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++Charlie Kelman signs on a 4 year deal++
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fenaddick said:
Oi, some of us are young, unfit and slightly rotund thank you very muchSword65pf said:This thread has gone a bit weird, talking about players arses!!!!, which is ironic because most of us on here are probably old, unfit and slightly rotund!! Good old CL hypocrisy for you😂Dunno what you mean!!
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I think there's a limit to that, thinking of JFH specifically.Chunes said:
Always thought that the best hold-up players have wider body frames / arses. So much harder to get to the ball.fenaddick said:
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/2660837/2021/06/22/yaya-toure-why-bums-are-so-important-in-football/CharltonManor1966 said:
Yeah. Its hips and arse kind of weight - just seems a bit over heavy to me but these guys won't get on the pitch if they are not absolutely 100% so you are probably right. Enjoy your pie and chips with Charlie next week!Mendonca In Asdas said:Up close, he’s as slim as a sausage.
It's also why Ahadme immediately looked suspect because he's thin and spindly and has no width to block off a defender behind him. Couple that with awful balance and that's why he's spent the season playing second fiddle at Stevanage.
Here's hoping we implement 'The Big Arse Policy' in future.1 -
I dont rate him - L1 level at best.9
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Perhaps we should set aside a portion of this summer's transfer kitty to get all out strikers Brazilian Butt Lifts.Chunes said:
Always thought that the best hold-up players have wider body frames / arses. So much harder to get to the ball.fenaddick said:
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/2660837/2021/06/22/yaya-toure-why-bums-are-so-important-in-football/CharltonManor1966 said:
Yeah. Its hips and arse kind of weight - just seems a bit over heavy to me but these guys won't get on the pitch if they are not absolutely 100% so you are probably right. Enjoy your pie and chips with Charlie next week!Mendonca In Asdas said:Up close, he’s as slim as a sausage.
It's also why Ahadme immediately looked suspect because he's thin and spindly and has no width to block off a defender behind him. Couple that with awful balance and that's why he's spent the season playing second fiddle at Stevanage.
Here's hoping we implement 'The Big Arse Policy' in future.0 -
So you dont rate a goalscorer … ???????Zulu said:I dont rate him - L1 level at best.3 -
We’re not even at the end of the season, I believe we didn’t get Harry Kane, and And Declan O , Rice , Rice, Baby.RonnieMoore said:
So you dont rate a goalscorer … ???????Zulu said:I dont rate him - L1 level at best.0 -
My arse has also got a crack in it so totally unfit for purpose!Sword65pf said:This thread has gone a bit weird, talking about players arses!!!!, which is ironic because most of us on here are probably old, unfit and slightly rotund!! Good old CL hypocrisy for you😂0 -
He doing OK
We just have not found a good partner for him.0 -
Good job your'e not making the decisions then.Zulu said:I dont rate him - L1 level at best.1 -
Championship level goal scoring ability, L1 all round play. Personally think it’s too early to call with him next season is where we really if he has what it takesZulu said:I dont rate him - L1 level at best.2 -
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AI tells me ...'During the 2025–26 season with Charlton Athletic, he has made 30 total appearances and scored 6 goals. ' (and weren't 2 of those pens?)RonnieMoore said:
So you dont rate a goalscorer … ???????Zulu said:I dont rate him - L1 level at best.
Is that what you call a goalscorer?4 -
Well he’s made 28 league appearances and 31 in total so that’s a good start.Zulu said:
AI tells me ...'During the 2025–26 season with Charlton Athletic, he has made 30 total appearances and scored 6 goals. 'RonnieMoore said:
So you dont rate a goalscorer … ???????Zulu said:I dont rate him - L1 level at best.
Is that what you call a goalscorer?
He’s in the top 27% of Championship forwards for goals per 90 and has 4 non penalty goals from an xG of 2.65. That suggests he’s a goal scorer if given the chances2 -
So, (forgive my ignorance) does that mean, (lets say there are 100 champs forwards for ease), he's 27th in list ?fenaddick said:
Well he’s made 28 league appearances and 31 in total so that’s a good start.Zulu said:
AI tells me ...'During the 2025–26 season with Charlton Athletic, he has made 30 total appearances and scored 6 goals. 'RonnieMoore said:
So you dont rate a goalscorer … ???????Zulu said:I dont rate him - L1 level at best.
Is that what you call a goalscorer?
He’s in the top 27% of Championship forwards for goals per 90 and has 4 non penalty goals from an xG of 2.65. That suggests he’s a goal scorer if given the chances
And 4 goals from open play from 31 appearances.?
That sounds like a really good goalscorer to me.1 -
Crispywood said:
Championship level goal scoring ability, L1 all round play. Personally think it’s too early to call with him next season is where we really if he has what it takesZulu said:I dont rate him - L1 level at best.
