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The ultimate train fan thread?

Starting to think of doing this next year for special wedding anniversary. Picked up some good travel tips on here from other questions so chucking it out there: anyone done it or hoping to do it one day?
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    Would love to do this simply because how long it is... Reckon you'd see some amazing places on your way through.

    Remember being down in New Zealand a few years ago and I did their three train journeys (Auckland to Wellington) (Picton to Christchurch) (Christchurch to Greymouth) with the first one being a 10-hour trip
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    It's the trans-Manchurian line we are interested in, finishing in Beijing eight days or so later - epic!
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    edited April 2017
    Wasnt there talk of amending the tracks slightly (Going I'm going proper geek) to extend the railway to London?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3822871/New-Trans-Siberian-rail-link-mean-passengers-travel-6-000-miles-London-TOKYO.html
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    Wasnt there talk of amending the tracks slightly (Going I'm going proper geek) to extend the railway to London?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3822871/New-Trans-Siberian-rail-link-mean-passengers-travel-6-000-miles-London-TOKYO.html

    I feel like at one point there was talk of it going all the way through to the States as well? Maybe I just made that up in the hope it would be expanded all the way down to California (how epic would that be!!!!).
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    If you haven't already come across it, this is the site you need for any rail travel, not just this one.

    Personally I would baulk at it now because at my age I wanna do my 10k steps each day and eat decent food. But I would understand a lot of people would consider that a fairly wimpish/spoilt attitude. I did consider it a few times, but no-one else I knew ever fancied it. Lucky you if your wife is up for it. My wife thinks I am barking for travelling Ebbsfleet -Prague by train. She's told me in no uncertain terms that she's not up for that.
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    It's the trans-Manchurian line we are interested in, finishing in Beijing eight days or so later - epic!

    Trans-Mongolian? Looks the best I agree.

    If I remember rightly, you can basically go from London, London to Cologne, Cologne to Moscow, then onwards.

    This is a very Charlton thread!
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    Wasnt there talk of amending the tracks slightly (Going I'm going proper geek) to extend the railway to London?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3822871/New-Trans-Siberian-rail-link-mean-passengers-travel-6-000-miles-London-TOKYO.html

    That 26 mile tunnel between Russia and Japan sounds expensive!

    I've always fancied the Trans Siberian, but it's one of these years type trip, rather than top of my list. I did do a long Amtrak trip a couple of years ago, Chicago to San Francisco which takes 2 days in total
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    I would imagine you just see a couple of thousand miles of empty countryside.
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    The ultimate train fan thread?

    Starting to think of doing this next year for special wedding anniversary. Picked up some good travel tips on here from other questions so chucking it out there: anyone done it or hoping to do it one day?

    For years I've been planning to go watch Amkar Perm, my favourite Russian team.
    Because of my age, next year should be my last opportunity to take the transsiberian which stops in Perm.
    And there's the World Cup.
    I'll be alone, so will be delighted if we can have some dates coincide.
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    Wasnt there talk of amending the tracks slightly (Going I'm going proper geek) to extend the railway to London?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3822871/New-Trans-Siberian-rail-link-mean-passengers-travel-6-000-miles-London-TOKYO.html

    That 26 mile tunnel between Russia and Japan sounds expensive!

    I've always fancied the Trans Siberian, but it's one of these years type trip, rather than top of my list. I did do a long Amtrak trip a couple of years ago, Chicago to San Francisco which takes 2 days in total
    Is it only 2 days? I thought it was closer to 3-4 but I haven't done it myself.

    Parts of that will be really interesting and really beautiful, but other parts will be pretty boring (namely the midwest and Nevada parts).

    Actually I say that but I'm not entirely certain what the route is, so I might just be talking nonsense.
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    Wasnt there talk of amending the tracks slightly (Going I'm going proper geek) to extend the railway to London?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3822871/New-Trans-Siberian-rail-link-mean-passengers-travel-6-000-miles-London-TOKYO.html

    The key words there are Daily and Mail.

