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    OK.
    RedChaser said:

    @angrybird when you are quoting can post your comments after the quote of the poster you are responding it helps with my OCD of having things in the right order. Ta. :wink:

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    drewman said:

    angrybird said:

    Well i agree about pitch invasions.. it would be effective but it would need a significant amount of fans to make it work and as previous attempts showed this wouldn't happen. I wish i had more constructive ideas but unfortunately i haven't so throwing things in an attempt to get the game abandoned is the only thing i can suggest. Getting someone to sell something they don't want or can't sell is never going to be easy.

    drewman said:

    angrybird said:

    Yes because I'm not being forced to give up supporting my team and enjoying watching them play by him. I won't spend any money in the shop or on programmes etc. But i personally don't think staying away is the answer. He doesn't care one way or another if anyone pitches up. I think getting as many fans as possible to games and causing havoc will be more effective. Just my opinion.

    I respect that. But I think you need to define havoc. Throwing things on the pitch was novel for a couple of games, garnered media interest and gave people the opportunity to feel they were doing something. But......the c**t is still here, like you I have some cynicism about the legitimacy of any takeover and whilst people say it is costing him money being here, is it, or is our debt to stapricks just increasing? Like I said, define havoc, if you want to run on the pitch and stage a sit in, you have my 100% backing but that will likely lead to you getting arrested and banned so you will then have to "give up" watching the team. I support any action that will lead to getting rid of him, but like me, there will be very very few people prepared to stand up and lead any disruption at matches.
    drewman said:

    angrybird said:

    Yes because I'm not being forced to give up supporting my team and enjoying watching them play by him. I won't spend any money in the shop or on programmes etc. But i personally don't think staying away is the answer. He doesn't care one way or another if anyone pitches up. I think getting as many fans as possible to games and causing havoc will be more effective. Just my opinion.

    I respect that. But I think you need to define havoc. Throwing things on the pitch was novel for a couple of games, garnered media interest and gave people the opportunity to feel they were doing something. But......the c**t is still here, like you I have some cynicism about the legitimacy of any takeover and whilst people say it is costing him money being here, is it, or is our debt to stapricks just increasing? Like I said, define havoc, if you want to run on the pitch and stage a sit in, you have my 100% backing but that will likely lead to you getting arrested and banned so you will then have to "give up" watching the team. I support any action that will lead to getting rid of him, but like me, there will be very very few people prepared to stand up and lead any disruption at matches.
    Orient went on the pitch en masse. West Ham made a beeline for the directors box and individuals went on the pitch. To be fair, I think both got the desired outcome. Orient got new owners fairly soon after and I think WH agreed to spend more? SL fans invaded his office in Belgium and a club I cannot recall made death threats to the owner which forced him to sell (possibly Notts County). More direct action can be very effective but it needs to be led by someone and understandably there are very very few takers due to the illegality and immorality of said actions.
    We surrounded the Directors Box against Brighton.
    What's the point - it will be empty apart from Chis and Sue!

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    addick05 said:

    drewman said:

    angrybird said:

    Well i agree about pitch invasions.. it would be effective but it would need a significant amount of fans to make it work and as previous attempts showed this wouldn't happen. I wish i had more constructive ideas but unfortunately i haven't so throwing things in an attempt to get the game abandoned is the only thing i can suggest. Getting someone to sell something they don't want or can't sell is never going to be easy.

    drewman said:

    angrybird said:

    Yes because I'm not being forced to give up supporting my team and enjoying watching them play by him. I won't spend any money in the shop or on programmes etc. But i personally don't think staying away is the answer. He doesn't care one way or another if anyone pitches up. I think getting as many fans as possible to games and causing havoc will be more effective. Just my opinion.

    I respect that. But I think you need to define havoc. Throwing things on the pitch was novel for a couple of games, garnered media interest and gave people the opportunity to feel they were doing something. But......the c**t is still here, like you I have some cynicism about the legitimacy of any takeover and whilst people say it is costing him money being here, is it, or is our debt to stapricks just increasing? Like I said, define havoc, if you want to run on the pitch and stage a sit in, you have my 100% backing but that will likely lead to you getting arrested and banned so you will then have to "give up" watching the team. I support any action that will lead to getting rid of him, but like me, there will be very very few people prepared to stand up and lead any disruption at matches.
    drewman said:

    angrybird said:

    Yes because I'm not being forced to give up supporting my team and enjoying watching them play by him. I won't spend any money in the shop or on programmes etc. But i personally don't think staying away is the answer. He doesn't care one way or another if anyone pitches up. I think getting as many fans as possible to games and causing havoc will be more effective. Just my opinion.

