i like this team Imtpm , SHIT OR BUST , all guns blazing rather than falling away as we are currently....
i think west brom is a MUST WIN GAME so it can kick start something and blow away the recent crap results........
e-i-e-i-e-i-o
Well I thought Thomas was ok on Saturday but end product is a bit iffy. Ambrose has made it clear he likes playing just behind a strike pairing provided we play it more to feet. Varney has pace and has shown he can cross so I thought why not and is fresh and fit. Holland should stay way back and help the back 4 leaving ZZ to link up more with the front team. I dont think we can worry anymore about defensive match ups. We have got to score goals.
I really thought we were going to dish out a few tonkins this season,but we have got nowhere near.
This league is tougher than i think Pardew expected.
[cite]Posted By: carly burn[/cite]We've got no chance.
I really thought we were going to dish out a few tonkins this season,but we have got nowhere near.
This league is tougher than i think Pardew expected.
And a lot of supporters as well I think mate - hence the frustration and 'anger' in some quarters
Pardew is a pretty positive guy, just before blackpool he still was convinced we'd be promoted automatically. I think us fans and Pardew are both guilty of thinking we'd walk this league, despite losing confidence through relegation, losing players, and the fact that this league is completely unpredictable. Its much tighter than we've been used to in the last few years in the prem, which was pretty much a done thing that we'd lose to the top few teams, and have our own mini league with the bottom half of the table.
Most people on here in that survey we did thought we'd be promoted immediately with no problems, and now its turned pretty desperate that its obvious its not as easy as that.
Suzi - agree very much with what you are saying re expectations. I am disappointed, though, that Pardew was not a bit more aware of some of these challenges - he has spent much more time in recent years in this division than we have!
I was worried right at the start of the season when I heard Chris Powell in an interview on the radio saying how the gaffer had told them the important thing was to bounce back straight after a defeat in this league - seemed like a strange way of preparing a team to contend for promotion.
yeah, agree, that i think we set out with the wrong intentions and its turning out to be too late to turn those positive almost care free vibes into 'fighting' talk.
I guess if he's telling the team that they're good enough to bounce back and filling them with confidence, he should have worked out by now that its not working, the players aren't raising their game enough and they need to try harder?
i don't think this league is tough, it's tight but not tough, if we'd have kept everyone from last season i think we'd have finished top 2 easily....
saying that, i think if we'd performed to our maximum with what we've got for 90% of the season we'd have made the top two easily as well
we have been underperforming far too much IMO
I think its easy to pin point the games as well that we should be winning regardless of the competitiveness of the league. We don;t have a right to win those games but we should win them.
this is a pretty poor division and we've massively underperformed for most of the season YET we are still right in the race for the Play-Offs, just need to find a little bit of consistancy at the right time....
This division is summed up for me by Stoke....in my opinion by far the worst side we've played at home all season.
Any side promoted this season will do well to better Derby's points tally, unless there is massive investment (and I include us in that). Whilst I obviously want us to go up (and not just for financial reasons) I'm not sure how much I could take if we ended up in Derby's situation..
No we cannot; I don't think we have the confidence there anymore. I suspect we will under perform until we are out of play-off contention, then when the pressure is off we will do well in the last two or three games.
Any side promoted this season will do well to better Derby's points tally, unless there is massive investment (and I include us in that). Whilst I obviously want us to go up (and not just for financial reasons) I'm not sure how much I could take if we ended up in Derby's situation..
That's the worrying thing.I think to have any chance of survival in the prem you need to have a side that gel very well together and consistantly win in the championship.And by consistantly, i mean a points tally around the 100 mark.
Most of the football we are playing at the moment would be very ineffective in the prem so i think it's probably best that we don't go up until things improve a bit and we have a side that will at the least give the teams up there a run for their money.
so if I had to give a first 11 that could do it assuming Cook was fit (i rate him) I'd play the following
Weaver
Semedo Macca Bougherra Youga
Thomas ZZ Holland Cook
Varney Iwelumo
stick with that barring injury and I think we could do it. You could tinker and stick Varney in for Thomas, with Gray also up front to give you another option.
Yes of course we can, the top 8 or 9 teams have been inconsistent so providing we can get our act together a big YES. Obviously my prediction from a few months ago will come true, Charlton in playoffs with Palace - always like that in football.