Thats the bit I disagree with the most. His hold up play, ability to lay the ball off, and control is absolutely Championship class.4 -
The CharltonLife height & width test - 6ft tall, 6ft wide.Chunes said:
Always thought that the best hold-up players have wider body frames / arses. So much harder to get to the ball.fenaddick said:
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/2660837/2021/06/22/yaya-toure-why-bums-are-so-important-in-football/CharltonManor1966 said:
Yeah. Its hips and arse kind of weight - just seems a bit over heavy to me but these guys won't get on the pitch if they are not absolutely 100% so you are probably right. Enjoy your pie and chips with Charlie next week!Mendonca In Asdas said:Up close, he’s as slim as a sausage.
It's also why Ahadme immediately looked suspect because he's thin and spindly and has no width to block off a defender behind him. Couple that with awful balance and that's why he's spent the season playing second fiddle at Stevanage.
Here's hoping we implement 'The Big Arse Policy' in future.2 -
Probably nearer to Scottish championship than our championshipDamoNorthStand said:Crispywood said:
Championship level goal scoring ability, L1 all round play. Personally think it’s too early to call with him next season is where we really if he has what it takesZulu said:I dont rate him - L1 level at best.
Thats the bit I disagree with the most. His hold up play, ability to lay the ball off, and control is absolutely Championship class.
His all round game is really poor, his finishing is very good. We’ve obviously bought him thinking we can improve the all round game, and then we will have a really good player that’s worth more than the fee we paid for him2 -
Yes it would mean that.Zulu said:
So, (forgive my ignorance) does that mean, (lets say there are 100 champs forwards for ease), he's 27th in list ?fenaddick said:
Well he’s made 28 league appearances and 31 in total so that’s a good start.Zulu said:
AI tells me ...'During the 2025–26 season with Charlton Athletic, he has made 30 total appearances and scored 6 goals. 'RonnieMoore said:
So you dont rate a goalscorer … ???????Zulu said:I dont rate him - L1 level at best.
Is that what you call a goalscorer?
He’s in the top 27% of Championship forwards for goals per 90 and has 4 non penalty goals from an xG of 2.65. That suggests he’s a goal scorer if given the chances
And 4 goals from open play from 31 appearances.?
That sounds like a really good goalscorer to me.
Judging someone purely on goals scored is so reductive and completely ignores what’s happening in the rest of the team. We are a bottom end team who don’t create many chances, if any of our strikers hit double figures (and he very well might) that’s an impressive achievement3 -
It’s also important to remember that one of our midfielders nearly has without taking any penalties.fenaddick said:
Yes it would mean that.Zulu said:
So, (forgive my ignorance) does that mean, (lets say there are 100 champs forwards for ease), he's 27th in list ?fenaddick said:
Well he’s made 28 league appearances and 31 in total so that’s a good start.Zulu said:
AI tells me ...'During the 2025–26 season with Charlton Athletic, he has made 30 total appearances and scored 6 goals. 'RonnieMoore said:
So you dont rate a goalscorer … ???????Zulu said:I dont rate him - L1 level at best.
Is that what you call a goalscorer?
He’s in the top 27% of Championship forwards for goals per 90 and has 4 non penalty goals from an xG of 2.65. That suggests he’s a goal scorer if given the chances
And 4 goals from open play from 31 appearances.?
That sounds like a really good goalscorer to me.
Judging someone purely on goals scored is so reductive and completely ignores what’s happening in the rest of the team. We are a bottom end team who don’t create many chances, if any of our strikers hit double figures (and he very well might) that’s an impressive achievement
Suggests that you can get plenty of chances if you’re in the right areas.1 -
He’s not scoring strikers goals though, I’d be concerned if Kelman is hanging around the edge of the box to shoot from distance. That isn’t his jobCafcSteve said:
It’s also important to remember that one of our midfielders nearly has without taking any penalties.fenaddick said:
Yes it would mean that.Zulu said:
So, (forgive my ignorance) does that mean, (lets say there are 100 champs forwards for ease), he's 27th in list ?fenaddick said:
Well he’s made 28 league appearances and 31 in total so that’s a good start.Zulu said:
AI tells me ...'During the 2025–26 season with Charlton Athletic, he has made 30 total appearances and scored 6 goals. 'RonnieMoore said:
So you dont rate a goalscorer … ???????Zulu said:I dont rate him - L1 level at best.
Is that what you call a goalscorer?
He’s in the top 27% of Championship forwards for goals per 90 and has 4 non penalty goals from an xG of 2.65. That suggests he’s a goal scorer if given the chances
And 4 goals from open play from 31 appearances.?
That sounds like a really good goalscorer to me.
