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Charlton Team - Wembley ‘19 or Wembley ‘25

Who wins? The two starting XIs and subs…


(4-4-2 - was more of a diamond than a flat four)

Phillips

Dijksteel Bauer Sarr Purrington

Pratley Cullen Bielik Aribo

Taylor Parker

(Subs: Maxwell, Pearce, Solly, Forster-Caskey, Reeves, Williams, Lapslie)



(4-3-3 to 3-5-2)

Campbell Godden Small

Docherty Coventry Gilbert

Edwards Gillesphey Jones Ramsay

Mannion

(Subs: Maynard-Brewer, Mitchell, Watson, Berry, Anderson, Aneke, Mbick)
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  • 19
  • Eeesh... Tough question... I think '19 though, and more creative

    I think '25 is better defensively, but I think that '19 is good enough at the back to stop our forward line.
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  • On Paper 19 but they would struggle to score against the 25 team . 
  • 2019 win 80% of the time
  • 19
  • I think if you combined 25 defence and the midfield of 19 it would be worthy of promotion to the PL with Taylor and Godden up top 
  • Definitely 2019 (except for 2/3 positions)
  • Definitely 2019, even if 2025 is stronger defensively. That 2019 team with Karlan staying and a fit Igor on the bench would have got automatic promotion, and stayed up. 

    That 2019 team on promotion would immediately lose the out of contract Bauer and Aribo, and the loan player Bielik so was straight away a lot weaker.
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  • 2025, that 19 team must be right old bar stewards by now  o:)
  • Definitely 2019 (except for 2/3 positions)
    Yeah, I'm thinking I'd probably take Jones over Sarr, Ramsay over Pratley, Godden over Parker. Maybe on the strength of yesterday's performance I'd have to find away of including Gillespie. Other than that I think the 2019 side shades it.  
  • The 19 side, certainly plus KAG , but maybe with Vetokele would have survived if it had been kept together .  
  • I think 25 beats 19 in a match more often than not.
  • Stig said:
    Definitely 2019 (except for 2/3 positions)
    Yeah, I'm thinking I'd probably take Jones over Sarr, Ramsay over Pratley, Godden over Parker. Maybe on the strength of yesterday's performance I'd have to find away of including Gillespie. Other than that I think the 2019 side shades it.  
    Phillips 

    Ramsay, Bauer, Jones, Edwards 

    Bielik

    Cullen Aribo

    Williams

    Taylor, Godden. 

    Subs: Mannion, Gillesphey, Dijksteel,Coventry, Small, Campbell, Aneke . 

    From 98, Rufus, Kinsella , Mendonca would all get in.  Bowen probably .  Different era altogether . 
  • I think 25 beats 19 in a match more often than not.
    I agree! 
  • As long as jones boots Taylor up I’m the air , I don’t Care. 
  • 2019, fairly comfortably too.
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  • Laddick01 said:
    19 is the better team. 25 has a better chance of surviving next season.
    My view, I think individually 19 had the more talented players.

    But I think the culture, manager, team spirit, means that 25 have more chance of consolidating in the championship.
  • Laddick01 said:
    19 is the better team. 25 has a better chance of surviving next season.
    My view, I think individually 19 had the more talented players.

    But I think the culture, manager, team spirit, means that 25 have more chance of consolidating in the championship.
    The 2019 team had a good culture and team spirit , it just didn’t have the chance to show it in the championship.  
  • wmcf123 said:
    Laddick01 said:
    19 is the better team. 25 has a better chance of surviving next season.
    My view, I think individually 19 had the more talented players.

    But I think the culture, manager, team spirit, means that 25 have more chance of consolidating in the championship.
    The 2019 team had a good culture and team spirit , it just didn’t have the chance to show it in the championship.  
    Im not saying it didn’t, but I’m 100% certain it won’t be to the levels that Jones has all the behind the scenes stuff.
  • edited May 27
    2025 the club feels more Championship ready, supporters definitely are. Investment is needed everywhere though, from match day through to ticketing software improvements and facilities at The Valley. Tidying it up, drinks machines (beer and non beer etc) improve the shop once again, fan zone improvements as well. Can't stand still with any of it.
    I hope we get not just recruitment on the field (the priority) but also recruitment throughout the club to help those that have worked hard all this year. If they want 20k crowds, gonna need to get ready for it.
  • We did this a few weeks ago. It’s 2019.
  • Mannion and Phillips similar level GKs.

