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Play-offs to expand to six teams?

UboatUboat
edited September 11 in Other Football and Sports
Not this season, obviously, but the Athletic is reporting that discussions are taking place. The model would be similar to the National League system, but the semi finals would be 2 legged, unlike that model. 
Personally I don’t think the team who finish 8th should go up, but it’s more drama, so why not. 
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  • UboatUboat
    stoneroses19 said:
    First thought is, why?

    Surely it's fine as it is and doesn't currently cause any issues having four sides in play off.  
    Its supporters are arguing that it keeps more teams involved, so fewer meaningless games. That’s true, but then where does it end? 
  • 3G3G
    edited September 11
    Awful idea. Tell them to make do with the vast amounts of money they're already generating. 
  • ForeverAddicktedForeverAddickted
    edited September 11
    I think if they were to copy the National League's model, then League One / League Two should become three up, three down... You can't have 9th getting promoted!!

    I don't like the idea either of the Semi-Final's remaining two legged. I know it didn't favour anyone in the National League last season, but 7th or 8th shouldn't be getting to play a Home match
  • carly burncarly burn
    Absolutely ridiculous. Especially if finishing 2nd means no auto place The national League system is broken anyway.
    York finished 2nd with around 90 odd points and dropped into the playoffs. Oldham who went up through the playoffs had finished 23 points behind York.
    York were toe to toe with Barnet. The pair miles ahead of the rest. To make York, who kept such a resilient push for the top spot drop into the playoffs is a farce in my opinion.
  • fenaddickfenaddick
    ForeverAddickted said:
    I think if they were to copy the National League's model, then League One / League Two should become three up, three down... You can't have 9th getting promoted!!

  • cafc-4-lifecafc-4-life
    The difference is in the National League only 1 guaranteed promotion spot is up for grabs. Where as there's 2 in the EFL and 3 including the play off winner.

    The only way it would be interesting to see it changed is if the winner of the play offs played the 3rd to bottom team in the other league. I understand there's some foreign leagues that do something similar.
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  • SporadicAddickSporadicAddick
    oh for a season where I can go to games and not really give a stuff about the score!

    I just want to finish 10th.
  • ElfsborgAddickElfsborgAddick
    Uboat said:
    stoneroses19 said:
    First thought is, why?

    Surely it's fine as it is and doesn't currently cause any issues having four sides in play off.  
    Its supporters are arguing that it keeps more teams involved, so fewer meaningless games. That’s true, but then where does it end? 

    Absolutely, the next step would be to increase the relegation spots with some sort of play-offs.
    It cheapens things.
  • fenaddickfenaddick
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Uboat said:
    stoneroses19 said:
    First thought is, why?

    Surely it's fine as it is and doesn't currently cause any issues having four sides in play off.  
    Its supporters are arguing that it keeps more teams involved, so fewer meaningless games. That’s true, but then where does it end? 

    Absolutely, the next step would be to increase the relegation spots with some sort of play-offs.
    It cheapens things.
    I’m quite looking forward to the promotion/relegation play offs in the WSL this season. It works well in Germany and Italy. I don’t think I’d want it in the men’s pyramid here but it can be really fun! 
  • killerandflashkillerandflash
    The NL system is meant to benefit the higher placed team, who should be fresher, having played fewer games, but in practice they are instead sometimes just less sharp. By contrast the lower placed team are full of confidence and sharp; winning is a great habit.
  • cantersaddickcantersaddick
    more games in a tight schedule when playoffs impact on summer rest and pre-season already. its a no from me.
  • Pavoren007Pavoren007
    Doesn’t surprise me at all, linked to revenue and easy for them to excuse with precedents at National League and across various other global sports etc - the dramas in NBA with play off rounds after play off rounds deciding ultimate champions just one example.

    Personally, would keep it to teams 3-6, if you have not been good enough to reach 3-6 and qualify for the play offs over 46 games - go again following season!
  • Richard JRichard J
    I might be in a minority , but I agree with this.

    I started watching us in the 70's and many season's just fizzled out with nothing to play for after January / February. The playoff system transformed this. Now it is unusual for any team to have nothing to play for until the last five matches. This would make it even more competitive.

    I have followed the National League Playoff system when it used to be on BT Sport and it has produced some exciting football. For example  Grimsby took the last spot and overcame the odds to beat ( Hollywood) Wrexham 5-4 the other year and achieving promotion. Likewise Braintree used the system to be promoted two years ago. I would argue that the fact they needed to achieve these uplifts by winning two away games and a neutral venue Final make these promotions deserved.

    I think this would be positive 
  • KBslittlesisKBslittlesis
    This is the same nonsense we get in rugby league where you can limp through a season finish 8th & still win a grand final.
    It’s only improved the entertainment for impartial fans who watch on the tv.
    These people don’t give a shite about those who go and watch live.