Judging someone purely on goals scored is so reductive and completely ignores what’s happening in the rest of the team. We are a bottom end team who don’t create many chances, if any of our strikers hit double figures (and he very well might) that’s an impressive achievement
Suggests that you can get plenty of chances if you’re in the right areas.1 -
Although they didn't play together, this is like the Carl Leaburn vs Derek Hales argument. One was very good at holding the ball up and bringing players into the game whereas the other was an out and out finisher.
Kelman has 6 goals in 1,310 minutes or 218 minutes a goal. However, all those goals have come in his last 760 minutes of football meaning that, since an initial barren start, he has scored every couple of hours of playing which will be up with most of the forwards at this level for that period of time on the pitch.
Of course, the comparison to Carl would be Miles who has scored just the once in 1,940 minutes and has one assist too.
Both are learning their game at this level and given that the hardest commodity in football to find is a forward, it would be wrong to write off either at this stage. The remaining 8 matches will be a great opportunity for them to develop a relationship albeit NJ may feel inclined to start Dykes more often than not.
One final point regarding Kelman. Following a season in League One when Godden scored 14 goals in 26 matches, he then followed that up with 6 goals in 23 matches in the Championship. The year after it was 12 goals in 24 games so the improvement was there for all to see. Alongside him was someone called Gyokeres who found the net 17 times in 44 games in his first season in the Championship and then scored 21 in 46 games. He was then sold for £20m.
Someone like Kelman (6 goals from 26 shots) who can convert chances should be given more opportunities than most to prove himself, albeit that his all round game needs to improve. Not less.
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If he was able to do that he would be starting week in week out.DamoNorthStand said:Crispywood said:
Championship level goal scoring ability, L1 all round play. Personally think it’s too early to call with him next season is where we really if he has what it takesZulu said:I dont rate him - L1 level at best.
Thats the bit I disagree with the most. His hold up play, ability to lay the ball off, and control is absolutely Championship class.1 -
His finishing is 100% championship level. He's still quite young and has the attributes to become a striker in the Godden mode, with better movement, strength and aerial ability. "If" he puts in the work in pre-season "and" we coach and invest in better attacking players then he could definitely do well next season.
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I’m pretty happy with our striking options if we keep Dykes. I think Kelman, Leaburn and TC will all be better next season after their first proper season at this level, will have all learnt a lot and will be better for it.Next season if Kelman and Dykes can get double figures each, Leaburn and TC 5+ each then we’re in a great spot with Mbick another option too1
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"Hello. I need to use my idiot machine to tell me if a player I've allegedly watched all season is any good. People trust me to operate machinery and negotiate pedestrian crossings"Zulu said:
AI tells me ...'During the 2025–26 season with Charlton Athletic, he has made 30 total appearances and scored 6 goals. ' (and weren't 2 of those pens?)RonnieMoore said:
So you dont rate a goalscorer … ???????Zulu said:I dont rate him - L1 level at best.
Is that what you call a goalscorer?3 -
Completely disagree, when he gets the ball he’s technically better than most of our other players, I’d say from a technique standpoint and with the ball at his feet he’s one of the only championship standard players we have. Can he be a bit more like dykes and be an awkward bastard for defenders? Yes. But if we were playing better football we’d see what a great striker he is to have.NabySarr said:
Probably nearer to Scottish championship than our championshipDamoNorthStand said:Crispywood said:
Championship level goal scoring ability, L1 all round play. Personally think it’s too early to call with him next season is where we really if he has what it takesZulu said:I dont rate him - L1 level at best.
Thats the bit I disagree with the most. His hold up play, ability to lay the ball off, and control is absolutely Championship class.
His all round game is really poor, his finishing is very good. We’ve obviously bought him thinking we can improve the all round game, and then we will have a really good player that’s worth more than the fee we paid for him2 -
In how many minutes on the pitch though? Some of those 30 appearances are as a sub. And his stats per minute on the pitch are better than Kone (5m) and Idah (Swansea, 6+ m). I don’t know exactly what you expected for 3.5m but if you expected a 20 goal a season striker then even 20m wouldn’t have guaranteed you that. Factor in he didn’t have a proper pre season, factor in the fact he was out a while with an injury and I’m happy with what he’s done so far. There is more to come. A full pre season and with the experience of this season behind him I’m sure he’ll do very well next season.Zulu said:
AI tells me ...'During the 2025–26 season with Charlton Athletic, he has made 30 total appearances and scored 6 goals. ' (and weren't 2 of those pens?)RonnieMoore said:
So you dont rate a goalscorer … ???????Zulu said:I dont rate him - L1 level at best.