    The tracks are not amended. In Russia (and Finland) the width of the track is slightly wider than the rest of the world, but the Russians build coaches whose wheels can be quickly adjusted at the border. Thats how you can see new Russian sleeping car trains in places like Paris, Nice or Venice. I believe the Japanese plan is all about freight rather than passenger transit. There is already a Silk Road freight train route from China through to the UK, I believe.

    @adrian It's going off topic but how did you get to have a favourite Russian team, and how did it turn out to be Amkar Perm? I think you were one of those who followed my Viktoria Plzen thread, but Plzen is only an hour down the motorway for me, whereas Perm...

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    It's a trip I'd like to make one day. I believe there are three possible routes with one of them little frequented by tourists (the most northerly one, I think) but the Mongolian route appeals most. I'd fancy breaking the journey frequently, jumping off at random obscure stations and spending the night there, copies of Tolstoy, Gogol and Chekhov in my backpack to keep me company.
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    SDAddick said:

    Wasnt there talk of amending the tracks slightly (Going I'm going proper geek) to extend the railway to London?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3822871/New-Trans-Siberian-rail-link-mean-passengers-travel-6-000-miles-London-TOKYO.html

    That 26 mile tunnel between Russia and Japan sounds expensive!

    I've always fancied the Trans Siberian, but it's one of these years type trip, rather than top of my list. I did do a long Amtrak trip a couple of years ago, Chicago to San Francisco which takes 2 days in total
    Is it only 2 days? I thought it was closer to 3-4 but I haven't done it myself.

    Parts of that will be really interesting and really beautiful, but other parts will be pretty boring (namely the midwest and Nevada parts).

    Actually I say that but I'm not entirely certain what the route is, so I might just be talking nonsense.
    Much of the Midwest section is at night anyway, the train is timed to go through the most scenic sections during the day

    I broke the journey half way through
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    God this thread is fast becoming "The most CL thread of the year."
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    SDAddick said:

    Wasnt there talk of amending the tracks slightly (Going I'm going proper geek) to extend the railway to London?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3822871/New-Trans-Siberian-rail-link-mean-passengers-travel-6-000-miles-London-TOKYO.html

    That 26 mile tunnel between Russia and Japan sounds expensive!

    I've always fancied the Trans Siberian, but it's one of these years type trip, rather than top of my list. I did do a long Amtrak trip a couple of years ago, Chicago to San Francisco which takes 2 days in total
    Is it only 2 days? I thought it was closer to 3-4 but I haven't done it myself.

    Parts of that will be really interesting and really beautiful, but other parts will be pretty boring (namely the midwest and Nevada parts).

    Actually I say that but I'm not entirely certain what the route is, so I might just be talking nonsense.
    Much of the Midwest section is at night anyway, the train is timed to go through the most scenic sections during the day

    I broke the journey half way through
    One thing I've heard about taking the train or driving through the states is it really makes you appreciate how vast of a country it is. Americans get a lot of stick for not traveling abroad, and not necessarily wrongly, but this country is huge. All of you are roughly as close to New York city as I am. For me to just drive from Oregon to LA where my parents live, it's 14 hours. And that covers two states, and such a variety of topography and culture.
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    @Siv_in_Norfolk

    What a brilliant account, and hats off to you for that trip back especially. What was so good about the Kazakh train?
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    Good morning. We did the Trans Mongolian in 2005 and it was truly amazing.
    Flew London, Amsterdam to Moscow and had a couple nights there before getting the train. I would recommend you stop over en route if you have time. We stopped over in Ekaterinburg, Irkutsk and Ulan Bator which broke up the journey. Mongolia and its people are amazing, so friendly and helpful, stay a few days if you can.
    The train is very comfortable and sitting having a meal with Vodka trundling through Russia will be a memory never forgotten. On the border with China, they change the wheels by lifting the carriage, with you all in it, and placing a new set of wheels underneath. Met lots of tourists from all over the world and everyone really gets on. The locals at the station sell all sorts of things and we even found bottles of Stella at one station.
    Stayed in Beijing and did the Great Wall and the Terracotta Army before flying HK and home. Thoroughly recommended but do plenty of planning in advance, there was a Russian site that did all our bookings for us, I’ll see if I still have the details.
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    @Siv_in_Norfolk

    What a brilliant account, and hats off to you for that trip back especially. What was so good about the Kazakh train?

