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Breakdown of away followings...

AFKABartramAFKABartram
edited June 2008 in General Charlton
Oohah's gonna be in heaven with this lot:

AVERAGE AWAY FOLLOWING – SEASON 2007/08 (to end April)

R CLUB DATA
1 Sheffield Wednesday 1,963
2 West Bromwich Albion 1,937
3 Sheffield United 1,837
4 Wolverhampton Wanderers 1,806
5 Bristol City 1,758
6 Ipswich Town 1,498
7 Leicester City 1,353
8 Hull City 1,340
9 Watford 1,318
10 Stoke City 1,263
11 Norwich City 1,176
12 Crystal Palace 1,164
13 Southampton 1,142
14 Blackpool 1,140
15 Queens Park Rangers 1,116
16 Charlton Athletic 1,111
17 Burnley 1,086
18 Coventry City 1,018
19 Plymouth Argyle 975
20 Barnsley 971
21 Scunthorpe United 909
22 Preston North End 798
23 Cardiff City 720
24 Colchester United 522

CHAMPIONSHIP AVERAGE 1,247

R CLUB DATA
1 Leeds United 2,343
2 Nottingham Forest 1,538
3 Swansea City 1,096
4 Doncaster Rovers 836
5 Carlisle United 772
6 Bristol Rovers 718
7 Brighton & Hove Albion 688
8 Southend United 671
9 Leyton Orient 617
10 Millwall 579
11 Swindon Town 563
12 Oldham Athletic 536
13 Walsall 532
14 Huddersfield Town 505
15 Northampton Town 487
16 Luton Town 485
17 Hartlepool United 464
18 Tranmere Rovers 461
19 Yeovil Town 415
20 Gillingham 388
21 Port Vale 319
22 AFC Bournemouth 308
23 Crewe Alexandra 297
24 Cheltenham Town 284

LEAGUE 1 AVERAGE 679

R CLUB DATA
1 Stockport County 856
2 Bradford City 791
3 Peterborough United 735
4 Rotherham United 711
5 Chesterfield 700
6 Rochdale 634
7 Mansfield Town 568
8 Wrexham 495
9 Notts County 492
10 Shrewsbury Town 488
11 Milton Keynes Dons 471
12 Lincoln City 458
13 Hereford United 435
14 Grimsby Town 422
15 Brentford 381
16 Bury 377
17 Wycombe Wanderers 365
18 Darlington 365
19 Chester City 360
20 Macclesfield Town 280
21 Morecambe 273
22 Barnet 220
23 Dagenham & Redbridge 172
24 Accrington Stanley 160

AVERAGE AWAY TICKETS SOLD FOR HOME GAMES – SEASON 2007/08 (to end April)

R CLUB DATA
1 Coventry City 1,859
2 Charlton Athletic 1,732
3 Sheffield Wednesday 1,726
4 Barnsley 1,706
5 Leicester City 1,615
6 Sheffield United 1,577
7 Queens Park Rangers 1,576
8 Watford 1,378
9 Southampton 1,320
10 West Bromwich Albion 1,274
11 Blackpool 1,267
12 Crystal Palace 1,258
13 Bristol City 1,255
14 Preston North End 1,152
15 Scunthorpe United 1,136
16 Stoke City 1,094
17 Wolverhampton Wanderers 1,091
18 Norwich City 987
19 Hull City 956
20 Burnley 954
21 Ipswich Town 917
22 Plymouth Argyle 837
23 Colchester United 723
24 Cardiff City 572

CHAMPIONSHIP AVERAGE 1,248

R CLUB DATA
1 Leeds United 1,506
2 Nottingham Forest 1,047
3 Leyton Orient 860
4 Swindon Town 834
5 Walsall 782
6 Port Vale 781
7 Huddersfield Town 762
8 AFC Bournemouth 663
9 Northampton Town 659
10 Crewe Alexandra 654
11 Oldham Athletic 618
12 Luton Town 598
13 Southend United 582
14 Gillingham 576
15 Millwall 568
16 Doncaster Rovers 567
17 Carlisle United 531
18 Tranmere Rovers 527
19 Yeovil Town 526
20 Bristol Rovers 450
21 Brighton & Hove Albion 377
22 Swansea City 357
23 Hartlepool United 336
24 Cheltenham Town N/A

