This sounds like an excellent initative and demonstrates again that the community work the club does is leading the way in what is a really challenging area.
I would just like to say I have been using football for street violence for years, and I got in trouble for it, so not such a great idea after all IMO.
You wait until I see John Little again, grrrrrrrrrr!!!
I have a feeling this is just the sort of news that would get pilloried on the OS Your Views but I think it's pretty cool. I think people forget sometimes that Charlton is actually part of the community not just a football club.
[cite]Posted By: DA9[/cite]I would just like to say I have been using football for street violence for years, and I got in trouble for it, so not such a great idea after all IMO.
You wait until I see John Little again, grrrrrrrrrr!!!
I shouldn't laugh but............ : - )
[cite]Posted By: turn_it_in[/cite]I have a feeling this is just the sort of news that would get pilloried on the OS Your Views but I think it's pretty cool. I think people forget sometimes that Charlton is actually part of the community not just a football club.
There is very little that wouldn't get pilloried on Your Views.
[cite]Posted By: DA9[/cite]I would just like to say I have been using football for street violence for years, and I got in trouble for it, so not such a great idea after all IMO.
That's exactly the reason our club is so innovative. Well done to them.
[cite]Posted By: DA9[/cite]I would just like to say I have been using football for street violence for years, and I got in trouble for it, so not such a great idea after all IMO.
You wait until I see John Little again, grrrrrrrrrr!!!
More and bigger prisons and longer sentences would seem to have a better chance of success IMHO, though I am probably not meant to say that by the NUS and other well meaning but deluded bodies.
Absolutely, unless it is done at an early enough age to have an impact. Do you seriously think kids involved with gangs will lay down their arms because a football club gives them something else to do? When I say early empugh I mean primary school and no later, not an informed opinion mine, but one borne of experience, not personal I hasten to add but from living in the real world long enough to come into contact with enough individuals who have had personal experience.
when i was chatting to an officer last year about the local gang problems, he discussed a particular case where they had just convicted a thamesmead gang for aggravated burglary (robbery with firearms) and one had just signed a professional contract with Leicester and another i think was training with millwall.
[cite]Posted By: Curb_It[/cite]when i was chatting to an officer last year about the local gang problems, he discussed a particular case where they had just convicted a thamesmead gang for aggravated burglary (robbery with firearms) and one had just signed a professional contract with Leicester and another i think was training with millwall.
Wouldn't surprise me. Virtually everyone killed in gang violence recently is described in the papers as "a promising footballer".
Yep, or promising student, who was kind, gentle & caring, not caught up in gang culture etc etc, only for photos too appear a couple of days later from bebo/myspace/facebook etc with them holding guns & knives.
I feel the only answer is to encourage more kids from "the streets" to go into council or government funded record studios or youth clubs to make more rap records about their daily struggles, and about how "da man" keeps putting them down......................................oh yeah, they've tried that haven't they, silly me.
[cite]Posted By: Curb_It[/cite]when i was chatting to an officer last year about the local gang problems, he discussed a particular case where they had just convicted a thamesmead gang for aggravated burglary (robbery with firearms) and one had just signed a professional contract with Leicester and another i think was training with millwall.
Wouldn't surprise me. Virtually everyone killed in gang violence recently is described in the papers as "a promising footballer".
Yep, or promising student, who was kind, gentle & caring, not caught up in gang culture etc etc, only for photos too appear a couple of days later from bebo/myspace/facebook etc with them holding guns & knives.
I feel the only answer is to encourage more kids from "the streets" to go into council or government funded record studios or youth clubs to make more rap records about their daily struggles, and about how "da man" keeps putting them down......................................oh yeah, they've tried that haven't they, silly me.
I'm not overly worried about street violence. Cut through the meeja bullshit and, apart from the odd few (cases like Ben Kinsella) - which have always happened in London, even when I was a kid, the 'massive increase' in teen killings seems to be almost universally confined to stupid wannabe rude bwoy pricks stabbing each other. Since I, quite literally, couldn't give a flying f*** about them either way, I'm not that fussed.
