Would VAR have ruled out Carey's winner against WBA?

MartinCAFC · November 5

MuttleyCAFC said:

You can never be sure but I think what beat the keeper was the deflection.

This. Most goals that go in take some sort of deflection on the way which usually beats the keeper or causes a rebound to tuck in.

Chizz · November 5

I bloody love Charlton Life

ForeverAddickted · November 5

Chizz said:

Callumcafc said:

Or, to answer Chizz’s question as Chizz would

Good question — this is an area of the Laws of the Game that often causes confusion, especially in cases of potential offside or interference with the goalkeeper’s ability to make a save.

Here’s a breakdown of the relevant law and how it’s applied in practice:

⚖️ Relevant Law

Law 11 – Offside (IFAB Laws of the Game)

The key clause states that a player in an offside position is penalized only if, at the moment the ball is played or touched by a teammate, they are involved in active play by:

Interfering with play,

Interfering with an opponent, or

Gaining an advantage from their position.
The “interfering with an opponent” section includes “clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision” — this is the part that directly applies to blocking a goalkeeper’s view.

🧤 What Counts as Obstruction of the Goalkeeper

A player is considered to be interfering with an opponent (the goalkeeper) if they:

Are in an offside position (i.e., nearer to the goal line than both the ball and the second-last defender when the ball is played); and

Block or significantly distract the goalkeeper’s view or movement toward the ball.
If both conditions are met, even if the offside player doesn’t touch the ball, the goal is disallowed for offside.

For example:

If a player is standing directly in front of the goalkeeper when a shot comes in and the keeper cannot see it until too late → offside, goal disallowed.

If a player in an offside position is near the goalkeeper but does not block their view or movement → no infringement, goal stands.
🚫 Not to Be Confused With:

Law 12 – Fouls and Misconduct (Obstruction/Impeding the Progress of an Opponent):
This law covers physical obstruction or impeding movement without contact, e.g., a player deliberately standing in front of the keeper to prevent them from jumping or moving. That’s an indirect free kick, not offside.
But this rarely applies inside the penalty area unless the interference is clear and deliberate — most cases involving a blocked view are handled under Law 11 (offside).
🧠 Practical Application

Referees and VAR look for:

Line of sight: Could the goalkeeper clearly see the ball?

Positioning: Is the player in an offside position when the shot was taken?

Movement: Did the offside player attempt to play the ball or make a movement that distracted the keeper?
If the answer to those is yes → the player is offside by interference.

If not → goal stands.

Would you like me to include a few real-world examples (e.g., Premier League or Champions League decisions) where this specific rule was applied for context?

How very dare you! There's no way I would have spelled it "penalized"!

The Americans have got him... Callum will be talking about his favorite player next

Leeds_Addick · November 5

There are 3 WBA players encroaching when the pen is taken

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eastterrace6168 · November 5

...plus a couple of Addicks as well...😉

GreenWithEnvy · November 5

Todds_right_hook said:

No obvious error from the ref or Lino, would VAR even have checked this

The lino last night would have been no use here anyway, he was absolutely tosh last night letting WBA away with 2 clear offsides which luckily they could not capitalise on.

ForeverAddickted · November 5

eastterrace6168 said:

...plus a couple of Addicks as well...😉

Is probably why he lets it go

But its that one to the left of Campbell, who by encroaching is able to challenge Docherty for the rebound.

Ducktapeshoerepairs · November 5

Todds_right_hook said:

No obvious error from the ref or Lino, would VAR even have checked this

They look for reasons to disallow goals. VAR is pathetic

Kinsella87 · November 5

Zulu said:

Kinsella87 said:

This exact question is why I wouldn't be as happy getting promoted to the prem as I should be!

So, you dont really want to get to the Prem coz of VAR?...sigh.

Literally didn't say that...