    Brand new. High quality interior throughout. Super clean. All laid out functionally with charging points and USB. Had my own cabin for a low low price with shower, bed, sink, hangers etc.

    All of this is in part due to China investing in infrastructure through Central Asia for its stated aim of creating a "new Silk Road"

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    @PragueAddick I befriended some Russians from Perm at a coin collectors' fair a few years ago. They talked about their city's history which boasts the largest avenues in Russia. Due to the armament industries during WW2, Perm (then called Molotov) was a forbidden city for foreigners - and not only.
    Now these guys were die-hard fans of Amkar. What a name ! Made up of the abbreviation of ammonia and carbanide, chemical substances produced by main plant in Perm.
    Although Amkar's history only goes back to 1994, they had a lot to talk about.
    What I remember, is their team holds several clean-sheet records, that they were frustrated because they had just been ousted by Fulham in the UEFA Cup and the fierce rivalry they have with Ural Ekaterinenburg.
    To the extent that when these teams meet, to drown and silence the crude insults exchanged by the opposing fans, music is put on DURING the games!
    That's why I'm eager to attend a derby and enrich my Russian vocabulery with some 'crude' insults.
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    This book -

    https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/1033279/human-punk/

    - will give you a good insight into the trip!

    It's written by John King, who wrote the Football Factory trilogy.

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    adrian said:

    @PragueAddick I befriended some Russians from Perm at a coin collectors' fair a few years ago. They talked about their city's history which boasts the largest avenues in Russia. Due to the armament industries during WW2, Perm (then called Molotov) was a forbidden city for foreigners - and not only.
    Now these guys were die-hard fans of Amkar. What a name ! Made up of the abbreviation of ammonia and carbanide, chemical substances produced by main plant in Perm.
    Although Amkar's history only goes back to 1994, they had a lot to talk about.
    What I remember, is their team holds several clean-sheet records, that they were frustrated because they had just been ousted by Fulham in the UEFA Cup and the fierce rivalry they have with Ural Ekaterinenburg.
    To the extent that when these teams meet, to drown and silence the crude insults exchanged by the opposing fans, music is put on DURING the games!
    That's why I'm eager to attend a derby and enrich my Russian vocabulery with some 'crude' insults.

    so they are the Russian equivalent of Billingham Synthonia !!!
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    MrOneLung said:

    I would imagine you just see a couple of thousand miles of empty countryside.

    It'd make a change from seeing so many empty seats at The Valley.

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    Also went on the Chicago - San Francisco 'California Zephyr' train a couple of years ago. About 3 days, two nights on the train. Stunning views of through the Rocky Mountains and along the river towards Glenwood Springs. Then the Nevada plains.

    Got to meet all sorts on the trip, some real characters. Highly recommended.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Zephyr
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    Take a look at this site too: http://www.seat61.com/Trans-Siberian.htm

    Also very useful for European trips
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    I did the Trans Mongolian trip in 2009 as part of a world trip. From St Pete's to Moscow by overnight train with time in each and then train one Moscow to Irkutsk, Irkutsk to Ulan Bataar and then train three onto Beijing. There are some tourist trains that are expensive and take the trip in one go (as you can) but I did the normal passenger train and stayed at places on-route, as its a lot of time on the train. It's a bit basic but a great way to travel across Russia and Mongolia into China. When in Irkutsk a trip to Olkhom Island is a must, as is a trip out of Ulan Bataar into the countryside. A small travel company Lupine Travel organised this trip including accommodation, train tickets, invite to Russia (needed for a visa) and they were very good and also much cheaper than other providers. Their website is www.lupinetravel.co.uk and the owner is Dylan Harris. Hope this helps
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    Starting to plan this properly now for the summer and very excited about it. Thanks for all the suggestions and shared experiences above - really helpful. Any other advice well appreciated. This site is better than Tripadvisor for travel tips!
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    Are you doing the Trans-Mongolian?
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