[cite]Posted By: Curb_It[/cite]when i was chatting to an officer last year about the local gang problems, he discussed a particular case where they had just convicted a thamesmead gang for aggravated burglary (robbery with firearms) and one had just signed a professional contract with Leicester and another i think was training with millwall.
Wouldn't surprise me. Virtually everyone killed in gang violence recently is described in the papers as "a promising footballer".
Yep, or promising student, who was kind, gentle & caring, not caught up in gang culture etc etc, only for photos too appear a couple of days later from bebo/myspace/facebook etc with them holding guns & knives.
I feel the only answer is to encourage more kids from "the streets" to go into council or government funded record studios or youth clubs to make more rap records about their daily struggles, and about how "da man" keeps putting them down......................................oh yeah, they've tried that haven't they, silly me.
I'm not overly worried about street violence. Cut through the meeja bullshit and, apart from the odd few (cases like Ben Kinsella) - which havealwayshappened in London, even when I was a kid, the 'massive increase' in teen killings seems to be almost universally confined to stupid wannabe rude bwoy pricks stabbing each other. Since I, quite literally, couldn't give a flying f*** about them either way, I'm not that fussed.
Cliche but a lot of it is a lack of father figures or immediate male role models. Plus a large % of them have parents who cant control them or really cant be arsed. You need a licence to keep some dogs etc but any old scum can breed and let the state and taxpayer support them and pick up the pieces/ suffer the consequences when they act like they do.
HM Gov spent £6million on a program to help stop teenage pregnacies. "kids from vulnerable groups ---blah blah blah ---left wing hog wash etc etc they received "education"/contraception etc. 16% of these girls got pregnant. Also set up was another group same ages numbers etc who received NOTHING 4% got got pregnant.
What is the VALUE to CAFC of geting involved ? I mean all we have done over the years with Greenwich Council (spits in corner) and yes there are hords of yoofs and yoofettes with CAFC tops etc in Woolwich aint there ? rather than chiving each other or nicking some old dears purse they would rather spens a day at --------------where would they spend they day ? at The Valley ? f**k me hide the silver ( oh shit we aint got none so no worries)
Spend the time and effort geting us back up the league-----------------vast majority of the locals dont give a monkeys about this club.
[cite]Posted By: Goonerhater[/cite]HM Gov spent £6million on a program to help stop teenage pregnacies. "kids from vulnerable groups ---blah blah blah ---left wing hog wash etc etc they received "education"/contraception etc. 16% of these girls got pregnant. Also set up was another group same ages numbers etc who received NOTHING 4% got got pregnant.
What is the VALUE to CAFC of geting involved ? I mean all we have done over the years with Greenwich Council (spits in corner) and yes there are hords of yoofs and yoofettes with CAFC tops etc in Woolwich aint there ? rather than chiving each other or nicking some old dears purse they would rather spens a day at
where would they spend they day ? at The Valley ? f**k me hide the silver ( oh shit we aint got none so no worries)
Spend the time and effort geting us back up the league
vast majority of the locals dont give a monkeys about this club.
Well, we set ourselves up as a "community club", so we will be involved in these things somewhere along the line. What I would like to know, did the club instigate this with the Knox family, once they learnt that young Robert was an Addick, or did the Knox family or their representatives contact Charlton in the hope that the club would have a bigger audience & impact for their campaign, which I would have no issue with, slightly put off if were the other way round.
GH - funding is from the community trust not the club.
From what I can recall it was the Trust who made contact with Rob Knox's parents. Suthers is the chair of the Organising committee. I'll see if I can get him to clarify.
If it stops one kid from being stabbed or taking up arms and attacking someone then it is worth it!
[cite]Posted By: Steve Dowman[/cite]Does anyone seriously think this will make a difference other than nice PR for the club, or is that all it is?
