What sort of points total to stay up this season?

MillwallFan

I think you’ll stay up with room to spare and probably be top half. 

I mentioned on here before, our first season back up we finished 8th. It was the second season that got us. Finished 21st and almost went back down. Beware the dreaded second season lol

peterreeves

7 more wins and 45 points I think will do. The thing is if and it's a biggy if by January we are still saying up top around the playoffs will Nathan be asking for funds to make a push..... Stranger things have happened and why not...

Its fantastic being a Fan at present and under no circumstances should we be negative andbaccep taking a point from some games where we're injury hit... this team cannot be written off... Ever. 

Raith_C_Chattonell

This stat by Chris Collinson of the BBC is appertaining to the Premier League, but does show the importance of a good start if survival is to be achieved.

Sword65pf

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Sword65pf

So if we win the next seven games in a row and reach the perceived amount of points for safety and then lose every game going forward is everyone happy with that? NJ has not once said let’s get to a certain points total 1st and see where we go from there, don’t get why any of our fans should think that way either, particularly the way we are going, there is absolutely no comparison to the last time we went down to dwell on either. I’d say keep getting behind the team, enjoy and see where it takes us.Just not getting why people might be seeing an impending collapse it’s very strange.

bobmunro

Sword65pf said:

So if we win the next seven games in a row and reach the perceived amount of points for safety and then lose every game going forward is everyone happy with that? NJ has not once said let’s get to a certain points total 1st and see where we go from there, don’t get why any of our fans should think that way either, particularly the way we are going, there is absolutely no comparison to the last time we went down to dwell on either. I’d say keep getting behind the team, enjoy and see where it takes us.Just not getting why people might be seeing an impending collapse it’s very strange.

It's called realism. Pretty much everybody's hope/expectation at the start of the season was survival, and that if we did survive it will have been a successful season. That still applies and anything else is a bonus.

If we did get to safety with say 20 games to go and we then lost all those 20 games it would be a disappointment, of course, but that doesn't change the general measure of success being survival.

Sword65pf

bobmunro said:

Sword65pf said:

So if we win the next seven games in a row and reach the perceived amount of points for safety and then lose every game going forward is everyone happy with that? NJ has not once said let’s get to a certain points total 1st and see where we go from there, don’t get why any of our fans should think that way either, particularly the way we are going, there is absolutely no comparison to the last time we went down to dwell on either. I’d say keep getting behind the team, enjoy and see where it takes us.Just not getting why people might be seeing an impending collapse it’s very strange.

It's called realism. Pretty much everybody's hope/expectation at the start of the season was survival, and that if we did survive it will have been a successful season. That still applies and anything else is a bonus.

If we did get to safety with say 20 games to go and we then lost all those 20 games it would be a disappointment, of course, but that doesn't change the general measure of success being survival.

So a promoted team has never gone straight up again? And is automatically just in the league to avoid relegation? The realism is everyone at the start of the season has the same chance of promotion.

jimmymelrose

sam3110 said:

Usually I'd say 48-50 but given the Sheffield Wednesday situation (you finish below them this season you deserve a double relegation tbh) I think the cut off will be more like 44

Given the Wednesday situation,  the number of points for survival could increase not decrease. If they get really cut adrift then everyone will be taking 3 points off them, thus raising the bar.

Norwich and Sheff Utd will sort themselves out and become decent mid-table teams, in fact I still think Sheff Utd could be pushing for the play offs.
The rest of the league seems pretty even with no other stand out bad teams.

All of this leads me to think that the bar will be higher than previous seasons. I don’t think 50 points will ensure safety. Another win on top of that, (or at least a draw with decent GD) might well be necessary.

Sword65pf

Sword65pf said:

bobmunro said:

Sword65pf said:

So if we win the next seven games in a row and reach the perceived amount of points for safety and then lose every game going forward is everyone happy with that? NJ has not once said let’s get to a certain points total 1st and see where we go from there, don’t get why any of our fans should think that way either, particularly the way we are going, there is absolutely no comparison to the last time we went down to dwell on either. I’d say keep getting behind the team, enjoy and see where it takes us.Just not getting why people might be seeing an impending collapse it’s very strange.

It's called realism. Pretty much everybody's hope/expectation at the start of the season was survival, and that if we did survive it will have been a successful season. That still applies and anything else is a bonus.

If we did get to safety with say 20 games to go and we then lost all those 20 games it would be a disappointment, of course, but that doesn't change the general measure of success being survival.

So a promoted team has never gone straight up again? And is automatically just in the league to avoid relegation? The realism is everyone at the start of the season has the same chance of promotion.

I’m assuming the lol is a disagreement as I don’t think I said anything funny? Maybe we need a disagree button. 

Gribbo

1 more than turd from bottom 

AddicksAddict

bobmunro said:

Sword65pf said:

Sorry looking upwards not over our shoulder and nothing is indicating we should. 

Looking both ways is safer - follow the Green Cross Code!

The Green Cross Man was also Darth Vader. 

bobmunro

AddicksAddict said:

bobmunro said:

Sword65pf said:

Sorry looking upwards not over our shoulder and nothing is indicating we should. 

Looking both ways is safer - follow the Green Cross Code!

The Green Cross Man was also Darth Vader. 

