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When is it a foul?

Stuart_Learys_Boots
Stuart_Learys_Boots Posts: 90
in General Charlton
TC seems to be struggling when he receives the ball with his back to a defender. It appears to me that he is effectively shielding the ball yet opposition players seem to be able to push him off the ball from behind. 
Why isn’t that a foul?

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  • Starinnaddick
    Starinnaddick Posts: 4,344
    Stuart_Learys_Boots said:
    TC seems to be struggling when he receives the ball with his back to a defender. It appears to me that he is effectively shielding the ball yet opposition players seem to be able to push him off the ball from behind. 
    Why isn’t that a foul?
    Imo it is but  most referees are ignoring it. Some players still seem to be getting away with holding in the box too. 

  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,766
    You have to show some strength when shielding the ball and learn how to make it look like a foul to the referee.
    The other thing you need to do in each game is read what sort of ref you have. Some wil give everything and some nothing. For instance, I don't think that TC would have got a penalty if he had gone down in the box yesterday.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,004
    superclive98 said:
    You have to show some strength when shielding the ball and learn how to make it look like a foul to the referee.
    The other thing you need to do in each game is read what sort of ref you have. Some wil give everything and some nothing. For instance, I don't think that TC would have got a penalty if he had gone down in the box yesterday.
    Last week's ref gave loads of fouls.
    This week's in a similarly physical game gave a lot less.

    I'll never forget Steven Gerrard for Liverpool v Sheff U.
    A Sheff U player slid in and Gerrard skipped over his leg.
    The ref gave a foul (penalty I think) because of an apparent intent to foul, even though he never touched him.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,628
    TC needs to learn the dark arts. Stamp on the defenders to, elbow in the ribs. All the things "dirty" Leeds did back in the 70's 
  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,766
    golfaddick said:
    TC needs to learn the dark arts. Stamp on the defenders to, elbow in the ribs. All the things "dirty" Leeds did back in the 70's 
    He needs to take a leaf out of the Paul Walsh playbook of the late 70s/early 80s.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,628
    edited August 31
    superclive98 said:
    golfaddick said:
    TC needs to learn the dark arts. Stamp on the defenders to, elbow in the ribs. All the things "dirty" Leeds did back in the 70's 
    He needs to take a leaf out of the Paul Walsh playbook of the late 70s/early 80s.
    What.....and sign for Luton ?
  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,766
    golfaddick said:
    superclive98 said:
    golfaddick said:
    TC needs to learn the dark arts. Stamp on the defenders to, elbow in the ribs. All the things "dirty" Leeds did back in the 70's 
    He needs to take a leaf out of the Paul Walsh playbook of the late 70s/early 80s.
    What.....and sign for Luton ?
    Depends on the offer!
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,274
    edited August 31
    QPR were penalised for 16 fouls but committed a lot more.  16 fouls was still the highest by any Championship side this weekend just been. 

    The fact they only got 3 yellow cards was absolutely criminal by the referee frankly. 

    At one point we were getting fouled every time we ran at them.  He should have claimed down harder.
  • iaitch
    iaitch Posts: 10,229
    edited September 1
    superclive98 said:
    golfaddick said:
    TC needs to learn the dark arts. Stamp on the defenders to, elbow in the ribs. All the things "dirty" Leeds did back in the 70's 
    He needs to take a leaf out of the Paul Walsh playbook of the late 70s/early 80s.
    You mean ask Killer to sort out the defender giving him grief?
  • iaitch
    iaitch Posts: 10,229
    golfaddick said:
    TC needs to learn the dark arts. Stamp on the defenders to, elbow in the ribs. All the things "dirty" Leeds did back in the 70's 
    Thought Hylton was employed to teach them.
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  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    Athletico Charlton said:
    QPR were penalised for 16 fouls but committed a lot more.  16 fouls was still the highest by any Championship side this weekend just been. 

    The fact they only got 3 yellow cards was absolutely criminal by the referee frankly. 

    At one point we were getting fouled every time we ran at them.  He should have claimed down harder.
    I was saying that during the game. I couldn't believe how the ref allowed them to do it. One of the things that is really putting me off football, and has been for years, is the poor quality of the refs. I was hoping that would improve at a higher level. Jones came out after the game and said the QPR player was not booked for a second time for the foul on Kelman because the ref deemed it was not a promising attack. He was on the very edge of the area FFS and would have been in a very promising position had he not been fouled! I mean these people are just not up to the job and you can at least hope the ref assessor picks up on the flaws in the performance.
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,169
    The lack of consistency is frustrating. The Leicester ref gave everything and stopped the game from flowing as well as it should have and the QPR ref allowed too much by which meant as it went on and QPR's fouls got more desperate he wasn't giving out enough cards. Week to week you get completely different thresholds from refs and sometimes you get ones like the QPR one making up rules for why he doesn't want to send people off. Bizarre stuff
  • Raith_C_Chattonell
    Raith_C_Chattonell Posts: 5,679
    I always wonder where the line is drawn on defenders shielding a ball - typically as it is going into touch.  Some defenders are three or four feet from the ball and still shoving the attacker away.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    edited September 1
    Raith_C_Chattonell said:
    I always wonder where the line is drawn on defenders shielding a ball - typically as it is going into touch.  Some defenders are three or four feet from the ball and still shoving the attacker away.
    It is an interesting one. As the law stands it is perfectly legitimate as it comes under shielding the ball. The issue for me is that in certain instances it looks ridiculous. Of course the solution is simple but also complicated. Simple because you can just leave it to the ref to decide when the threshold is broken, complicated because the standard of refs is so poor. It is like the handball law. They are so poor accross the board that their own authorities don't trust their ability to make common sense judgements. So they try to legislate when really it is far more satisfying when the ref is allowed to deem the intent.
  • newyorkaddick
    newyorkaddick Posts: 3,052
    Raith_C_Chattonell said:
    I always wonder where the line is drawn on defenders shielding a ball - typically as it is going into touch.  Some defenders are three or four feet from the ball and still shoving the attacker away.
    Per Law 12.2: "A player may shield the ball by taking a position between an opponent and the ball if the ball is within playing distance and the opponent is not held off with the arms or body."

    However in addition importantly "All players have a right to their position on the field of play; being in the way of an opponent is not the same as moving into the way of an opponent."

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