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Iwelumo, ZZ et all

edited March 2008 in General Charlton
Everybody's entitled to opinions but some of the garbage I have read on here over the last week make me wonder if some you even go to games. I cant be bothered to go back and dig out the offending comments but someone wrote that Iwelumo cant kick, cant, shoot cant pass etc etc. Well, as a fan the last thing I want to see from any Charlton player is a lack of effort for the cause and on Saturday Iwelumo took every kick, punch, knee, elbow, tackle and got up and got on with it, in short he took a good shoeing for the team and regardless of his other attributes or lack of them when I spend my £100+ watching the team away from home thats good enough for me. Now onto ZZ, unbelievable a couple of posts suggested he had a poor game and needs resting well either I watched a different game or they had their eyes closed because he was fantastic. His link up play between midfield and the forwards was superb, he covered every inch of grass, he was always there for the ball, he slowed it down when needed, broke with pace when needed in fact he was a class above anyone else on that pitch. I'm sure its no coincidence that both Sunday reports I read yesterday had him as MOM. Special mention in dispatches go to Sodje and Holland.
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  • ZZ would not look out of place in any of the top prem sides , he is class and we need to keep him and to do so we'll have to go up to that horrible league within the next 15 months
  • Brunello, I'd rather watch a centre-forward of ours get the ball under his control sometime in the 90 minutes and create something.
  • Sorry addickson,but 100 % for me always works and Big Chris has never failed to give that.
  • I have had arguments with some of my mates regarding Chris this season,but they haven't been to any away games.He is invaluable to us away from home in a 4-5-1 formation,he takes all the shite allowing others to come into play.
  • [cite]Posted By: Addickson's God[/cite]Brunello, I'd rather watch a centre-forward of ours get the ball under his control sometime in the 90 minutes and create something.


    Oh, I forgot to add, he also scored.
  • [cite]Posted By: Addickson's God[/cite]Brunello, I'd rather watch a centre-forward of ours get the ball under his control sometime in the 90 minutes and create something.
    Get the ball under control and don't do anything with it or score 10 vital goals. I know what i'd choose.
  • That's good to hear about ZZ. From what I read on here it sounded like he was shocking and I thought he might get dropped tomorrow as a result.
    Maybe a touch of the Kish syndrome ie sees more of the ball than others and therefore makes more errors. He'd be first on the teamsheet for me.
  • From a Sheffield Utd site:

    Morgan 3/10
    Got completely outmuscled and outworked by Iwelumo. I have never seen Morgan lose so many (Most if not all) headers in one game.
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  • I wasn't at either Blackpool or Sheff Utd but when I have seen them bothe Big Chris and Zi Zi have worked thier testicles off for the team.

    Zi Zi is just class and sometimes I think he finds a little space but doesn't get the ball as other players feel he is too tightly marked when actually his close control and touch mean that he could have kept possison in an advanced area if the ball had been played to him.

    Chris is not the greatest player in the world but he is a lot better than he is given credit for and has certainly been worth the huge fee we paid for him. He leads the line well and when the ball is crossed in from the wings (and not pumped 40 yards down the middle) looks effective.

    And 10 goals and 9 goals speak for themselves.
  • ZZ is class no doubt about that, but he has looked (rightly so ) a bit tired of late and certainly at Blackpool he did give the ball away a lot....but there again so did everyone else....Big Chris...top man, cant ever fault his commitment..like him immensely.
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  • Big Chris is very much the right player to have in your locker in this league. There are other players around with similar attributes to him, but i doubt there are many others who will give more to the cause.

    He was signed as a third striker and is likely to go on and finish our top scorer, despite having less 'footballing ability' than many others. Has had spells in and out the side, yet always seems to get his head down and want to come fighting back. Of course i would like Rooney and Berkamp up front, but it don't arf admire this blokes attitude.