He was - Dave Prowse. I also remember his gym in Southwark, never used it but drove past it enough times!

stoneroses19

Sword65pf said:

Sword65pf said:

bobmunro said:

Sword65pf said:

So if we win the next seven games in a row and reach the perceived amount of points for safety and then lose every game going forward is everyone happy with that? NJ has not once said let’s get to a certain points total 1st and see where we go from there, don’t get why any of our fans should think that way either, particularly the way we are going, there is absolutely no comparison to the last time we went down to dwell on either. I’d say keep getting behind the team, enjoy and see where it takes us.Just not getting why people might be seeing an impending collapse it’s very strange.

It's called realism. Pretty much everybody's hope/expectation at the start of the season was survival, and that if we did survive it will have been a successful season. That still applies and anything else is a bonus.

If we did get to safety with say 20 games to go and we then lost all those 20 games it would be a disappointment, of course, but that doesn't change the general measure of success being survival.

So a promoted team has never gone straight up again? And is automatically just in the league to avoid relegation? The realism is everyone at the start of the season has the same chance of promotion.

I’m assuming the lol is a disagreement as I don’t think I said anything funny? Maybe we need a disagree button. 

I've added another lol to your post as laughed and disagreed. 

It's nonsense to say at the start of a season every team has same chance of promotion. Obviously, a lot more goes in to a chance of promotion than just being one of the sides in that league. 

Sword65pf

stoneroses19 said:

Sword65pf said:

Sword65pf said:

bobmunro said:

Sword65pf said:

So if we win the next seven games in a row and reach the perceived amount of points for safety and then lose every game going forward is everyone happy with that? NJ has not once said let’s get to a certain points total 1st and see where we go from there, don’t get why any of our fans should think that way either, particularly the way we are going, there is absolutely no comparison to the last time we went down to dwell on either. I’d say keep getting behind the team, enjoy and see where it takes us.Just not getting why people might be seeing an impending collapse it’s very strange.

It's called realism. Pretty much everybody's hope/expectation at the start of the season was survival, and that if we did survive it will have been a successful season. That still applies and anything else is a bonus.

If we did get to safety with say 20 games to go and we then lost all those 20 games it would be a disappointment, of course, but that doesn't change the general measure of success being survival.

So a promoted team has never gone straight up again? And is automatically just in the league to avoid relegation? The realism is everyone at the start of the season has the same chance of promotion.

I’m assuming the lol is a disagreement as I don’t think I said anything funny? Maybe we need a disagree button. 

I've added another lol to your post as laughed and disagreed. 

It's nonsense to say at the start of a season every team has same chance of promotion. Obviously, a lot more goes in to a chance of promotion than just being one of the sides in that league. 

Do teams not all start on 0pts? If we all knew who was going up from day 1 there would be no need to play matches, so not nonsense at all.I have no problem with people disagreeing by the way, just didn’t realise how funny I could be.

jimmymelrose

Come on, seriously?! Because teams all start on 0 points, they all stand an equal chance, do they?

So you thought at the start of this season that:

Qarabag stood as much chance in The Champions League as PSG
Burnley stood as much chance of winning the Premier league as Liverpool
Charlton stood as much chance as Ipswich or Southampton. 

Sure, there are surprises and some teams over/underperform (see my Championship example) but given the finances it is not an even playing field.

Can we make some bets together please?

Sword65pf

jimmymelrose said:

Come on, seriously?! Because teams all start on 0 points, they all stand an equal chance, do they?

So you thought at the start of this season that:

Qarabag stood as much chance in The Champions League as PSG
Burnley stood as much chance of winning the Premier league as Liverpool
Charlton stood as much chance as Ipswich or Southampton. 

Sure, there are surprises and some teams over/underperform (see my Championship example) but given the finances it is not an even playing field.

Can we make some bets together please?

Well yes they do start off level, that’s the purpose of a league table.So  Leicester were favourites for the premier league were they?,And Charlton were dead certs to get into the prem the 1st time under Curbs? we can all pick examples to suit a narrative. I’ve  not once mentioned whether the playing field is level but leagues don’t always finish in financial order do they?, if they did it wouldn’t be worth playing. I don’t bet on anything, it tends to prove people wrong the majority of the time.

jimmymelrose

You said: 'The realism is everyone at the start of the season has the same chance of promotion’

Isn’t that implying that the ’playing field is level?'
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By the way, I have asked before why there is no dislike button. They considered this for the recent upgrades but I think they decided that it would lead to disharmony. Lol generally is open to interpretation and I suppose it’s normally clear whether people are laughing or disagreeing,  but I agree that it’s not always the case.

Sword65pf

jimmymelrose said:

You said: 'The realism is everyone at the start of the season has the same chance of promotion’

Isn’t that implying that the ’playing field is level?'
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By the way, I have asked before why there is no dislike button. They considered this for the recent upgrades but I think they decided that it would lead to disharmony. Lol generally is open to interpretation and I suppose it’s normally clear whether people are laughing or disagreeing,  but I agree that it’s not always the case.

Well yes, at the start of the season it is level and everyone has the same amount of points to play for, bank accounts don’t determine where everyone finishes 100% of the time, it’s on the pitch that determines the outcome.

Id be much happier for someone to tell me if I’m wrong or they disagree with me, rather than be a smartarse and just laugh. The only reason I will use the lol button is if I genuinely think something is funny and not to be disparaging.

jimmymelrose

Disagree with the first paragraph. 

Agree with the 2nd.

Sword65pf

jimmymelrose said:

Disagree with the first paragraph. 

Agree with the 2nd.

No problem