Did the fielding team appeal for the wicket or was it the umpires decision ?
I believe the keeper put his hand up after he had the ball returned.
I understand the captain of the fielding side can withdraw the appeal, but clearly he didn’t. I might be wrong on that.
That is correct and the withdrawal of the appeal must be made before the next ball is bowled or in the case of a last wicket of the innings, before the Umpires leave the field.
How the umpires didn't rule this a dead ball is ridiculous.
If an appeal is made (and not withdrawn) and there had been a valid form of dismissal, then the umpire cannot do anything other than give the batsman out.
How the umpires didn't rule this a dead ball is ridiculous.
The player broke the Laws of the game - the batsman cannot pick the ball up without the permission of the fielding side. There is no provision under the Laws for the Umpire to override that. It is a cheap and nasty way to take a wicket but I bet the batsman never does it again!
If that had happened to me/my team, I would have asked each of the remaining incoming batsmen to then block the ball, pick it up throw it back to the wicket keeper and walk off out.
How the umpires didn't rule this a dead ball is ridiculous.
The player broke the Laws of the game - the batsman cannot pick the ball up without the permission of the fielding side. There is no provision under the Laws for the Umpire to override that. It is a cheap and nasty way to take a wicket but I bet the batsman never does it again!
Still, the ball is dead. It had stopped moving. The fielding side almost certainly considered the ball dead, and if they didn't then they're absolutely wrong.
Awful from the fielding side but I reckon the umpires should have just given it not out. Any subsequent kerfuffle would have seen at worst a law change
Awful from the fielding side but I reckon the umpires should have just given it not out. Any subsequent kerfuffle would have seen at worst a law change
Umpires could have just laughed and said not out as he was hardly obstructing the field.
How the umpires didn't rule this a dead ball is ridiculous.
The player broke the Laws of the game - the batsman cannot pick the ball up without the permission of the fielding side. There is no provision under the Laws for the Umpire to override that. It is a cheap and nasty way to take a wicket but I bet the batsman never does it again!
Still, the ball is dead. It had stopped moving. The fielding side almost certainly considered the ball dead, and if they didn't then they're absolutely wrong.
When the ball is dead, surely it can be handled?
Under the Laws of the game it cannot be picked up without the permission of the fielding side. I can only assume that it is as it is to avoid a situation where there is a dispute as to whether the ball has actually stopped rolling when the batsman picks it up.
Its out under the laws of the game. A bit like golf, players should know & understand the laws & when they change. A bit like a run-out when backing up. Not pleasant but its in the laws of cricket.
As @MrOneLung says, the rest of the batsman could have done the same & given the umpires and/or the lawmakers something to think about.
Its out under the laws of the game. A bit like golf, players should know & understand the laws & when they change. A bit like a run-out when backing up. Not pleasant but its in the laws of cricket.
As @MrOneLung says, the rest of the batsman could have done the same & given the umpires and/or the lawmakers something to think about.
Yes but lost the game that they would won anyway and probably out of the World Cup as a result. Not many teams would do that.
And I've changed my mind on being run out backing up as I always thought it was poor play. However, when you see how far the non striker does back up sometimes and then manages to scramble a single to the keeper standing back, he is seeking to gain an unfair advantage.
The batsman who picked the ball up wasn't and it was appalling from the Windies. However, he still, technically, broke the Laws.
Its out under the laws of the game. A bit like golf, players should know & understand the laws & when they change. A bit like a run-out when backing up. Not pleasant but its in the laws of cricket.
As @MrOneLung says, the rest of the batsman could have done the same & given the umpires and/or the lawmakers something to think about.
Backing up is seeking an advantage but I can't see what advantage is gained from picking up a ball which has stopped moving .
In these situations, the ball is only dead when it is on its way back to the bowler, or when the umpire announces or signals that it is dead. If the ball passes the bat/wicket and reaches the wicket keeper it remains live until the wicket keeper then moves it on for the next delivery, or the players move to change ends at the completion of an over. The ball is live again, when the bowler commences his next run up Reprehensibly cynical gamesmanship from the WIndies but a harsh lesson learned for the batsman. If the WIndies side is to avoid the stench this creates they need to throw the fielder who appealed and the captain who didn't revoke it under the bus and hang them out to dry as the hollow scumbags they clearly are. The umpires had no discretion. If they were properly switched on they could have asked the captain 'are you sure, do you want to dismiss the batsman for that?' But they assuredly have no discretion, unlike the weasel snivelling players. Good to see the cheats in this case didn't prosper. The ICC obviously need to make the small amendment to the laws that's required but they won't cos it didn't involve the English, Indian or Aussie senior sides and there isn't a major TV company telling them what to do and how much they'll get paid for it.
I also think that not warning the player in this case is a little unfair. Yes, he may be technically out, but I can't see how dismissing him is within the spirit of the game. What a shame.
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I understand the captain of the fielding side can withdraw the appeal, but clearly he didn’t. I might be wrong on that.
When the ball is dead, surely it can be handled?
As @MrOneLung says, the rest of the batsman could have done the same & given the umpires and/or the lawmakers something to think about.
And I've changed my mind on being run out backing up as I always thought it was poor play. However, when you see how far the non striker does back up sometimes and then manages to scramble a single to the keeper standing back, he is seeking to gain an unfair advantage.
The batsman who picked the ball up wasn't and it was appalling from the Windies. However, he still, technically, broke the Laws.
If the ball passes the bat/wicket and reaches the wicket keeper it remains live until the wicket keeper then moves it on for the next delivery, or the players move to change ends at the completion of an over.
The ball is live again, when the bowler commences his next run up
Reprehensibly cynical gamesmanship from the WIndies but a harsh lesson learned for the batsman.
If the WIndies side is to avoid the stench this creates they need to throw the fielder who appealed and the captain who didn't revoke it under the bus and hang them out to dry as the hollow scumbags they clearly are.
The umpires had no discretion. If they were properly switched on they could have asked the captain 'are you sure, do you want to dismiss the batsman for that?' But they assuredly have no discretion, unlike the weasel snivelling players.
Good to see the cheats in this case didn't prosper.
The ICC obviously need to make the small amendment to the laws that's required but they won't cos it didn't involve the English, Indian or Aussie senior sides and there isn't a major TV company telling them what to do and how much they'll get paid for it.
I think the spirit of cricket died the day WG Grace replaced the bails after being bowled and announced "they've come to see me bat, not you bowl"
I also think that not warning the player in this case is a little unfair. Yes, he may be technically out, but I can't see how dismissing him is within the spirit of the game. What a shame.