No one is running away with it but that doen't change the fact that this is a poor league. The fact that teams can be as incosistant as we have been and remain 5th for so long pretty much sums it up.
Or it could prove the fact the league is so competetive nobody can string a long run together, just depends what way you look at it.
What happened at full time? I heard a few of the Charlton fans were laying into the players which ended up with Sodje retilliating back in some way? Not what you want really.
[cite]Posted By: razil[/cite]is this the first time someone used the term hyperbole on this board??
Nope. The much under-used search facility reveals that 'hyperbole' was first introduced to the Forum by Len Glover in Aug 2006, in relation to club journos analysing young players.
The reigns were picked up by T in Dec 2006, discussing the US media and the heavyweight boxing decision.
Since Dec 2006, hyperbole has been absent from the forum for 16 months, though i'm sure many will disagree with that ! :-)
The way things are looking we might miss out on the play-offs while at the same time abandoning AP's "two year plan" because we are scared of giving our exiting young players experience while relying on seasoned performers who just aren't delivering.
I do want to see Youga & Moo2 bombing down the wings and have AP work on their defence in training. I don't want to see Thatcher & Halford's physical precence if their only attacking threat is a long throw. I do want to see Varney and McLeod/Lita pulling defences around with their movement to create chances for each other and the midfield. I don't want to see the ball being lumped up to ageing target men like Iwelumo & Gray. I do want to see intricate short passing of ZZ & Semedo, Sam and look forward to glimpsing skills of Arter, Wright, Wagstaff & Shelvey I have grown tired of the honest endeavour of Matt Holland and prima-donnas like Thomas and Ambrose who are interested only in their wage packets.
C'mon AP let's us see something that looks like a game plan rather than a football talent audition for 34 players.
Perhaps Pards should have a Football Idols competetion and we can vote someone off each week until we have 11 players that we the fans have chosen and then if we lose we have no-one to blame but ourselves.
No one is running away with it but that doen't change the fact that this is a poor league. The fact that teams can be as incosistant as we have been and remain 5th for so long pretty much sums it up.
Or it could prove the fact the league is so competetive nobody can string a long run together, just depends what way you look at it.
You seem to be confusing competitiveness with quality. Just because there isn't much between the sides doesn't mean that the football is any good.
Having watched quite a few games this season, not just Charlton, I think you would struggle to find examples of quality football in this division.
[cite]Posted By: Reamsofverse[/cite]Which explains what I have said in another thread we are still 5th because of the the kind of division we are in, not because of our own qualities as a team.
thats something to be thankful/positive about then surely...its not ideal....but it'll do!
What I dont understand is, If the standard of this league is so crap,how is it that 3 of the 4 teams in the FA cup semis are from th championship ,and got there by beating premier teams. Someone please explain.
[cite]Posted By: Imissthepeanutman[/cite]Of course the Championship is a crap league
In the FA Cup Championship teams have only dismissed
Chelsea
Liverpool
Blackburn
Man City
Bolton
Middlesbro
Derby
Utter crap the teams in this league
[cite]Posted By: Imissthepeanutman[/cite]Not sure where the freakiness is
Top to Bottom points in divisions
Prem Top 65 Bottom 10 Difference 55
Champs Top 66 Bottom 32 Difference 34
League 1 Top 73 Bottom 22 Difference 51
League 2 Top 74 Bottom 29 Difference 45
I extracted these from another thread. I would of course accept the point about teams raising their game for a Cup competition. But its happened too often this year to be written off as not relevant. And I dont think many League 1 and 2 teams raised their game to knock out as many Championship teams.
And the points position at the weekend shows that this league is in my words 'more competitive'. I think calling it Crap is a little bit arrogant.
it a awful league mate,theres no excuse to losing at burnley and at home to preston,yes were fifth i would expect to be at least fifth with our status as a club.
[cite]Posted By: Imissthepeanutman[/cite]Its also the league with 2 teams that Curbs highlighted as the clubs he wanted Charlton to emulate
Southampton and Leicester
That's harping back to the past when we're meant to be looking forward. Two years ago it seemed laughable that we once wanted to emulate QPR and Norwich. Next season that could well be the truth again (at least in QPR's case), sadly.
[cite]Posted By: Imissthepeanutman[/cite]Its also the league with 2 teams that Curbs highlighted as the clubs he wanted Charlton to emulate
Southampton and Leicester
That's harping back to the past when we're meant to be looking forward. Two years ago it seemed laughable that we once wanted to emulate QPR and Norwich. Next season that could well be the truth again (at least in QPR's case), sadly.
