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Very thin on the ground

just looked at the squad numbers and size of the squad for the forthcoming and it has to be said looking at It we are bang in trouble. if ZZ goes we will hardly have a recognizable starting eleven I am all for bringing the kids through but all at once could be dangerous. I did notice the no 4 shirt still available so a signing may be oj the horizon. In terms of the squad though it is woeful
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  • edited August 2008
    are other teams we are playing next season much better? It wasn't just me that said last season they only knew a few other players in the league already, and there were loads of 'unknowns' playing.

    can't say i could name many of Hull or Stoke's team!
  • Careful mate, negative post.

    The one thing that worries me more than anything (and Im not that bothered, we aint going up we aint going down) is that selling ZZ at the same time that Ambrose is out, I cant see where any goals atre coming from other than the front two.

    And I dont feel that the pressure on Gray and Varney is fair because well basically they arent good enough to score enough goals to carry the midfield.

    Cue, stop talking rubbish we're gonna win the league posts...
  • who's posting negative comments now then !

    I have tried pointing this out over the past couple of months, but nobody seemed to listen, now with 3 days to go before the season kicks off people are finally waking up to the fact that we are in the do do.
  • really so u couldnt name Barnaby,JJ Ockocha, Bryan Hughes,Dean Windass,Ricardo Fuller,Danny Higginbottom, or are u looking through those charlton tinted glasses again Suzi
  • [cite]Posted By: Southendaddick[/cite]
    selling ZZ at the same time that Ambrose is out, I cant see where any goals atre coming from other than the front two.

    And I dont feel that the pressure on Gray and Varney is fair because well basically they arent good enough to score enough goals to carry the midfield.

    I think that's a very fair point.
  • Just remember that ZZ is carrying a knee/back injury and is playing with this injury so it may get worse, whose to say when he will be available to play for us or anyone else.
  • [cite]Posted By: WhenIwasLittleBoy[/cite]really so u couldnt name Barnaby,JJ Ockocha, Bryan Hughes,Dean Windass,Ricardo Fuller,Danny Higginbottom, or are u looking through those charlton tinted glasses again Suzi

    that's a pretty poor argument. 3 from one club, 2 from another.

    An average football fan would be more likely to name the likes of Weaver, Holland, Thomas, ZZ, Ambrose, Gray, than the likes of Bryan Hughes and Danny Higginbottom. Ococha barely played either.

    Names count for nothing though.
  • Chill people, we'll be champions by Christmas :-)
  • [quote][cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: WhenIwasLittleBoy[/cite]really so u couldnt name Barnaby,JJ Ockocha, Bryan Hughes,Dean Windass,Ricardo Fuller,Danny Higginbottom, or are u looking through those charlton tinted glasses again Suzi[/quote]

    that's a pretty poor argument. 3 from one club, 2 from another.

    An average football fan would be more likely to name the likes of Weaver, Holland, Thomas, ZZ, Ambrose, Gray, than the likes of Bryan Hughes and Danny Higginbottom. Ococha barely played either.

    Names count for nothing though.[/quote]I was proving how easy it was to name but a few players from Stoke and Hull without being totally biased.

    Golfie I am totally with u mate but it does appear that as soon as u say something againest club certain parties want to shot you down or dismiss it so much so people are getting cheesed off with the site because should u raise a point they just want to snipe at u
  • [cite]Posted By: WhenIwasLittleBoy[/cite]
    Golfie I am totally with u mate but it does appear that as soon as u say something againest club certain parties want to shot you down or dismiss it so much so people are getting cheesed off with the site because should u raise a point they just want to snipe at u

    If its balanced, then i see no problem. I agree with your original point, looking at the squad i think its very fair to believe we look thin on the ground.

    If however, it appears that the same people only seem to participate when it comes to digging out the club, moaning about this that and the other, then it is perfectly understandable that others rise to it.

    Just because others have a more balanced view, or less demanding in what they expect, or simply can't stand people constantly knocking their club, does not mean they are looking through rose-tinted glasses.

    I'm not surprised 'people are getting cheesed off with the site' as you say, its a very busy site now with a lot of people, and you can't please all the people all the time. Certainly the amount of traffic we're getting of late suggests people are looking here for some reason, and i like to think its a positive one.

    But remember, no one is forcing anyone to post here and there is a lot of choice these days to cater for what you want if its not for you.
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  • edited August 2008
    [cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]If however, it appears that the same people only seem to participate when it comes to digging out the club, moaning about this that and the other.

    spot on AFKA
  • Everyone is welcome to their own opinions, I do feel the broken record that seems to make up most of the content of these negative posts is a bit boreoff though.
  • If your going to make a comment, and you don't like being called out on it, then don't post.

    I don't really care if people think I'm a rose tinted glasses wearing tosspot (See most of the crowd nod there heads) but I'm quite happy to defend my view, and if needs be admit I'm wrong or be set straight. But the people who come on here day in day out to have a constant dig are tedious, never back there moans up, and usually hit and run.

    Give me NSS/Weegie moaning instead of Golfie, at least with Steve and Weegie you can debate the issues.
  • and those of us who are trying to be positive get shouted down by the same people all the time. It works both ways.

    You're entitled to your opinon, i'm listening to it and taking some of it on board for example, I take your point that perhaps they do have players that I have heard of - I couldn't think of any off the top of my head, but you have reminded me of a few, but I was like that a lot last season and didn't know who was playing for the oppo half the time, but i do remember on many occasions last season we were playing teams and people on here commented that they hadn't heard of some of their players, and I only plucked those 2 teams out as they were the ones promoted.

