I hate the new Eurostar trains, they are really cramped. Even the windows are pathetically small. And that was Eurostar’s choice, the trains are Siemens Velaros which also run for Deutsche Bahn, but look and feel more spacious in their version.0 -
The European Berne gauge has been used on HS1 and is being used on the new HS2 track to Birmingham (ish). If new (HS2) track was laid to Manchester then the saving was building the bridges and tunnels to British gauge. At the rate we build new infrastructure we will both be pushing up daisies before any Higher Speed route north of Manchester is built so is largely irrelevant.stevexreeve said:
European trains are much wider and taller than ours. If two standard trains from Europe tried our tracks they would smash into the platforms and each other as they pased.PragueAddick said:
I'm not going to defend the way HS2 has been planned and handled but you've read some ill-informed speculation there. Basically the British "loading gauge" which determines the height of bridges and tunnels is smaller than European. So a European double deck train cannot be used anywhere in Britain except on HS1 an the Tunnel, which is a brand new self-contained railway. HS2 however has to integrate into the existing network. Even before the cuts the idea was that from norht of Preston HS2 trains would run up to Scotland on existing tracks whihc means being small enought o get through existing tunnels and bridges.
I'm not going to defend the way HS2 has been planned and handled but you've read some ill-informed speculation there. Basically the British "loading gauge" which determines the height of bridges and tunnels is smaller than European. So a European double deck train cannot be used anywhere in Britain except on HS1 an the Tunnel, which is a brand new self-contained railway. HS2 however has to integrate into the existing network. Even before the cuts the idea was that from norht of Preston HS2 trains would run up to Scotland on existing tracks whihc means being small enought o get through existing tunnels and bridges.Hex said:
The european high speed spec has tunnels suitable for doubledeck trains and I assume HS1 meets that spec. However there was speculation that in order to 'save money' HS2 spec would be reduced ensuring new european trains could not run on most of our HS network. Madness !PragueAddick said:
Probably why I loved them,thenthai malaysia addick said:
Didn't you have to be under five feet tall to sit on the upper deck?Lincsaddick said:Digressing a bit, who remembers these ?
If I remember they were only used on the Bexleyheath line as on the other lines going through New Cross into Kent, the bridges were too low
SR Class 4DD - Wikipedia But yes, if you were adult, you didn't enjoy them at all.
They're being discussed a lot right now because there is talk of new double decker trains being used on the Channel Tunnel link. Just talk, though, IMO. That whole thing is such a typical British mess now.
For a while I had forgotten this myself and wondered why we don't just go for double-deck trains on existing tracks to get greater capacity, but there's the answer. We just cannot use double-deckers.
The european high speed spec has tunnels suitable for doubledeck trains and I assume HS1 meets that spec. However there was speculation that in order to 'save money' HS2 spec would be reduced ensuring new european trains could not run on most of our HS network. Madness !PragueAddick said:
Probably why I loved them,thenthai malaysia addick said:
Didn't you have to be under five feet tall to sit on the upper deck?Lincsaddick said:Digressing a bit, who remembers these ?
If I remember they were only used on the Bexleyheath line as on the other lines going through New Cross into Kent, the bridges were too low
SR Class 4DD - Wikipedia But yes, if you were adult, you didn't enjoy them at all.
They're being discussed a lot right now because there is talk of new double decker trains being used on the Channel Tunnel link. Just talk, though, IMO. That whole thing is such a typical British mess now.
For a while I had forgotten this myself and wondered why we don't just go for double-deck trains on existing tracks to get greater capacity, but there's the answer. We just cannot use double-deckers.
of course our trains can run on European lines with a few adaptations to avoid the gaps at stations. The original Eurostar trains were like rhis.
No one ever suggested that all HS2 trains should be that big but a small fleet of larger trains would mean you could run one huge train per hour to Manchester instead of three little ones as we do now! And you'd still be there within two hours of turning up. That is the model that makes the Tgv and the ave so cheap these days.0