Is that what you call a goalscorer?5 -
Statistically he loses the ball more than most strikers in the league. He’s not good at dribbling, he doesn’t create anything. He can run and he can finish. His first touch is good but there’s a lot more than that you can do with the ball at his feet that he is poor atDiebythesword said:
Completely disagree, when he gets the ball he’s technically better than most of our other players, I’d say from a technique standpoint and with the ball at his feet he’s one of the only championship standard players we have. Can he be a bit more like dykes and be an awkward bastard for defenders? Yes. But if we were playing better football we’d see what a great striker he is to have.NabySarr said:
Probably nearer to Scottish championship than our championshipDamoNorthStand said:Crispywood said:
Championship level goal scoring ability, L1 all round play. Personally think it’s too early to call with him next season is where we really if he has what it takesZulu said:I dont rate him - L1 level at best.
Thats the bit I disagree with the most. His hold up play, ability to lay the ball off, and control is absolutely Championship class.
His all round game is really poor, his finishing is very good. We’ve obviously bought him thinking we can improve the all round game, and then we will have a really good player that’s worth more than the fee we paid for him2 -
Good job Charlton Life wasn’t around when Killer Hales was playing.NabySarr said:
Statistically he loses the ball more than most strikers in the league. He’s not good at dribbling, he doesn’t create anything. He can run and he can finish. His first touch is good but there’s a lot more than that you can do with the ball at his feet that he is poor atDiebythesword said:
Completely disagree, when he gets the ball he’s technically better than most of our other players, I’d say from a technique standpoint and with the ball at his feet he’s one of the only championship standard players we have. Can he be a bit more like dykes and be an awkward bastard for defenders? Yes. But if we were playing better football we’d see what a great striker he is to have.NabySarr said:
Probably nearer to Scottish championship than our championshipDamoNorthStand said:Crispywood said:
Championship level goal scoring ability, L1 all round play. Personally think it’s too early to call with him next season is where we really if he has what it takesZulu said:I dont rate him - L1 level at best.
Thats the bit I disagree with the most. His hold up play, ability to lay the ball off, and control is absolutely Championship class.
His all round game is really poor, his finishing is very good. We’ve obviously bought him thinking we can improve the all round game, and then we will have a really good player that’s worth more than the fee we paid for him2 -
But why has been sub so often? If NJ was happy with him, he'd have started a lot more matches than he has.LargeAddick said:
In how many minutes on the pitch though? Some of those 30 appearances are as a sub. And his stats per minute on the pitch are better than Kone (5m) and Idah (Swansea, 6+ m). I don’t know exactly what you expected for 3.5m but if you expected a 20 goal a season striker then even 20m wouldn’t have guaranteed you that. Factor in he didn’t have a proper pre season, factor in the fact he was out a while with an injury and I’m happy with what he’s done so far. There is more to come. A full pre season and with the experience of this season behind him I’m sure he’ll do very well next season.Zulu said:
AI tells me ...'During the 2025–26 season with Charlton Athletic, he has made 30 total appearances and scored 6 goals. ' (and weren't 2 of those pens?)RonnieMoore said:
So you dont rate a goalscorer … ???????Zulu said:I dont rate him - L1 level at best.
Is that what you call a goalscorer?
Kelman has been ok, but as our biggest money signing last summer, it's perfectly reasonable to have expected more. 4 open play goals is pretty underwhelming, when he offers less than Dykes and Miles as an attacking focal point.1 -
Kelman himself addressed this, he often starts on the bench because TC brings something different in his gameplay. Now you might question why that might be any different next season but if we’re playing on the floor more TC’s ability to stretch defences becomes a bit less important and might not require a big man next to him. TC and Godden worked in L1, I think if we got everything else right a similar pairing could work in the Championship too. It would require real attacking involvement from the wingbacks and midfield thoughkillerandflash said:
But why has been sub so often? If NJ was happy with him, he'd have started a lot more matches than he has.LargeAddick said:
In how many minutes on the pitch though? Some of those 30 appearances are as a sub. And his stats per minute on the pitch are better than Kone (5m) and Idah (Swansea, 6+ m). I don’t know exactly what you expected for 3.5m but if you expected a 20 goal a season striker then even 20m wouldn’t have guaranteed you that. Factor in he didn’t have a proper pre season, factor in the fact he was out a while with an injury and I’m happy with what he’s done so far. There is more to come. A full pre season and with the experience of this season behind him I’m sure he’ll do very well next season.Zulu said:
AI tells me ...'During the 2025–26 season with Charlton Athletic, he has made 30 total appearances and scored 6 goals. ' (and weren't 2 of those pens?)RonnieMoore said:
So you dont rate a goalscorer … ???????Zulu said:I dont rate him - L1 level at best.
Is that what you call a goalscorer?
Kelman has been ok, but as our biggest money signing last summer, it's perfectly reasonable to have expected more. 4 open play goals is pretty underwhelming, when he offers less than Dykes and Miles as an attacking focal point.0