For me it is PR pure and simple, which is ok, but not sure it actually achieves anything.
The trouble is quantifying a reduction is difficult to measure, however in my opinion it's better to be doing something rather than nothing.
There are lots of reasons why kids get involved in gang/street violence, but one I hear all the time is a lack of parental responsibilities and in particular a lack of father figure type, with many gang members not having stable family backgrounds. If the club/trust can offer a few kids an alternative and demonstrate that authority figures do give a damn then it might have the desired effect, or we can just not bother and then moan at the crime stats.
Or be honest about the causes and tackle the lack of parental control instead of glossing over the subject and try and deal with the fallout, Fathers need to take more responsibility, simplez.
[cite]Posted By: Steve Dowman[/cite]Does anyone seriously think this will make a difference other than nice PR for the club, or is that all it is?
For me it is PR pure and simple, which is ok, but not sure it actually achieves anything.
It generates good pr but I think you're doing an injustice to the work that the trust does to help the community.
Some kids don't listen to teachers but put a class of unruly students in front of an employee from the trust in a charlton tracsuit - they listen. If that's the only thing it improves then great. Adding incentives for kids to learn how to coach - some of the 'coaches' at the trust used to be the unruly students who learnt to change their ways and can teach from experience.
The initiatives by the club are a credit to the club and trust for aiding the community of kids and also the elderly who go to the valley every wednesday to have workshops on fitness, and all sort, they just want to be involved - even helping the primary care trust stuff envelopes to be a part of the club as they're proud to be a part of the club for 3 hours on a wednesday morning. Some have bought season tickets off the back of this work and the kids involved in the initiatives are given tickets as prizes giving them the opportunity to come to matches where they have no one to take them or the inclination. This leads to gaining fans, increased spend at a match perhaps on kisosk, merchandise etc and then season tickets - so although it is predominantly seen as good pr dor the club it is a whole lot more and very fundamental in the development od the club.
How many kids do you think become charlton fans from attending the summer slam sessions which are free and held around the local area throughout the summer? Loads!
If it really is self financing (as much as using public funds can be) then that is fine, just thinking we have to start thinking about all areas of expenditure now. Was it the Knox family who requested it then Henry? Didn't know he was an Addick?
[cite]Posted By: Steve Dowman[/cite]If it really is self financing (as much as using public funds can be) then that is fine, just thinking we have to start thinking about all areas of expenditure now. Was it the Knox family who requested it then Henry? Didn't know he was an Addick?
I don't think the club pays anything to the Trust although it may contibute in kind ie by allowing meetings etc to take place.
I'm not an expert on how the Trust and Club interact but with other funded programmes I've seen a business can offset some of it's cost (electricity, rent/rates, etc) by saying it is used by a funded project. It that way it could be that the trust is helping to provide facilities, such as the astroturf all weather surface at Sparrows Lane that are used by the players and youth teams etc.
Rob Knox was a Charlton fan. There were Charlton shirts at his roadside memorial. Not sure if we approached them or vice versa but I'll ask Steve Sutherland when I next speak to him. Don't think it really matters IMHO
I know that I was contacted by a mental health project for young men (one of the highest risk groups) based in Sidcup and I was able to put them in touch with the Trust so get a joint funded project set up to help them through football. No cost to the club but doing some good and some good publicity for "Charlton". One of the things I did that I'm most proud of TBH
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You wait until I see John Little again, grrrrrrrrrr!!!
(Sorry, dont mean to make light of the subject)
I shouldn't laugh but............ : - )
There is very little that wouldn't get pilloried on Your Views.
Sorry, edited my post a little, serious subject.
I feel the only answer is to encourage more kids from "the streets" to go into council or government funded record studios or youth clubs to make more rap records about their daily struggles, and about how "da man" keeps putting them down......................................oh yeah, they've tried that haven't they, silly me.