LEAGUE 1 AVERAGE 659

R CLUB DATA
1 Notts County 671
2 Milton Keynes Dons 640
3 Lincoln City 598
4 Bury 553
5 Macclesfield Town 532
6 Morecambe 506
7 Rotherham United 502
8 Chester City 500
9 Mansfield Town 488
10 Shrewsbury Town 478
11 Chesterfield 465
12 Stockport County 463
13 Peterborough United 455
14 Barnet 445
15 Wrexham 435
16 Bradford City 431
17 Rochdale 428
18 Brentford 418
19 Dagenham & Redbridge 411
20 Wycombe Wanderers 407
21 Darlington 375
22 Accrington Stanley 371
23 Hereford United 319
24 Grimsby Town 310

LEAGUE TWO AVERAGE 467

LEAGUE AVERAGE 793
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Comments

  • AFKABartramAFKABartram
    Very suprised no one has commented on this.

    Although its disappointing seeing us so low in comparison to our home crowds, i'm more taken by the actual strength of the league in general. Averaging over 1,100 away i don't actually see as bad, but there are some impressive figures there. Wolves in particular suprised me, but i suppose was helped by the number of clubs close to them.
  • EGAddickEGAddick
    AFKA - are there figures for the Premiership clubs as well? Because I would imagine a fair number of Championship sides would out-do probably a half dozen Premiership clubs in terms of away following.

    I wasn't surprised to see us second in the 'most visited' ground, I think there was a lot of attraction for fans from other teams coming to see 'big club' Charlton ( ;-) ), nice ground etc plus with our home record they probably all thought they'd see their side win....

    I would agree with you though 1,100 away from home on average is pretty good and if that puts us down in 16th then that does show, in terms of support, there are some big clubs in this league.
  • randy andyrandy andy
    What it does show is that the northern clubs, with larger london fan-bases take far more away than london based clubs who have little or no fan-base up north. Watford are the highest place london club averaging 1300, then us, palarse and QPR, all relatively similarly sized clubs, have very similar away following. So ooh ahs continued bashing of our away support is proved to be unfounded, especially when we're told how great Norwich's (for example) support is when it's barely above our own.
  • KetmanKetman
    I think it shows that it ain't great, but not half as bad an Ooh Aah would have us believe. Although I think Next season's one will be interesting particularly if it's another dis-apoointing season.
  • leftbehindleftbehind
    shocked we were that low
  • TELTEL
    Not surprised at all myself, as somebody commented, we arent likely to have a large contingent of away fans living in say Birmingham or Manchester, where as Plymouth and Wolves (especially) for example have a big fan base living in London and the home counties. I remember the days and they werent so long ago when we used to take just a couple of hundred away, so 1100 or so is pretty healthy.
  • Chris_from_SidcupChris_from_Sidcup
    Couple of things stand out for me. Firstly not surprised at all to see Cardiff have got the lowest amount of visitors tickets sold. And secondly i'm well impressed by Blackpools away following (1140) seeing as their home crowds were probably only around 8-9k.

    Our figures both for home and away don't surprise me. Away is actually better than i thought it would be. And the home figures are good because we're seen as a big club in this league, London based, cheap tickets.
  • ShrewShrew
    Although we were all peeed off with pards having a go at the away support and then got shambolic performances when people did go in big numbers, I expect his appeals for better away support did put up the attendance.
  • paulbaconsarniepaulbaconsarnie
    [cite]Posted By: TelinOz[/cite] we arent likely to have a large contingent of away fans living in say Birmingham or Manchester, where as Plymouth and Wolves (especially) for example have a big fan base living in London and the home counties.

    not a dig tel, but by looking at it like that do you think teams have big numbers of fans in the coventry area? you could say middle of the country, but why are wolves (probably a bigger draw) so low then?

    i agree about the fans visiting the valley for the 'big club/ground' factor, but don't wholely buy the london thing.
    if it were that major a factor then why are visitors to palace, qpr and watford not up with us? also teams within an hour or so of london are also low, like colchester (also a new ground for many), norwich and (very surprisingly) ipswich.

    imo these figures do more to back oohahh's thinking than prove him wrong.
  • SwisdomSwisdom
    Makes Ooh Aah seem a bit harsh if you ask me!

