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Micah Mbick - called up to the England U20s (p7)
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There are some legs to the Mbick rumour.0
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Dan Kanu is the interesting one for me with the injury problems, he's probably the better swap for Kelman then Leaburn or Tanto, more willing to put in the running that Charlie does2
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Brighton would see him as someone for the future. To an extent so do we, hence us loaning him to a L2 side.
If NJ doesn't think he's ready for the Championship yet, then an option would be to cash him on him in January, to create funds to bring in more "Championship ready" players. But that would require a big fee, and us being able to spend it wisely, as the players we want might not want to join us.0 -
5 mill plus add ons for Mbick take it and run.. he not even proved himself at league one level yet ridiculous moneyChunes said:Accepting £5 million would be such a poor decision. Exciting youngsters go for a lot more than that in this league. All he needs is one good season in the Champ and he'd be going for big money.6 -
If that is the sort of money genuinely being discussed then take it ! its a shame but we could strengthen the squad alot with that money with players that are championship ready. It wasnt that long ago people were saying we might get £10m for Leaburn, what would we get for him now ?1
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I don't agree with the comments 'Leaburn hasn't made the step up.'
I think he is and will make the step up. Taking in to consideration the seriousness of the injury length of time out, you don't just come back the same player. It takes time and a lot longer than people realise to get back to your full potential after such an injury. I think next season in a stronger team with slightly better players around him we should see a young player improving and contributing more.
As for Mbick : The club boasts that it has one of the best academies outside Cat1 and say better than many of those.
If so you should believe in your own judgement that an 18 year old now showing signs of promise in L2 will step up. Otherwise what are we doing giving 4year contracts and banging the drum how good our academy is.
The owners say we are financially stable and there is a plan throughout the club starting with the academy, then prove it show the patience required. The rewards will be greater than they have been where previously when future England internationals & premiership players have been sold off on the cheap.
Everyone agrees that we have been owned by dickheads with short term take the bucks and run and its proven wrong.
If the club and its now owners want bigger fees for senior players that heads are turned when premiership clubs come knocking then we need to show we are not pushovers as before.
People talk on here like we have signed an agreement to be BHA feeder club.
IMO we should tell Brighton to fuck off on this one.19 -
So, just so I've got this right, some of you have set the price and negotiated the sell-on clause in your heads already have you?
Those Football Manager games from back in the day have a lot to answer for. But you crack on.3 -
We seem to have a lot of posters that have very close relationships with the Brighton recruitment team.8
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£5 million would be a huge amount of money in League One, but it wouldn't even buy us a decent striker in this league. I can't see the benefit to taking that kind of money for him now. If he doesn't turn out to be worth 5 mil, we haven't really lost that much. But if he does turn out to be the real deal, we've lost a lot.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Agree with this and yes we're under no pressure to sell but it's a tricky decision for the owners. Yes he could have a great season for us and be worth 15-20m by summer 2027, but equally he could struggle and then we're not even going to get the 5m.Chunes said:Accepting £5 million would be such a poor decision. Exciting youngsters go for a lot more than that in this league. All he needs is one good season in the Champ and he'd be going for big money.
Look at Leaburn, a year or so ago people would've said no way should we sell him if we got an offer of 5m+. Now he hasn't made the step up i don't think buyers are queuing up.
The owners might well look at it as 5m plus a sell on fee for a striker who's never scored above league two level is worth it if it means we can strengthen the defence and buy competition for TC. Ultimately though i think they'd let Jones make the final call on what to do.10 -
5m is a lot to lose!Chunes said:
£5 million would be a huge amount of money in League One, but it wouldn't even buy us a decent striker in this league. I can't see the benefit to taking that kind of money for him now. If he doesn't turn out to be worth 5 mil, we haven't really lost that much. But if he does turn out to be the real deal, we've lost a lot.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Agree with this and yes we're under no pressure to sell but it's a tricky decision for the owners. Yes he could have a great season for us and be worth 15-20m by summer 2027, but equally he could struggle and then we're not even going to get the 5m.Chunes said:Accepting £5 million would be such a poor decision. Exciting youngsters go for a lot more than that in this league. All he needs is one good season in the Champ and he'd be going for big money.
Look at Leaburn, a year or so ago people would've said no way should we sell him if we got an offer of 5m+. Now he hasn't made the step up i don't think buyers are queuing up.
The owners might well look at it as 5m plus a sell on fee for a striker who's never scored above league two level is worth it if it means we can strengthen the defence and buy competition for TC. Ultimately though i think they'd let Jones make the final call on what to do.
I can’t believe they’d be paying us that up front
but I can’t see how on earth we are in a position to be refusing a bid of that level
the guy is very raw and clearly not ready for championship to help us
a comparison is Nathan Lowe who Stoke loaned to walsalll last season, he smashed it for them, was recalled by Stoke but couldn’t do anything and is now with Stockport and struggling to make an impact there.Mbick could be superb but 5m is a huge amount of money for us given the level he’s currently at (which makes me find it almost incomprehensible that it’s true)1 -
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We'd be crazy to sell given what he's doing at 18. L2 to the championship is a big jump but not one he can't make. Coventry's top scorer has come from L2 a few years ago and he wasn't doing anything like what Mbick is doing at the same age, nowhere close.2
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Leaburn has been back playing for 14 months that is more than enough time to get back to your best. 1 goal in 17 and multiple poor performances suggest he hasn’t made the step up either.StrikerFirmani said:I don't agree with the comments 'Leaburn hasn't made the step up.'
