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What pressure?

cafcinperthcafcinperth
edited January 2008 in General Charlton
"I'm not exactly sure why that was, was it nervousness due to our recent home form, or the pressure of playing the team at the bottom of the league, maybe it was number of factors.

I am sorry but playing the bottom team at home after 25 games must be a well lets go out there and enjoy the win. Not oh no we are playing the bottom team. Bloody hell what are we going to be like playing the top team in the cup?, get the toilet paper ready in the change room.

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  • Oggy RedOggy Red
    But in context from his comments on the OS, Pards was referring to the nervousness of the atmosphere as the pressure
    on the team.

    He was knowing the level of crowd expectation to thrash a bottom of the table team 5-0.
    If it didn't look like it was going to happen straight away, then he knew a nervous crowd would create it's own pressure.
    We've all seen it enough times already this season.

    And he did say he was disappointed by the performance, especially the way the team started.
  • golfaddickgolfaddick
    I'm sorry, but Pardew himself created the pressure by starting with 4-5-1, at home, to the bottom side.

    Why, oh, why cant a CAFC manager start a HOME game against a side lying 24th with a positive attitude for once, 4-4-2 or even, god forbid, 3-5-2 and go at them from the start.

    No-one on here is expecting a 5-0 thrashing - when did that last happen ?? - but a solid performance of attacking play where we actually, for once, have more efforts at goal than the opposition,more corners and take a 2-0 lead into half time rather than being behind.
  • Oggy RedOggy Red
    A solid performance of attacking play where we actually, for once, have more efforts at goal than the opposition,more corners and take a 2-0 lead into half time rather than being behind.

    Well, it was about 3 weeks ago - against Ipswich, a team in the playoff positions who yesterday beat the much vaunted, all conquering league leaders.

    4-5-1 was the formation and nobody lambasted Pardew then.
  • golfaddickgolfaddick
    point taken, although as usual that was the exeption rather than the rule. Since then we have played 5 games and got 3 draws and 2 defeats with the last 3 games being against teams in or around the bottom 3 or 4.

    As I have previously said, I don't expect 5-0 thrashings but I do expect us to show that over 90 mins we are the better side, esp against a side with only 2 away wins all season.
  • northstandstevenorthstandsteve
    agree Golfie
  • Charlton DanCharlton Dan
    Its this old agrument re 4-5-1.........Is it negative? After all it can quickly become 4-3-3.

    This however depends on the midfielders supporting the lone CF. If they arent doing this, or arent capable of doing this, then Pards should revert to 4-4-2.

    I do think we are seriously missing Reid and this is the reason for our current form.
  • Barn Door VarneyBarn Door Varney
    [cite]Posted By: Charlton Dan[/cite]Its this old agrument re 4-5-1.........Is it negative? After all it can quickly become 4-3-3.

    This however depends on the midfielders supporting the lone CF. If they arent doing this, or arent capable of doing this, then Pards should revert to 4-4-2.

    I do think we are seriously missing Reid and this is the reason for our current form.

    Can we please get over this notion that 4-5-1 is a negative system, played the right way it is not. As Oggy pointed out, we played exactly the same formation against Ipswich.

    I don't agree with changing the system for the sake of it however, the 4-5-1 was primarily done to accomodate Reid in the middle and it suited the players we had. Where I think that Pardew has got it all wrong is that he has stuck with it to accomodate Holland rather dropping Holland and going with Semedo and ZZ in the middle of a 4-4-2.
  • Charlton DanCharlton Dan
    edited January 2008
    [cite]Posted By: Barn Door Lisbie[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Charlton Dan[/cite]Its this old agrument re 4-5-1.........Is it negative? After all it can quickly become 4-3-3.

    This however depends on the midfielders supporting the lone CF. If they arent doing this, or arent capable of doing this, then Pards should revert to 4-4-2.

    I do think we are seriously missing Reid and this is the reason for our current form.

    Can we please get over this notion that 4-5-1 is a negative system, played the right way it is not. As Oggy pointed out, we played exactly the same formation against Ipswich.