    Ramsay and Jones our best two players, but Bielik and Bauer were also Championship standard so not much between them.

    Question marks over Gillesphey, Sarr and Pearce at Championship level but all good in L1 in different ways.

    Small over Dijksteel for flair but Dijksteel the more reliable steady player. Dijksteel continued progressing at Boro, Small has the potential to do the same but hasn’t done it yet.

    Edwards over Purrington. Both consistent but Edwards has more about him.

    Coventry over Pratley, I think he’ll stand out for his defensive work next season just as Pratley did in the Championship.

    Cullen over Docherty and Aribo over Gilbert (or Berry/Anderson).

    Taylor over Godden on all round ability.

    TC over Parker, easiest one.

    It’s very close when you compare individuals, even though Bowyer’s team clearly played the more attractive and exciting football. The current team edges it defensively.

    We couldn’t keep Bowyer’s team together so had to rebuild and the budget really limited what could be done.

    We can add to this team and hopefully there will be a budget that means we can at least comfortably survive in the Championship. Huge summer ahead for recruitment.
  • Match Report: Team 25 See Off Team 19 in Extra-Time Wembley Epic

    Wembley Stadium – 80,000 fans – Team 25 win 3-1 AET

    Team 25 emerged victorious in a pulsating clash at Wembley, overcoming Team 19 with a 3-1 win after extra time in front of a deafening 80,000-strong crowd.

    Lee Bowyer’s Team 19, set up in a narrow 4-4-2 diamond, started brighter, their midfield quartet - anchored by Darren Pratley - controlling the early tempo. Their breakthrough came just before the half-hour, when Lyle Taylor’s clever flick found Joe Aribo bursting into the box. Aribo finished smartly past Will Mannion, sending the red side of Wembley into raptures. 

    Nathan Jones’ side, operating in a fluid 4-3-3 that often shifted into a back three, took time to settle. But after the break, the energy of Conor Coventry and the guile of Greg Docherty began to tell. Their equaliser came in the 72nd minute, when Matty Godden latched onto a raking ball from Alex Gilbert and fired confidently into the far corner. 

    Extra time saw Team 25 seize control. In the 98th minute, substitute Karoy Anderson - introduced for Thierry Small - cut inside and unleashed a sensational 25-yard strike that flew into the top corner. With Team 19 pushing forward, gaps emerged, and in the 112th minute, Tyreece Campbell exploited space on the break, squaring unselfishly for Chuks Aneke to tap home the third. 

    Bowyer’s men, including standout performances from Josh Cullen and Krystian Bielik, ran themselves into the ground, but couldn’t stem the late tide. Team 25’s tactical adaptability and fresh legs from the bench made the difference.

    Wembley roared as Nathan Jones and his players celebrated a famous extra-time triumph. 

  • 2025 the club feels more Championship ready, supporters definitely are. Investment is needed everywhere though, from match day through to ticketing software improvements and facilities at The Valley. Tidying it up, drinks machines (beer and non beer etc) improve the shop once again, fan zone improvements as well. Can't stand still with any of it.
    I hope we get not just recruitment on the field (the priority) but also recruitment throughout the club to help those that have worked hard all this year. If they want 20k crowds, gonna need to get ready for it.
    Agreed, I'm 6 years more experienced, I've honed my skills at Wycombe and Cheltenham, and am ready to step up to the next level.
  • Stig said:
    Definitely 2019 (except for 2/3 positions)
    Yeah, I'm thinking I'd probably take Jones over Sarr, Ramsay over Pratley, Godden over Parker. Maybe on the strength of yesterday's performance I'd have to find away of including Gillespie. Other than that I think the 2019 side shades it.  
    pretty much same as I see it
  • We'll hopefully do better next season in the Championship for the experience in 19/20. Never have I felt so gutted when we went down.
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