That team wouldnt beat any team in this division Steve you loon
Mills tried it this year and failed is now injured Rufus is a servant of god and out of shape Youds is fat and on the lash Bowen is stuck up sparky hughes arse Newton can still kick it but just not as good Kinsella knees are fecked Jones ran for so long his batteries have run out Robinson the caliper kid enuff said there (watch Fat Rob moan ) Mendonca alcky with a bad back (bit like me) Bright spent to long with BBC and now doesnt even recognise Charlton as a team due to motd ambitions
And there was me thinking you knew about footie your plan is flawed you can not moan anymore :-)
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I think we'll be in this position come the end of the season, 9th.
PS: Do we finish in a higher position than West Ham?
;o)
Sorry to disappoint you, Oggy, but no - we're a division lower :-(
Well I thought Thomas was ok on Saturday but end product is a bit iffy. Ambrose has made it clear he likes playing just behind a strike pairing provided we play it more to feet. Varney has pace and has shown he can cross so I thought why not and is fresh and fit. Holland should stay way back and help the back 4 leaving ZZ to link up more with the front team. I dont think we can worry anymore about defensive match ups. We have got to score goals.
Its Dennis all over again
Yes if we play like we did in the first half against Ipswich at home..
No if we play like we did in the second half of the same game.
C'mon Charton, we know you can play, just go out and do it!
I really thought we were going to dish out a few tonkins this season,but we have got nowhere near.
This league is tougher than i think Pardew expected.
Pardew is a pretty positive guy, just before blackpool he still was convinced we'd be promoted automatically. I think us fans and Pardew are both guilty of thinking we'd walk this league, despite losing confidence through relegation, losing players, and the fact that this league is completely unpredictable. Its much tighter than we've been used to in the last few years in the prem, which was pretty much a done thing that we'd lose to the top few teams, and have our own mini league with the bottom half of the table.
Most people on here in that survey we did thought we'd be promoted immediately with no problems, and now its turned pretty desperate that its obvious its not as easy as that.
I was worried right at the start of the season when I heard Chris Powell in an interview on the radio saying how the gaffer had told them the important thing was to bounce back straight after a defeat in this league - seemed like a strange way of preparing a team to contend for promotion.
I guess if he's telling the team that they're good enough to bounce back and filling them with confidence, he should have worked out by now that its not working, the players aren't raising their game enough and they need to try harder?
saying that, i think if we'd performed to our maximum with what we've got for 90% of the season we'd have made the top two easily as well
we have been underperforming far too much IMO
Colchester H&A
Scunthorpe H&A
10 points dropped.
This division is summed up for me by Stoke....in my opinion by far the worst side we've played at home all season.
Any side promoted this season will do well to better Derby's points tally, unless there is massive investment (and I include us in that). Whilst I obviously want us to go up (and not just for financial reasons) I'm not sure how much I could take if we ended up in Derby's situation..
I suspect we will under perform until we are out of play-off contention, then when the pressure is off we will do well in the last two or three games.
That's the worrying thing.I think to have any chance of survival in the prem you need to have a side that gel very well together and consistantly win in the championship.And by consistantly, i mean a points tally around the 100 mark.
Most of the football we are playing at the moment would be very ineffective in the prem so i think it's probably best that we don't go up until things improve a bit and we have a side that will at the least give the teams up there a run for their money.
Of course we need to actually peform to do that.
And there is the flaw in your plan.
Of course we need to actually peform to do that.[/quote]
And there is the flaw in your plan.[/quote]
Agreed not sure if ALL the players have the fight in them we all know the ones that have
so if I had to give a first 11 that could do it assuming Cook was fit (i rate him) I'd play the following
Weaver
Semedo Macca Bougherra Youga
Thomas ZZ Holland Cook
Varney Iwelumo
stick with that barring injury and I think we could do it. You could tinker and stick Varney in for Thomas, with Gray also up front to give you another option.
KIELY
MILLS RUFUS YOUDS BOWEN
NEWTON KINSELLA JONES ROBINSON
MENDONCA BRIGHT
Now i would pay to see them again.
Mills tried it this year and failed is now injured
Rufus is a servant of god and out of shape
Youds is fat and on the lash
Bowen is stuck up sparky hughes arse
Newton can still kick it but just not as good
Kinsella knees are fecked
Jones ran for so long his batteries have run out
Robinson the caliper kid enuff said there (watch Fat Rob moan )
Mendonca alcky with a bad back (bit like me)
Bright spent to long with BBC and now doesnt even recognise Charlton as a team due to motd ambitions
And there was me thinking you knew about footie your plan is flawed you can not moan anymore :-)
This post explains a lot :-)