    Only a handful of fans away from mid table mediocrity.

    Would expect that to incrfease this coming season if we have a good one because I admit I stopped travelling to all ends of the country aftger the Scunthrpe shambles
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  • paulbaconsarniepaulbaconsarnie
    [cite]Posted By: Swisdom[/cite]
    Would expect that to incrfease this coming season if we have a good one

    what, you mean if we are in a play-off spot or better up until the middle of march.........oh. hang on.
  • Henry IrvingHenry Irving
    About twice as many as the loyalist support in the world from Bermondsey and tiny number from Palace and QPR.

    Not great as we are below the average for the division plus you would have expected an upturn given the new and not recently visited grounds.

    I blame Ketman and NSS for not running enough coaches.

    We were obviously an attraction as people have said due to maybe "big club", New ground to many, London (streets paved with gold) but why Coventry top? Lots of Derbies and large away allocations but not a new ground for most. Odd.
  • Henry IrvingHenry Irving
    Surprise surprise on the Palace site their support is seen as decent and ours as terrible despite being different by an average of 53 people per game. I wonder how much their figure jumped in the last few games when they were going for the play-offs?

    Some people are so so desperate to run us down. Shame they are not our rivals.
  • SouthendaddickSouthendaddick
    Would be interested to compare to some of our Prem years, probably up on some of those.

    Anyway, no spin should detract from the very dissapointing figures above.

    It will be up next year though, what with local games midweek and only Doncaster that stands out as a long trip midweek, which is a definite for me and no doubt at least 7-800 others.
  • oohaahmortimeroohaahmortimer
    edited June 2008
    taken from the figures shown on here and tony kem site i've brought up the % of home fans per club who travel away, i'm surprised we're not bottom;-)
    home ave / away ave / % of home that go away
    scunthorpe 5298 / 909 / 17.15
    blackpool 7594 / 1140 / 15.01
    colchester 4786 / 522 / 10.90
    barnsley 9719 / 971 / 9.99
    sheff wed 19692 / 1963 / 9.96
    bris city 17941 / 1758 / 9.79
    burnley 11411 / 1086 / 9.51
    wba 21037 / 1937 / 9.20
    qpr 12383 / 1116 / 9.01
    watford 15408 / 1318 / 8.55
    wolves 22408 / 1806 / 8.05
    stoke 15729 / 1263 / 8.02
    plymouth 12163 / 975 / 8.01
    hull 17283 / 1340 / 7.75
    palace 15058 / 1164 / 7.73
    sheff utd 24054 / 1837 / 7.63
    ipswich 21018 / 1498 / 7.12
    pne 11495 / 798 / 6.94
    leicester 21921 / 1353 / 6.17
    cov city 17264 / 1018 / 5.89
    soton 19934 / 1142 / 5.72
    cardiff 13367 / 720 / 5.38
    charlton 21427 / 1111 / 5.18
    norwich 23540 / 1176 / 4.99
  • northstandstevenorthstandsteve
    well these figures back up morts argument our away support is shite
  • AFKABartramAFKABartram
    ooh ahh / nss etc, forget the comparisons with other clubs for one moment.

    I personally think averaging 1,110 away from home is not that bad, considering we had midweeks at hull, bristol, cardiff, burnley, sheff w, norwich, and live on sky for stoke, preston, watford and west brom.