I think he is and will make the step up. Taking in to consideration the seriousness of the injury length of time out, you don't just come back the same player. It takes time and a lot longer than people realise to get back to your full potential after such an injury. I think next season in a stronger team with slightly better players around him we should see a young player improving and contributing more.
As for Mbick : The club boasts that it has one of the best academies outside Cat1 and say better than many of those.
If so you should believe in your own judgement that an 18 year old now showing signs of promise in L2 will step up. Otherwise what are we doing giving 4year contracts and banging the drum how good our academy is.
The owners say we are financially stable and there is a plan throughout the club starting with the academy, then prove it show the patience required. The rewards will be greater than they have been where previously when future England internationals & premiership players have been sold off on the cheap.
Everyone agrees that we have been owned by dickheads with short term take the bucks and run and its proven wrong.
If the club and its now owners want bigger fees for senior players that heads are turned when premiership clubs come knocking then we need to show we are not pushovers as before.
People talk on here like we have signed an agreement to be BHA feeder club.
IMO we should tell Brighton to fuck off on this one.2 -
Agree 100%arny23394 said:
Leaburn has been back playing for 14 months that is more than enough time to get back to your best. 1 goal in 17 and multiple poor performances suggest he hasn’t made the step up either.StrikerFirmani said:I don't agree with the comments 'Leaburn hasn't made the step up.'
I think he is and will make the step up. Taking in to consideration the seriousness of the injury length of time out, you don't just come back the same player. It takes time and a lot longer than people realise to get back to your full potential after such an injury. I think next season in a stronger team with slightly better players around him we should see a young player improving and contributing more.
As for Mbick : The club boasts that it has one of the best academies outside Cat1 and say better than many of those.
If so you should believe in your own judgement that an 18 year old now showing signs of promise in L2 will step up. Otherwise what are we doing giving 4year contracts and banging the drum how good our academy is.
The owners say we are financially stable and there is a plan throughout the club starting with the academy, then prove it show the patience required. The rewards will be greater than they have been where previously when future England internationals & premiership players have been sold off on the cheap.
Everyone agrees that we have been owned by dickheads with short term take the bucks and run and its proven wrong.
If the club and its now owners want bigger fees for senior players that heads are turned when premiership clubs come knocking then we need to show we are not pushovers as before.
People talk on here like we have signed an agreement to be BHA feeder club.
IMO we should tell Brighton to fuck off on this one.1 -
Don’t sell him.
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None of our strikers has done any better regarding 1 goal scenario, that is probably more a problem with the way we are playing and not creating clear cut chances for the strikers. There has been more to it and the timing of the 14 months you state. He is adjusting and finding his feet at Championship level whilst also trying to get that sharpness he lost due to the time out.arny23394 said:
Leaburn has been back playing for 14 months that is more than enough time to get back to your best. 1 goal in 17 and multiple poor performances suggest he hasn’t made the step up either.StrikerFirmani said:I don't agree with the comments 'Leaburn hasn't made the step up.'
I think he is and will make the step up. Taking in to consideration the seriousness of the injury length of time out, you don't just come back the same player. It takes time and a lot longer than people realise to get back to your full potential after such an injury. I think next season in a stronger team with slightly better players around him we should see a young player improving and contributing more.
As for Mbick : The club boasts that it has one of the best academies outside Cat1 and say better than many of those.
If so you should believe in your own judgement that an 18 year old now showing signs of promise in L2 will step up. Otherwise what are we doing giving 4year contracts and banging the drum how good our academy is.
The owners say we are financially stable and there is a plan throughout the club starting with the academy, then prove it show the patience required. The rewards will be greater than they have been where previously when future England internationals & premiership players have been sold off on the cheap.
Everyone agrees that we have been owned by dickheads with short term take the bucks and run and its proven wrong.
If the club and its now owners want bigger fees for senior players that heads are turned when premiership clubs come knocking then we need to show we are not pushovers as before.
People talk on here like we have signed an agreement to be BHA feeder club.
IMO we should tell Brighton to fuck off on this one.
If he is not showing more next season then fair enough it makes you right & me wrong but I wouldn't be writing him off yet.4 -
Unfortunately It'll pan out how Brighton wish. they have the buying power and if they offer the fee we are happy with he'll go.
Plus side is I'm more confident the fee would be reinvested in the playing staff should that be the case.