    I respect that. But I think you need to define havoc. Throwing things on the pitch was novel for a couple of games, garnered media interest and gave people the opportunity to feel they were doing something. But......the c**t is still here, like you I have some cynicism about the legitimacy of any takeover and whilst people say it is costing him money being here, is it, or is our debt to stapricks just increasing? Like I said, define havoc, if you want to run on the pitch and stage a sit in, you have my 100% backing but that will likely lead to you getting arrested and banned so you will then have to "give up" watching the team. I support any action that will lead to getting rid of him, but like me, there will be very very few people prepared to stand up and lead any disruption at matches.
    Orient went on the pitch en masse. West Ham made a beeline for the directors box and individuals went on the pitch. To be fair, I think both got the desired outcome. Orient got new owners fairly soon after and I think WH agreed to spend more? SL fans invaded his office in Belgium and a club I cannot recall made death threats to the owner which forced him to sell (possibly Notts County). More direct action can be very effective but it needs to be led by someone and understandably there are very very few takers due to the illegality and immorality of said actions.
    We surrounded the Directors Box against Brighton.
    What's the point - it will be empty apart from Chis and Sue!

    Murray.
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    Greenie said:

    RedChaser said:

    Can't ever get my head round why Gerry Hall left Ferry for Jagger was it money, fame (not Georgie) or something else? :blush:

    Me neither, Jagger the greatest and most famous frontman in the greatest Rock n Roll band ever.
    Aren't you forgetting Donald Fagan from Steeleye Span, Greenie?
    Nah, that's Steely Dan.
    Completely different band.
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    addick05 said:

    drewman said:

    angrybird said:

    Well i agree about pitch invasions.. it would be effective but it would need a significant amount of fans to make it work and as previous attempts showed this wouldn't happen. I wish i had more constructive ideas but unfortunately i haven't so throwing things in an attempt to get the game abandoned is the only thing i can suggest. Getting someone to sell something they don't want or can't sell is never going to be easy.

    drewman said:

    angrybird said:

    Yes because I'm not being forced to give up supporting my team and enjoying watching them play by him. I won't spend any money in the shop or on programmes etc. But i personally don't think staying away is the answer. He doesn't care one way or another if anyone pitches up. I think getting as many fans as possible to games and causing havoc will be more effective. Just my opinion.

    I respect that. But I think you need to define havoc. Throwing things on the pitch was novel for a couple of games, garnered media interest and gave people the opportunity to feel they were doing something. But......the c**t is still here, like you I have some cynicism about the legitimacy of any takeover and whilst people say it is costing him money being here, is it, or is our debt to stapricks just increasing? Like I said, define havoc, if you want to run on the pitch and stage a sit in, you have my 100% backing but that will likely lead to you getting arrested and banned so you will then have to "give up" watching the team. I support any action that will lead to getting rid of him, but like me, there will be very very few people prepared to stand up and lead any disruption at matches.
    drewman said:

    angrybird said:

    Yes because I'm not being forced to give up supporting my team and enjoying watching them play by him. I won't spend any money in the shop or on programmes etc. But i personally don't think staying away is the answer. He doesn't care one way or another if anyone pitches up. I think getting as many fans as possible to games and causing havoc will be more effective. Just my opinion.

    I respect that. But I think you need to define havoc. Throwing things on the pitch was novel for a couple of games, garnered media interest and gave people the opportunity to feel they were doing something. But......the c**t is still here, like you I have some cynicism about the legitimacy of any takeover and whilst people say it is costing him money being here, is it, or is our debt to stapricks just increasing? Like I said, define havoc, if you want to run on the pitch and stage a sit in, you have my 100% backing but that will likely lead to you getting arrested and banned so you will then have to "give up" watching the team. I support any action that will lead to getting rid of him, but like me, there will be very very few people prepared to stand up and lead any disruption at matches.
    Orient went on the pitch en masse. West Ham made a beeline for the directors box and individuals went on the pitch. To be fair, I think both got the desired outcome. Orient got new owners fairly soon after and I think WH agreed to spend more? SL fans invaded his office in Belgium and a club I cannot recall made death threats to the owner which forced him to sell (possibly Notts County). More direct action can be very effective but it needs to be led by someone and understandably there are very very few takers due to the illegality and immorality of said actions.
    We surrounded the Directors Box against Brighton.
    What's the point - it will be empty apart from Chis and Sue!

    Murray.
    But he's just a puppet and has no influence on Douchebags. By all means let him know how you feel (as if he doesn't know already) but barking at him - and anyone else in the directors' box (to me at any rate) is pretty pointless.
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    C’mon, C’mon
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    Nice sentiment, OP, but dream on.
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    I don't really get why Roland Rat hangs onto Charlton given he has no interest in football, has an asset that is declining in value and continues to lose money. Are we missing something?

    The longer he holds onto it the more money he loses so wtf is going on inside his head? Losing a few million quid by selling the club will at least bring it to an end - is there a hidden benefit in retaining ownership or is he just acting out of spite?