    Don't you agree ? If others are doing better than that, good luck to them. But we have never historically done much better than that, have we ?
  • MCSMCS
    ooooh nice slant afka, our away support is a real mind boggler aint it!
  • BadgerBadger
    Our away following will always depend on how we are performing, it will also rise above the average if we are playing at a ground that peeps have not been to before, ie Swansea,doncaster and so on.

    Taking everything into consideration i think 1,100 on average is very good.
  • ThreadKillerThreadKiller
    if we were away on saturdays in london,then i think our away support would stand shoulder to shoulder with palace all day long.
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  • bingaddickbingaddick
    If we were really in with a shout for play offs or automatic, our average would have been higher than Palarse. I think that although there was the "Lets go to Blackpool and Scunnie factors" there was also the "why do I want to go to some of these crummy dumps factor? as well. Coming from away games at The Emirates, Old Trafford and Anfield the previous seasons and having to go to Burnley, Bristol City, Cardiff etc did not have the same attraction.
  • nth_london_addicknth_london_addick
    Is that all we take away is that all we take away

    I am with afka here we have never historically taken many away come to think of it for the last 25 years we havent really had many at home if you consider the years building up to us moving to shithurst, our crowds at that dump then and upton park andthen the first years back at the valley before we got to the prem.

    I would have thought that the away following (putting neck on the line) hasnt really changed that much.

    why doesnt one of the stattos on here work out our away following in the early 80's 90,2000 and then compare


    where is mr cameron when you need him
  • northstandstevenorthstandsteve
    you cant compare because back then are average home crowd was 4 thousand,ooh aahs point is surely with average crowd of over 20k it should be miles better.Our away support is shite.
  • CharltonparklaneCharltonparklane
    We average 21'000 at home but remember, a lot of them arent really Charlton fans, just people who want too watch a high standard of football for the cheap prices.

    I would hazard a guess at 12 thousand hardcore support so roughly 10% as an away following would drag us up there a bit. Also taking into consideration AFKA points about the Sky games and midweek trips, and the fact we have very little support further up the country, unlike your Sheffields/Bristol/Plymouth. who will have fans allover the country, it aint too bad IMO.
  • oohaahmortimeroohaahmortimer
    qpr have 9k less home fans than us and we bring the same numbers away and most of those grounds wouldn't have been new for them and comparing seasons we were top 5 for a long time while they were bottom 5 and i'm sure they haven't got a large number of northern followers
  • BlackForestRedsBlackForestReds
    Charlton fans are mostly from SE London/North Kent, getting to away games, particularly in the north is neither easy nor cheap. Looking at the NW and midlands teams there are quite a few derby matches and games that are easy to travel to. Saying we have a poor away support is relative to the distance that our fans have to travel - against London teams our away support is better.
  • GoonerhaterGoonerhater
    Our away support is shit so what ! jesus FFS why keep blatting on about it? well done you were right !

    Its shit because? :
    * Of the "shit danrn " mob
    * It costs to much.
    * People have other shit to do.
    * Been to all the grounds before.
    * We only have one song "ra ra ra ra clap clap".
    * We usually get stuffed
    * Going to Walsall -- Hull-- Coventry--- Plymouth--- etcetc etc aint as "fun" as them coming to London.
    * Done it seen it got the Tshirt several times.



    Any of the above posibly all of em.
  • ThreadKillerThreadKiller
    i blame curbs.
  • AFKABartramAFKABartram
    If things like this really bother you, then the only thing you can do is make more effort yourselves and try to encourage more to go as well.

    Bleating about it, or comparing to others, is wholly irrelevent, and will never change the status quo.
  • oohaahmortimeroohaahmortimer
    surely we'd all prefer to have our team well supported at home and away , just as most would like our team to be playing at the highest level , i want charlton to be the greatest, biggest best supported club/team in the world, it wont happen but doesn't mean i can't want it or hope for it
    i know people get bored of 'away followings' comments etc i certainly don't read about the politcal stuff/music/film stuff on here so i really don't know what people expect to be commented about on a thread giving stats on away followings , maybe i should talk about the ethnicity of our away followings ffs
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