Bought the SLP on tuesday just on the strength on Friday nights game, was reading through the paper and there was a colum about four lads being banned from all Charlton adn England who were part of a nortorious gang going into pubs and standing outside pubs accomidated by away fans stirring up trouble,find this hard to believe as their is hardly any trouble at Charlton as well as a nortorious gang
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Have they actually been convicted of any crime?
It seems they have received these bans because of who they know rather than what they've done (or haven't done). If they are banned for associating with known hooligans have the known hooligans also been banned.
This smacks of overkill by the OB, like the letters sent before we played at shithurst to supporters who have never been convicted of a football related crime.
not to say they should go around randomly slapping bans left right and centre, but by doing it on those by association, i think they know what they are doing.
No offence Suze, but they don't have a 'kin clue. Moving the palace game to a Friday night proved that.
It just seems to me they can say that, whoever, is likely to cause trouble because of who they know rather than anything they have done or intend to do.
If this report, and another i read are accurate, then they have been arrested, charged and banned for no more than 'acting a bit large'. and being associated with others who have convictions.
What people say and what they do are two very different things however, as is what company people keep, and i find it staggering that it got as far as that stage let alone convicted when no real actual crime has ben made.
Have known one of them around 15 years, and if he is seen as real danger to society then we're all in trouble.
Apparently there was a pub smashed up by London Bridge, any other trouble to speak of? personal injury? any innocent family football fans get set upon on any trains on Friday?
Yeah, ok, so lots of people met earlier and got more drunk, the majority of those people are normal trouble free citizens so what harm was done? (apart from the oak running out of beer?!)
He's clearly not to be trusted and a hardend hoolie!
Thats the point AFKA, they have not been arrested or charged with anything, its a ban because they decided to ban them by association, as I said, as a football fan your normal civil rights or rights by standard law of freedom of movement can go out of the window at a whim.
not to say they should go around randomly slapping bans left right and centre, but by doing it on those by association, i think they know what they are doing.[/quote]
Suz, you know me and lots of others who have or have been involved (although some you may not know have or have in the past), does that mean you deserve a ban?
I haven't been present at the time though.....
i know a good lawyer.
luckily for me i only know EX hooligans...
not to say they should go around randomly slapping bans left right and centre, but by doing it on those by association, i think they know what they are doing.[/quote]
Suz, you know me and lots of others who have or have been involved (although some you may not know have or have in the past), does that mean you deserve a ban?[/quote]
I haven't been present at the time though.....[/quote]
Neither were these lads when these "associates" committed there crimes, hardly fair is it. Just because you were not present does not matter, you have, and still continue to associate with known hooligans, one of whom you will not be aware of who has a very colourful past.
they may have been "no angels" but not many are in any walk of life, not just football
what happens if my best mate who i drink down the pub with secretly goes home and knocks seven bells out of his missus every night, am i a known "associate" of a wife beater?
total victimisation
I don't believe these boys to be completely innocent, and they wouldn't have been banned for no reason.
edited to say: nor have I ever been in trouble in the past with or without these people present. nor am I known to the club or the police as a potential trouble maker in any way.
not to say they should go around randomly slapping bans left right and centre, but by doing it on those by association, i think they know what they are doing.[/quote]
Suz, you know me and lots of others who have or have been involved (although some you may not know have or have in the past), does that mean you deserve a ban?[/quote]
I haven't been present at the time though.....[/quote]
Neither were these lads when these "associates" committed there crimes, hardly fair is it. Just because you were not present does not matter, you have, and still continue to associate with known hooligans, one of whom you will not be aware of who has a very colourful past.[/quote]
I don't believe these boys to be completely innocent, and they wouldn't have been banned for no reason.[/quote]
Which is your perogative, but this was merely a case of him not liking faces and picking easy targets, even his own colleagues in the Met outed him asap because he was a bully.
You will find that a lot of lads will hang around other "known faces" just for the kudos, doesnt mean they are guilty of anything other than association.