    Its a feck off hell no from me!
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  • RothkoRothko
    if you look at the NFL, where this is effectively ripping the wild card concept, only 7 teams in 45 years have won the Super Bowl from the Wild card spots
  • golfaddickgolfaddick
    Uboat said:
    stoneroses19 said:
    First thought is, why?

    Surely it's fine as it is and doesn't currently cause any issues having four sides in play off.  
    Its supporters are arguing that it keeps more teams involved, so fewer meaningless games. That’s true, but then where does it end? 
    There aren't many "meaningless" games anymore. In league 1, with 4 going down & 6 places for autos & play offs most teams have something to play for until the last couple of games of the season. Even then, a team in mid-table is usually playing one of the bottom 6 / top 8 so the game still has something on it. Would be interested to somehow many completely "meaningless" games there have been over the last few years. 

    If it ain't broke, don't fix it. 
  • kinveachyaddickkinveachyaddick
    Opposed in principle as it's naturally driven by commercial considerations from EFL and Sky but it would benefit us as logic states that finishing 9th is more achievable this season than finishing 6th.
  • MuttleyCAFCMuttleyCAFC
    It is clearly about money but there is a reputational risk to the competition if it gets silly and the 9th placed team could get promoted.
  • JohnnyJoeyDeeDeeJohnnyJoeyDeeDee
    edited September 11
    NabySarr said:
    cafc-4-life said:
    The difference is in the National League only 1 guaranteed promotion spot is up for grabs. Where as there's 2 in the EFL and 3 including the play off winner.

    The only way it would be interesting to see it changed is if the winner of the play offs played the 3rd to bottom team in the other league. I understand there's some foreign leagues that do something similar.
    I don’t think that works in England due to the financial gaps between the leagues now. The team in the higher league would nearly always win the relegation playoff because their squad would just be so much stronger 
    I sort of agree with this and it would certainly be likely in the Premier League. It might be 40 years ago, but in the couple of seasons they tried that format before, only Charlton stayed up of the teams that finished just outside the relegation places. A team that has got used to losing is likely to struggle against teams that have got used to winning. I would’ve fancied our chances against Luton last season
  • paulsturgesspaulsturgess
    Richard J said:
    I might be in a minority , but I agree with this.

    I started watching us in the 70's and many season's just fizzled out with nothing to play for after January / February. The playoff system transformed this. Now it is unusual for any team to have nothing to play for until the last five matches. This would make it even more competitive.

    I have followed the National League Playoff system when it used to be on BT Sport and it has produced some exciting football. For example  Grimsby took the last spot and overcame the odds to beat ( Hollywood) Wrexham 5-4 the other year and achieving promotion. Likewise Braintree used the system to be promoted two years ago. I would argue that the fact they needed to achieve these uplifts by winning two away games and a neutral venue Final make these promotions deserved.

    I think this would be positive 
    But you’ve just said it’s now unusual for teams to have nothing to play for with 5 games to go. It has been transformed as you say - past tense. It works now. 

    there is league football and cup/ tournament football. This is supposed to league football, the point of the entire rigmarole of the 9 month league season becomes heavily watered down if it just becomes so focused on a quick bout of knockout football. 

    The national league has become ludicrous, the fact Southend very nearly got promoted having finished 28 points behind York who did not make it to Wembley is a complete travesty. If you are doing it like that then you may as well abandon the league season and turn it all into knockout stuff. Obviously that’s anti the objective of the organisers to create extra televised football, but what they’re going to find in the end is there’s just an enormous fixture list of incredibly dull / low stakes games. This already happens in the premier league , they can get away with it at that level but in the football league where the games are ugly anyway… most of the neutrals said our play off matches were like watching paint dry… 
  • LincsaddickLincsaddick
    I really hope not, but if the surveys say it'll be a big earner, then it'll probably happen
  • Lewis CoachesLewis Coaches
    bobmunro said:
    cafc-4-life said:
    The difference is in the National League only 1 guaranteed promotion spot is up for grabs. Where as there's 2 in the EFL and 3 including the play off winner.

    The only way it would be interesting to see it changed is if the winner of the play offs played the 3rd to bottom team in the other league. I understand there's some foreign leagues that do something similar.

    Sort of what it used to be - the team that finished third from bottom entered the playoffs with the teams that finished 3rd, 4th and 5th in the league below. So slightly different in that the team in the higher division had to play a semi-final against the team that finished 5th in the league below, and then the final against the winner of the 3rd and 4th placed teams semi-final.

    29 May 1987, St Andrews :):)

    Leeds beat Oldham on away goals.
    Charlton beat Ipswich

    3 games for Charlton to beat Leeds and less than 30seconds to get out of St Andrews alive.

  • Rock SpectacleRock Spectacle
    And look who finished 8th in the Championship last season 
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