    My point was, that you dont necessarily need big name players to do well and I think its a bit unfair to put down the lads we've got at the moment before they've even kicked a competitive ball. I'm not sniping at anyone, i'm just offering a different opinion.

    Surely people write on here for a debate, not threads and threads with everyone sharing the same opinion?
  • Henry I only have to look at your infamous picture and then I know how serious I can take you.
  • argh, i was trying to post that before it ended up being ANOTHER post about positive/negative!
  • [cite]Posted By: WhenIwasLittleBoy[/cite]Henry I only have to look at your infamous picture and then I know how serious I can take you.

    Lose the argument and resort to personal abuse as per normal. 2 - 0 to me then : - )
  • 2-0 to u,where was the arguenent with u and if there was one when did u get the first
  • [cite]Posted By: WhenIwasLittleBoy[/cite]2-0 to u,where was the arguenent with u and if there was one when did u get the first

    Now that is funny
  • I have to say that looking at the squad and then comparing it to say Wolves and Sheff Utd and Reading, to name just three, they are all of a much more physical presence than us and unfortunatley I can see us getting a bit steamrollered by some of these teams if we don't bulk up a bit, get more physical. A couple of centre halves and a physically inclined midfielder should sort that though. Also, our squad has about ten youngsters in it and although soem won't get near the team, Jensen, Aswad Thomas to name two, others will and our season is going to succeed or fail in how they perform. That's not to say if they don't we should be disappointed because it will put them in good stead fo next years Championship title challenge.
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  • can you both quit with the sniping and continue the debate regarding the squad looking thin?
  • It's all about opinions.

    It is inevitable that people will disagree. At the moment I'm annoying people because I defend Fortune when people dig him out. I also annoy people by defending Curbs when people say he is the reason we are where we are today.

    Without differences of opinion there wouldn't be a forum at all!

    What I think is important though is trying to remain polite to other posters even if they disagree with you. Sometimes we all fall down on that.
  • I agree that our team are young and quite small (the keeper at brighton was tiny and it wasn't the fact he was miles away from the crowd!) and I guess I'm personally pinning hopes that the young ones enthusiasm will shine through more than skills! they may come unstuck, but i hope they don't.
  • [cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite] At the moment I'm annoying people because I defend Fortune when people dig him out..

    Family is he ??
  • edited August 2008
    [cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]I have to say that looking at the squad and then comparing it to say Wolves and Sheff Utd and Reading, to name just three, they are all of a much more physical presence than us and unfortunatley I can see us getting a bit steamrollered by some of these teams if we don't bulk up a bit, get more physical. A couple of centre halves and a physically inclined midfielder should sort that though. Also, our squad has about ten youngsters in it and although soem won't get near the team, Jensen, Aswad Thomas to name two, others will and our season is going to succeed or fail in how they perform. That's not to say if they don't we should be disappointed because it will put them in good stead fo next years Championship title challenge.

    I'm also concerned about our comparitive lack of physical presence.

    I can see us conceding from set pieces even if we out football teams in open play.
  • [quote][cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: WhenIwasLittleBoy[/cite]2-0 to u,where was the arguenent with u and if there was one when did u get the first[/quote]

    Now that is funny[/quote]Such a wonderful man, where do u go to get your ego massaged the same place as tango man
  • edited August 2008
    Len, your not annoying anyone with the Fortune stuff, but it's also fair to say a lot (including me) think the bloke is a fantastic waster of a career.

    As for the Curbs stuff, that is annoying ;0)
  • [cite]Posted By: suzisausage[/cite]I agree that our team are young and quite small (the keeper at brighton was tiny and it wasn't the fact he was miles away from the crowd!) and I guess I'm personally pinning hopes that the young ones enthusiasm will shine through more than skills! they may come unstuck, but i hope they don't.

    Don't think they will fall down on enthusiasm or endevour or even skill BUT the physical aspect of the season could do for them. However, I'd still rather sree them in, giving it a go, than wasters like Faye,Bent etcetc
  • edited August 2008
    [cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]I have to say that looking at the squad and then comparing it to say Wolves and Sheff Utd and Reading, to name just three, they are all of a much more physical presence than us and unfortunatley I can see us getting a bit steamrollered by some of these teams if we don't bulk up a bit, get more physical. A couple of centre halves and a physically inclined midfielder should sort that though. Also, our squad has about ten youngsters in it and although soem won't get near the team, Jensen, Aswad Thomas to name two, others will and our season is going to succeed or fail in how they perform. That's not to say if they don't we should be disappointed because it will put them in good stead fo next years Championship title challenge.

    I agree. We've got some decent players, some pace and in terms of physique we have Hudson, Youga gets stuck in as does Semedo but would love to see a couple of strong defenders and a Kinsella type come in to protect the kids if nothing else.

    Mind you I think Basey and Shelvey can look after themselves.
  • [cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]At the moment I'm annoying people because I defend Fortune when people dig him out..

    Family is he ??

    No, I just think he is harshly judged. He got blamed for a few of El Kak's rickets unfairly for instance when they played together.

    He has a languid style which some interpretas lazy and disinterested but I disagree with that and think he is as committed as anybody.

    People forget he played with a broken toe without painkillers.

    You don't do that if your'e lazy and disinterested.
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