    I don't agree with changing the system for the sake of it however, the 4-5-1 was primarily done to accomodate Reid in the middle and it suited the players we had. Where I think that Pardew has got it all wrong is that he has stuck with it to accomodate Holland rather dropping Holland and going with Semedo and ZZ in the middle of a 4-4-2.

    You can say it till youre blue in the face but Golfie just wont accept it!!

    Totally agree. When Reid is fit play 451, if not 442....
  • Oggy RedOggy Red
    The problem with 4-5-1 is not so much the formation in itself - but when the front man gets distanced by the midfield dropping too deeply and the midfield support runs are no longer made.

    Midfield dropping too deeply is frequently a symptom of the defence playing too deep - we've all seen time and time again our back four positioning themselves square across the 18 yard line, inviting pressure and shooting opportunities.

    So, here's my brilliant insight ...... if the defence form their line 10/15 yards outside the box, then the midfield are still in touch with Iwelumo to make channel runs from his fllick ons.

    La Voila! :o)
  • Charlton DanCharlton Dan
    [cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]The problem with 4-5-1 is not so much the formation in itself - but when the front man gets distanced by the midfield dropping too deeply and the midfield support runs are no longer made.

    Midfield dropping too deeply is frequently a symptom of the defence playing too deep - we've all seen time and time again our back four positioning themselves square across the 18 yard line, inviting pressure and shooting opportunities.

    So, here's my brilliant insight ...... if the defence form their line 10/15 yards outside the box, then the midfield are still in touch with Iwelumo to make channel runs from his fllick ons.

    La Voila! :o)

    Oggy for Manager I say..........
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  • ImissthepeanutmanImissthepeanutman
    Sorry to spoil the party.

    That 45 mins against Ipswich was the best football at home all season. But Ipswich were very poor and showed us what they could do in the second half and could/should have been level after 55 mins.

    What was the next best 45 mins??? Probably Sheff Wed which I missed.

    But the counterpoint is that in spells we have played some very good football. The trouble is that these periods of superiority have not been converted to goals and before long we have made some foul up at the back and not bagged the points.

    Im intrigued to see what the second half of the season brings!! Part of me thinks it could be very exciting and then.......
  • Oggy RedOggy Red
    [cite]Posted By: Imissthepeanutman[/cite]Im intrigued to see what the second half of the season brings!! Part of me thinks it could be very exciting and then.......


    Oi, Peanuts......I'm the loony optimist round here....... ! :o)
  • ImissthepeanutmanImissthepeanutman
    Sorry Oggy. I know my place.
  • bingaddickbingaddick
    edited January 2008
    [cite]Posted By: Charlton Dan[/cite]Its this old agrument re 4-5-1.........Is it negative? After all it can quickly become 4-3-3.

    This however depends on the midfielders supporting the lone CF. If they arent doing this, or arent capable of doing this, then Pards should revert to 4-4-2.

    I do think we are seriously missing Reid and this is the reason for our current form.

    I agree CD. What we need are full backs who can bomb on and support. I believe that has been the biggest factor in our iffy form this season and why we have failed to dominate in many games, even ones we have won.

    Danny Mills occasionally got forward. Sir Chris very rarely. Basey started to do so once he got established and this coincided with some of our most effective performances. Having Moo2 back and Youga available should really help this. 4-5-1 can be the most effective formation for the players we have. Those criticising it must remember that we are playing two wingers in that formation.
  • cafcinperthcafcinperth
    But from what I have been told we seem to lump the ball forward towards the lone striker, which will never turn 4-5-1 into 4-3-3 to do that it needs to be played to feet and though the midfield.

    So somethings gone wrong, the results since Hollands been starting games have gone really bad.
  • ImissthepeanutmanImissthepeanutman
    Holland was magnificent at Norwich. Apparently he was ill before the game but still gave 110%.
    I think it would be a tad unfair to blame him for the poor (team) performances.
  • Oggy RedOggy Red
    4-5-1 is very effective when the team plays as a compact unit, especially the way we play away from home with 2 wingers.

    It's at home when things go wrong, when the defence drops too deep, the midfield gets stretched and Big Chris gets isolated.
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