Its not really Weegie. It was meant to show how things can change in quite a short timescale and how they are now.
[cite]Posted By: Reamsofverse[/cite]Short sightedness once again Ledge, picking what bones out you can, the three championship teams left in the Fa cup are involved in a knockout competition based on winning 4 matches not 46 as in the championship and Barnsley apart the other two have not played anybody of note.
Stu of SE7 I was employed in all aspects of football for 14 years so your right I know sweet FA!!
As for drivel you are the first to disagree about my comments on this thread I see
You can only play what is put in front of you. So if we had got to the semi west brom's route you'd be dismissing our run would you.
[cite]Posted By: Imissthepeanutman[/cite]You may be right. I havent seen any of them play.
I just have an immense dislike for Charlton fans referring to this league as Crap.
As I have said before it smacks of arrogance and dismissiveness.
And of the kind sometimes displayed by Pardew. If I was the opposition it would fire me up big time.
Pretty sure whichever 3 teams do go up will be coming down again.
Agree, those that say we "shouldn't" lose to Burnley, Preston etc, Why the hell not? its our expectations that are to blame not the league, or the football we're playing, or the teams we're playing against....
if we had the team of a few years ago, then yes, we should be beating these teams, but no reason why we should now. our wage bill may be higher but that doesn't meant they should be better....it would be nice obviously, but it shouldn't be expected.
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Or it could prove the fact the league is so competetive nobody can string a long run together, just depends what way you look at it.
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Nope. The much under-used search facility reveals that 'hyperbole' was first introduced to the Forum by Len Glover in Aug 2006, in relation to club journos analysing young players.
The reigns were picked up by T in Dec 2006, discussing the US media and the heavyweight boxing decision.
Since Dec 2006, hyperbole has been absent from the forum for 16 months, though i'm sure many will disagree with that ! :-)
I do want to see Youga & Moo2 bombing down the wings and have AP work on their defence in training.
I don't want to see Thatcher & Halford's physical precence if their only attacking threat is a long throw.
I do want to see Varney and McLeod/Lita pulling defences around with their movement to create chances for each other and the midfield.
I don't want to see the ball being lumped up to ageing target men like Iwelumo & Gray.
I do want to see intricate short passing of ZZ & Semedo, Sam and look forward to glimpsing skills of Arter, Wright, Wagstaff & Shelvey
I have grown tired of the honest endeavour of Matt Holland and prima-donnas like Thomas and Ambrose who are interested only in their wage packets.
C'mon AP let's us see something that looks like a game plan rather than a football talent audition for 34 players.
You seem to be confusing competitiveness with quality. Just because there isn't much between the sides doesn't mean that the football is any good.
Having watched quite a few games this season, not just Charlton, I think you would struggle to find examples of quality football in this division.
thats something to be thankful/positive about then surely...its not ideal....but it'll do!
Pretty sure people would then start going on about us having versatile players rather than players who can play in one position.
Versatile players we have now in my opinion (whether they are being used are not if a different matter):
Bougy
Semedo
Basey
Moutouakil
Youga
ZZ
I extracted these from another thread. I would of course accept the point about teams raising their game for a Cup competition. But its happened too often this year to be written off as not relevant. And I dont think many League 1 and 2 teams raised their game to knock out as many Championship teams.
And the points position at the weekend shows that this league is in my words 'more competitive'. I think calling it Crap is a little bit arrogant.
Southampton and Leicester
I just have an immense dislike for Charlton fans referring to this league as Crap.
As I have said before it smacks of arrogance and dismissiveness.
And of the kind sometimes displayed by Pardew. If I was the opposition it would fire me up big time.
Pretty sure whichever 3 teams do go up will be coming down again.
That's harping back to the past when we're meant to be looking forward. Two years ago it seemed laughable that we once wanted to emulate QPR and Norwich. Next season that could well be the truth again (at least in QPR's case), sadly.
Its not really Weegie. It was meant to show how things can change in quite a short timescale and how they are now.
You can only play what is put in front of you. So if we had got to the semi west brom's route you'd be dismissing our run would you.
Agree, those that say we "shouldn't" lose to Burnley, Preston etc, Why the hell not? its our expectations that are to blame not the league, or the football we're playing, or the teams we're playing against....
if we had the team of a few years ago, then yes, we should be beating these teams, but no reason why we should now. our wage bill may be higher but that doesn't meant they should be better....it would be nice obviously, but it shouldn't be expected.