    He can't run the rest of his 'empire' in such a short-sighted manner?

    is it real estate no charlton no problem its been his plan all along,backhanders,planning permission,house shortage and he doesnt do failure
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    edited August 2018

    Of course, I’m providing a view that suits my own agenda, but I genuinely don’t feel a boycott will ever work.

    We had one chance at it imo, when we were relegated from Champ, but in hindsight it wasn’t pushed hard enough and it was conflicted by those small in number but loud in ‘noise’ who were desperate to galvanise ‘pro club / anti protest’ and driving a wedge with ‘protestors not being real fans’. Mainly because there was dislike from a few in that camp governed by hate for some of those involved with the protest movement And in a way, that worked, and was supported with the Slade / EFL recruitment shift.

    All the momentum that was built up into the end of the previous season (where it escalated from Boro Sky game to the Burnley game) had evaporated by that point. There were a couple of,notable successes the following season, but they were sporadic and both the unique ideas had run dry and the wider support eroded.

    A boycott won’t work now,as there are already enough fans committed to going and enough doubt in its effectiveness to leave open questions. The danger is that for every 100 that ‘boycott’, the likelihood is there are 50 that are simply wringing their hands with it and are walking away. The longer people ‘boycott’ and the longer he remains, the high the percentage of people that are gone forever and their kids never taking up the reigns in providing the next generation

    If you were to offer the flip argument to ‘boycotting and starving the club of your cash’ (which I fully appreciate the logic of why), you could argue that the protests were at their most vibrant and supported with more people in the stadium. And if you wanted to cost R.D. money, then it would be having to fork out with the extensive enhanced security that had to be drawn in previously.

    What happened in the summer of 2016 is that about 4,000 people stopped going, because they decided they had better things to do. They haven't come back. I think it's fanciful to imagine that if someone had shouted "boycott" that summer the outcome would have been significantly different to now or that the fact a few other people decided to post the opposite view and attack other fans on the internet made any difference either.

    Believing otherwise is to give way too much weight to the influence of individuals and/or social media and message boards. Whether people will go is about the credibility of the football offer from the club - was then and is now. Everyone can have a view, but that's all it is. A boycott is quite different from asking people to join in a one-off protest after which they can then go off and do what they normally do. It would only have happened in 2016 if, for example, the club had brought Karel Fraeye back.
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    RedChaser said:

    @angrybird when you are quoting can post your comments after the quote of the poster you are responding it helps with my OCD of having things in the right order. Ta. :wink:

    Bully.
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    RedChaser said:

    T_C_E said:

    A question for Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms @angrybird.
    I have a magic wand and if I waved it and promised you he would leave but only if you didn't attend for one game, would you?

    Flaming Nora we're onto would yas now :wink:
    I wonder if angrybird is a wouldya?!
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    Of course, I’m providing a view that suits my own agenda, but I genuinely don’t feel a boycott will ever work.

    We had one chance at it imo, when we were relegated from Champ, but in hindsight it wasn’t pushed hard enough and it was conflicted by those small in number but loud in ‘noise’ who were desperate to galvanise ‘pro club / anti protest’ and driving a wedge with ‘protestors not being real fans’. Mainly because there was dislike from a few in that camp governed by hate for some of those involved with the protest movement And in a way, that worked, and was supported with the Slade / EFL recruitment shift.

    All the momentum that was built up into the end of the previous season (where it escalated from Boro Sky game to the Burnley game) had evaporated by that point. There were a couple of,notable successes the following season, but they were sporadic and both the unique ideas had run dry and the wider support eroded.

    A boycott won’t work now,as there are already enough fans committed to going and enough doubt in its effectiveness to leave open questions. The danger is that for every 100 that ‘boycott’, the likelihood is there are 50 that are simply wringing their hands with it and are walking away. The longer people ‘boycott’ and the longer he remains, the high the percentage of people that are gone forever and their kids never taking up the reigns in providing the next generation

    If you were to offer the flip argument to ‘boycotting and starving the club of your cash’ (which I fully appreciate the logic of why), you could argue that the protests were at their most vibrant and supported with more people in the stadium. And if you wanted to cost R.D. money, then it would be having to fork out with the extensive enhanced security that had to be drawn in previously.

    100% with the 2nd paragraph.
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    I don't really get why Roland Rat hangs onto Charlton given he has no interest in football, has an asset that is declining in value and continues to lose money. Are we missing something?

    The longer he holds onto it the more money he loses so wtf is going on inside his head? Losing a few million quid by selling the club will at least bring it to an end - is there a hidden benefit in retaining ownership or is he just acting out of spite?

    He can't run the rest of his 'empire' in such a short-sighted manner?

    Not much of it makes sense to me. I don't get RD's strategy, assuming he has one, and I don't get why the Aussies haven't pulled out. As the assets disappear and promotion this year becomes less and less likely, I can't believe that they don't see Charlton as a worse investment than when they first negotiated with RD (assuming they did). Things just don't stack up.
    The land.
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