Hear, Hear
What is the VALUE to CAFC of geting involved ? I mean all we have done over the years with Greenwich Council (spits in corner) and yes there are hords of yoofs and yoofettes with CAFC tops etc in Woolwich aint there ? rather than chiving each other or nicking some old dears purse they would rather spens a day at --------------where would they spend they day ? at The Valley ? f**k me hide the silver ( oh shit we aint got none so no worries)
Spend the time and effort geting us back up the league-----------------vast majority of the locals dont give a monkeys about this club.
Well, we set ourselves up as a "community club", so we will be involved in these things somewhere along the line. What I would like to know, did the club instigate this with the Knox family, once they learnt that young Robert was an Addick, or did the Knox family or their representatives contact Charlton in the hope that the club would have a bigger audience & impact for their campaign, which I would have no issue with, slightly put off if were the other way round.
From what I can recall it was the Trust who made contact with Rob Knox's parents. Suthers is the chair of the Organising committee. I'll see if I can get him to clarify.
If it stops one kid from being stabbed or taking up arms and attacking someone then it is worth it!
For me it is PR pure and simple, which is ok, but not sure it actually achieves anything.
The trouble is quantifying a reduction is difficult to measure, however in my opinion it's better to be doing something rather than nothing.
There are lots of reasons why kids get involved in gang/street violence, but one I hear all the time is a lack of parental responsibilities and in particular a lack of father figure type, with many gang members not having stable family backgrounds. If the club/trust can offer a few kids an alternative and demonstrate that authority figures do give a damn then it might have the desired effect, or we can just not bother and then moan at the crime stats.
It generates good pr but I think you're doing an injustice to the work that the trust does to help the community.
Some kids don't listen to teachers but put a class of unruly students in front of an employee from the trust in a charlton tracsuit - they listen. If that's the only thing it improves then great. Adding incentives for kids to learn how to coach - some of the 'coaches' at the trust used to be the unruly students who learnt to change their ways and can teach from experience.
The initiatives by the club are a credit to the club and trust for aiding the community of kids and also the elderly who go to the valley every wednesday to have workshops on fitness, and all sort, they just want to be involved - even helping the primary care trust stuff envelopes to be a part of the club as they're proud to be a part of the club for 3 hours on a wednesday morning. Some have bought season tickets off the back of this work and the kids involved in the initiatives are given tickets as prizes giving them the opportunity to come to matches where they have no one to take them or the inclination. This leads to gaining fans, increased spend at a match perhaps on kisosk, merchandise etc and then season tickets - so although it is predominantly seen as good pr dor the club it is a whole lot more and very fundamental in the development od the club.
How many kids do you think become charlton fans from attending the summer slam sessions which are free and held around the local area throughout the summer? Loads!
I know a good PA who was looking for work if you need help : - )
Good explanation on the Trust's work Suzi.
Funding comes from outside the club (grants etc) but the club benefits directly and indirectly.
If the club had said the the Knox family, "no, good idea but we are a business and street violence is nothing to do with us" how would you all feel?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8153392.stm
I don't think the club pays anything to the Trust although it may contibute in kind ie by allowing meetings etc to take place.
I'm not an expert on how the Trust and Club interact but with other funded programmes I've seen a business can offset some of it's cost (electricity, rent/rates, etc) by saying it is used by a funded project. It that way it could be that the trust is helping to provide facilities, such as the astroturf all weather surface at Sparrows Lane that are used by the players and youth teams etc.
Rob Knox was a Charlton fan. There were Charlton shirts at his roadside memorial. Not sure if we approached them or vice versa but I'll ask Steve Sutherland when I next speak to him. Don't think it really matters IMHO
I know that I was contacted by a mental health project for young men (one of the highest risk groups) based in Sidcup and I was able to put them in touch with the Trust so get a joint funded project set up to help them through football. No cost to the club but doing some good and some good publicity for "Charlton". One of the things I did that I'm most proud of TBH