We've also seen very little from him and I remember the Burstow outcry, but for us he is a very unknown entirety4 -
It’s only ridiculous money if you still live in the 2000s or have the mentality that we’re a L1 club.RonnieMoore said:
5 mill plus add ons for Mbick take it and run.. he not even proved himself at league one level yet ridiculous moneyChunes said:Accepting £5 million would be such a poor decision. Exciting youngsters go for a lot more than that in this league. All he needs is one good season in the Champ and he'd be going for big money.10 -
Is there a single Academy player that Ronnie actually likes?Scoham said:
It’s only ridiculous money if you still live in the 2000s or have the mentality that we’re a L1 club.RonnieMoore said:
5 mill plus add ons for Mbick take it and run.. he not even proved himself at league one level yet ridiculous moneyChunes said:Accepting £5 million would be such a poor decision. Exciting youngsters go for a lot more than that in this league. All he needs is one good season in the Champ and he'd be going for big money.5 -
I don’t see how £5m is a good deal, even if it was fully up front, what would that buy us if it was 100% reinvested in the said? We spent more than double that in the summer if the rumoured fees are about right and we haven’t got top Championship players with that spending.9
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Why are “we” always rationalising away our player’s value??? Some of you are firmly rooted in the 2005 era. Football and the economy of football has moved on. If a Premier League club want a strong, young, British prospect that’s on a decent length contract, like Mbick or Leaburn, there’s no discussion until they’re prepared to offer £10-12m minimum. £5m won’t get you anywhere today. Our ownership are supposed to be worth billions! Why would £5m move them?
Otherwise, roll the dice with him in your shirt and see what happens.10 -
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No idea if Mbick will make it or not but I hope he gets a chance in our team before he is sold. A tall, young, English striker who make it in the Championship is a £15-20M player after one season.
I still think Leaburn will come good, again tall, English and young. He's had growing pains and injuries and is only just looking like he fits his huge frame now. By the end of this season I expect him to be bullying defenders in the Championship. He has the skill too. What he isn't is mobile enough to play up top on his own which is often the role he plays for us. He will go on to be sold for over £10M in his career, I am certain of it. Some fans seem desperate to write him off.6 -
I’m not as certain about the last part, but I am certain he will at least become a very good player at this level if he can continue to stay fit. He’s only 22 and has had good games this season as well as bad ones. He’s probably 6-8 years away from his prime so plenty of development time left to improve loadsAthletico Charlton said:No idea if Mbick will make it or not but I hope he gets a chance in our team before he is sold. A tall, young, English striker who make it in the Championship is a £15-20M player after one season.
I still think Leaburn will come good, again tall, English and young. He's had growing pains and injuries and is only just looking like he fits his huge frame now. By the end of this season I expect him to be bullying defenders in the Championship. He has the skill too. What he isn't is mobile enough to play up top on his own which is often the role he plays for us. He will go on to be sold for over £10M in his career, I am certain of it. Some fans seem desperate to write him off.3 -
Get him back, let him score a hat-trick against Chelsea in the FA Cup and then stick him on Ebay!!12
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Think a sell on clause may what get us to bite. If he absolutely flops in the future then the initial fee is going to look brilliant and looks like a good deal. Alternatively if he turns out to be a massive star Brighton will sell him to Chelsea for 50M and we bag an extra 5-10M.0
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Cup-tied, isn't he?ForeverAddickted said:Get him back, let him score a hat-trick against Chelsea in the FA Cup and then stick him on Ebay!!2 -
Am so glad you focused on that part of my post, rather than the bit about sticking a kid on Ebay!!...aliwibble said:
Cup-tied, isn't he?ForeverAddickted said:Get him back, let him score a hat-trick against Chelsea in the FA Cup and then stick him on Ebay!!
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Are you sure it’s not £5m up front and the £15m balance over time?0
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I like Brighton, but by dint of being in the Premiership they have got, and have spent, and have profited, shed loads of money.
Of course any offer they make to Micha would be life changing for him (even if it would be an unwise move in terms of his football), but any fee to us should be able to cover a season of losses, plus fund the academy for three or four years, and that is before a 30% share of any sell on profit.
I feel ashamed at the distasteful message I have just written, because discussion about Micha should only be about a class young footballer setting out, not a commodity.1 -
LoOkOuT said:Why are “we” always rationalising away our player’s value??? Some of you are firmly rooted in the 2005 era. Football and the economy of football has moved on. If a Premier League club want a strong, young, British prospect that’s on a decent length contract, like Mbick or Leaburn, there’s no discussion until they’re prepared to offer £10-12m minimum. £5m won’t get you anywhere today. Our ownership are supposed to be worth billions! Why would £5m move them?
Otherwise, roll the dice with him in your shirt and see what happens.I don’t think anyone’s trying to talk down values, it’s just that we’ve been stung often enough to know how these things actually play out. Premier League clubs can pay £10–12m without blinking, but they also love chucking in a £4m and a bag of crisps offer over the "Supa Dupa Deals Phone" first just to see if we’re still the mugs we used to be.
If it’s a PL side, £10m+ is the bare minimum for me. We’ve learned that lesson the hard way. And I wouldn’t entertain anything from a Championship rival unless they can genuinely offer something we can’t.
But really, I’d much prefer we stopped behaving like a clearance outlet for young talent and actually built a side with them. Keep the pathway, keep pushing the academy, get CAT-1 sorted and let these lads establish themselves here before we even think about cashing in.
That’s how you find the real gems — not by shoving them out the door the second someone waves a cheque.
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