MartinCAFC · November 5

GreenWithEnvy said:

Todds_right_hook said:

No obvious error from the ref or Lino, would VAR even have checked this

The lino last night would have been no use here anyway, he was absolutely tosh last night letting WBA away with 2 clear offsides which luckily they could not capitalise on.

Where I sit in the Covered Upper we can always tell if it’s offside when not flagged as most of the Curbs stand gets up and complains. About the only time they make any noise apart from cheering a goal!

thai malaysia addick · November 5

Like most other fans, I can tell whether the opposition is offside from anywhere in the ground.

Athletico Charlton · November 5

The answer is simple.

No VAR would not have ruled it out.

But if it was against Liverpool, then, yes, it would have ruled it out.

Todds_right_hook · November 5

killerandflash said:

I've seen suggestions on this site that the player who cleared the ball after Doc's missed penalty may have been encroaching, so maybe it would have been retaken.

I think the keeper moved off his line before the ball was hit

Todds_right_hook · November 5

WSS said:

The Charlton insta account shows the goal from a camera behind Carey. Campbell runs out the way and is not anywhere near the keepers line of vision

Chippycafc · November 5

No.. Shot was taken too far out. GK had a good view of it.

SoundAsa£ · November 5

guinnessaddick said:

killerandflash said:

I've seen suggestions on this site that the player who cleared the ball after Doc's missed penalty may have been encroaching, so maybe it would have been retaken.

Watching on the highlights, he was in the box as doc strikes the ball.

Absolutely correct…..the peno should have been retaken……no question whatsoever.

SoundAsa£ · November 5

GreenWithEnvy said:

Todds_right_hook said:

No obvious error from the ref or Lino, would VAR even have checked this

The lino last night would have been no use here anyway, he was absolutely tosh last night letting WBA away with 2 clear offsides which luckily they could not capitalise on.

eastterrace6168 said:

...plus a couple of Addicks as well...😉

However they in no way interfered with play, unlike the WBA defender who immediately got involved in the clearance.

Briston_Addick · November 5

VAR would have disallowed the goal and sent off Carey for his violent kick of the ball.

O-Randy-Hunt · November 5

Is there anyone out there that still likes var or are we all normal and on the same page now?

MartinCAFC · November 5

O-Randy-Hunt said:

Is there anyone out there that still likes var or are we all normal and on the same page now?

I'm still okay with VAR itself, the issue is the way it's used and how often it's used. It was used perfectly during the 2018 World Cup while the Premier League has had an over the top approach to look at absolutely everything.

MuttleyCAFC · November 6

There are some decisions where if the ref gives it one way, VAR goes with him. Carey's goal was a decsision on whether TC was interfering. I am sure the assistant ref will have spotted it and communicated to the ref about TC's position. It wasnt close so the ref will have made the call that he wasn't interfering which I think was the right one. What beat the keeper was the deflection. So basically, VAR wouldn't have changed anything as this was the decision of the referee. And to be honest, that is how VAR should be. I am like a worn record, but this is how the implementation of VAR is wrong. The football authorities think it can make things perfect but it cant and never can. You need good refs and you need to give them authority to make decisions based on what they feel is the situation. The penalty situation is an example of something that should be simple that has become something quite ridiculous. I am not against VAR as means to avoid some massive errors for goals or sending offs, so it should be an option for teams to use once and if they waste the call, it is their mistake. I think it would work that way.

eastterrace6168 · November 6

SoundAsa£ said:

GreenWithEnvy said:

Todds_right_hook said:

No obvious error from the ref or Lino, would VAR even have checked this

The lino last night would have been no use here anyway, he was absolutely tosh last night letting WBA away with 2 clear offsides which luckily they could not capitalise on.

eastterrace6168 said:

...plus a couple of Addicks as well...😉

eastterrace6168 said:

...plus a couple of Addicks as well...😉

However they in no way interfered with play, unlike the WBA defender who immediately got involved in the clearance.

Agree Soundas,,,it was a tongue in cheek comment mate...