    For a freebie, he is arguably with Weaver our best signing of the season.
  • I don't get this lack of ability thing. I think he 'does what it says on the tin' to be honest. He is there to win the ball in the air and lay it off, and score maybe 1 in 3 or 4 games. I think he has a good shot for someone his height, and when he has decent delivery/service he'll get it on target 9/10 time.
    As Barts says right man to have in this league, and wouldn't be too bad in the prem.
  • Whilst he's not exactly the best striker in this league and i personally wouldn't have him in my best starting X1 as i feel Gray holds the ball up better and is just as capable of winning headers, i do admire Iwelumo for his affort. I also recall Pardew saying earlier in the season that he was playing in games even though he was carrying quite a few knocks. So whatever people think of his ability, that has to be applauded.
  • +1 for Iwelumo. I'm a fan.
  • Big Chris has been playing like a real hero & should be lauded for that. Having watched ZZ at Blackpool & Sheff Utd I'm STILL of the opinion that he has been a little off his game. Too many passes going slightly astray. I just think the volume of hard, physical games in this division, & the travelling he has had to do to play for China, has had an impact over the last couple of games. Certainly wouldn't drop him though. He has that touch of class that is so difficult to find at this level.
  • Hadn't scored for 17 games? Are you saying he PLAYED 17 games and didn't score, or that 17 games had simply passed? That can't be right.

    Anyway, he's been the most consistent striker we've had this season.
  • I'm interested in your 'expectations' where of Iwelumo considering he cost nothing and came from the smallest club in this league?
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  • edited March 2008
    Iwelumo has been excellent value and has the right attitude.

    The only problem, and this is not his fault, is that when he plays there is a tendency for too many players to simply lump it to him in the air rather than try to play to our footballing strengths.
  • IMO ZZ is in the top 3 best midfielders in the division with Brian Howard and Zoltan Gera
  • I'd add Blackpool's Hulahoop into that category as well Ledge.
  • You assume wrongly, I was just asking what you expected from a player like Iwelumo, his record at Col U was helped by being there penalty taker, something which he isn't at Charlton.
  • [cite]Posted By: Reamsofverse[/cite]I like to see Kieth Andrews form MK Dons with us reminds me of Kinsella and he's just won the league 2 player of the year, an excellent midfielder.

    Anyway you already assume that im on the attack over Iwelumo, im not, just pointing out a statistic he has started 27 games whilst Varney has started 21 and 3 goals seperate them so there is not much in it but Varney has had to step up a level where Chris hasn't so that is the only reason I expected a little bit more.

    At the end of the day we would all like a striker who can get up around 20 goals and none have done that so Chris is not alone in my wish that we had a Mendonca or Hunt.

    These 20 goal strikers take the penalties. Iwelumo (and ZZ) have scored their goals from open play.

    Andy Gray came having scored 13 goals but half at least of those were penalties.
  • [quote][cite]Posted By: AFKA Bartram[/cite]I'd add Blackpool's Hulahoop into that category as well Ledge.[/quote]

    yeah maybe AFKA but he was crap at our place ZZ rang rings round him. Made up for i belive in their home game though.

    I not seen enough of him to be honest and has not scored that many goals either as he?
  • Yeah, because Hunt was amazing in his first season.

    I also don't think it was a case of him being dropped, his play suits a certain style, a style we don't play week in week out, how anyone can be disappointed with BigC is beyond me, the bloke gives 100% every game despite getting absolutely batterd.

    Top bloke and for me is exactly what playing for CAFC should be about.
  • Changing course...I was really impressed with McPhee at Blackpool and I see he got another goal this weekend....
  • [cite]Posted By: Reamsofverse[/cite]
    Chris is a big guy and sometimes he should use his frame more to let the centre half know that he's been in a game as well

    How do you suggest he goes about that then without getting himself sent off every game ?

    He has already committed the 2nd most fouls in the whole division, despite not playing all the time. Its a fine line, but if he was anymore physical than he currently is, then he would be banned for half a season.
  • I do think BigC gets rough treatment from refs, getting free kicks against him all the time because defenders fall over and the ref's assume hes fould them simply because he's a big lump.

    Having said that, he does have some pretty gash timing for his jumps at times!
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