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After the Millwall game - club reply to CAST p34, further CAST response p45

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  • JustFloydRoad
    JustFloydRoad Posts: 1,999
    Coventry 


  • Baldybonce
    Baldybonce Posts: 9,715
    Coventry have yawning Policemen?
  • TootingRedArmy
    TootingRedArmy Posts: 566
    edited November 2025
    Yawning or even sleeping policeman in the ground is better than none or 300 allegedly outside in their vans or spread across SE London. Time for club to bite the bullet and pay for police to "police" Millwall fans in JS
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,580
    edited November 2025
    TootingRedArmy said:
    Yawning or even sleeping policeman in the ground is better than none or 300 allegedly outside in their vans or spread across SE London. Time for club to bite the bullet and pay for police to "police" Millwall fans in JS
    What you are saying is what almost everybody agrees with, me included.

    Give it a rest and wait until next season's fixtures are announced and bump the thread.

    Please.
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 8,291
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    TootingRedArmy said:
    Yawning or even sleeping policeman in the ground is better than none or 300 allegedly outside in their vans or spread across SE London. Time for club to bite the bullet and pay for police to "police" Millwall fans in JS
    What you are saying is what almost everybody agrees with, me included.

    Give it a rest and wait until next season's fixtures are announced and bump the thread.

    Please.
    why give it a rest? we gave it a rest after this shit happened 5 yrs ago - u crack on tooting 
  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,855
     Info for @PragueAddick, Len Duvall has been made a member of The House Of Lords.
    https://greenwichwire.co.uk/2025/12/11/len-duvall-brenda-dacres-peerages-house-lords/
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,304
    clive said:
     Info for @PragueAddick, Len Duvall has been made a member of The House Of Lords.
    https://greenwichwire.co.uk/2025/12/11/len-duvall-brenda-dacres-peerages-house-lords/
    Great. He wont have to doff his cap to Baroness Brady any more😀 

    But they owe me some feedback, I will nudge his assistant.
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 29,204
    Will be interesting to see what happens after the Chelsea cup game.
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 8,291
    was chatting to a palace fan who was outraged about how they were sent round the houses at the expense of millwall fans at their last game - said it was coz of the damage they caused when held back last time - he was equally pissed off they were basically rewarded for it - this has to be stopped - keep going prague 
  • MillwallFan
    MillwallFan Posts: 3,446
    DOUCHER said:
    was chatting to a palace fan who was outraged about how they were sent round the houses at the expense of millwall fans at their last game - said it was coz of the damage they caused when held back last time - he was equally pissed off they were basically rewarded for it - this has to be stopped - keep going prague 
    We wasn’t held back at palace the time before last (which would have been the FA Cup game). We left at the same time as the palace fans, just made to take a certain route when leaving the ground. This has been the case the last few times we’ve played there. I can’t remember the last time we were held back at palace. 

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  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 8,291
    MillwallFan said:
    DOUCHER said:
    was chatting to a palace fan who was outraged about how they were sent round the houses at the expense of millwall fans at their last game - said it was coz of the damage they caused when held back last time - he was equally pissed off they were basically rewarded for it - this has to be stopped - keep going prague 
    We wasn’t held back at palace the time before last (which would have been the FA Cup game). We left at the same time as the palace fans, just made to take a certain route when leaving the ground. This has been the case the last few times we’ve played there. I can’t remember the last time we were held back at palace. 
    whatever - its wrong - u know that, we all know that 
  • MillwallFan
    MillwallFan Posts: 3,446
    DOUCHER said:
    MillwallFan said:
    DOUCHER said:
    was chatting to a palace fan who was outraged about how they were sent round the houses at the expense of millwall fans at their last game - said it was coz of the damage they caused when held back last time - he was equally pissed off they were basically rewarded for it - this has to be stopped - keep going prague 
    We wasn’t held back at palace the time before last (which would have been the FA Cup game). We left at the same time as the palace fans, just made to take a certain route when leaving the ground. This has been the case the last few times we’ve played there. I can’t remember the last time we were held back at palace. 
    whatever - its wrong - u know that, we all know that 
    Not debating that. Just pointing out that the palace fan you was talking to was incorrect with what he said. 
  • TootingRedArmy
    TootingRedArmy Posts: 566
    Interesting to see a new food stand on the otherside of Gate 21, opening for Oxford game, I wonder if this will be serving next time Millwall come, back to two stewards..
  • CaptainRobbo
    CaptainRobbo Posts: 922
    TootingRedArmy said:
    Interesting to see a new food stand on the otherside of Gate 21, opening for Oxford game, I wonder if this will be serving next time Millwall come, back to two stewards..
    Away fans get served salt beef beigels, while the home fans get luke warm pie with 5 chips 😲
  • TootingRedArmy
    TootingRedArmy Posts: 566

    Since Gate 21 “incident” the club have gone into overdrive with away fan catering & drinks. Most odd that the unlocked gate accessed in this away section has no stewards?
    by time Millwall next come they will no doubt have Stella A on tap for the Bushwackers. 
  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,906
    Watching the senior officers from West Midlands police facing select committee MPs at parliament.
    So unconvincing regarding their reasons for banning Macaabi Tel Aviv fans at Aston Villa. Senior police countrywide taking the easy option wherever they can. Spineless.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 34,560
    Haven't got tickets for the away game later this month so cant be there to have my usual "banter" with the local plod after the match.

    I do hope all those that are going will make sure they let plod know that they expect to be let out at the final whistle & not kept behind for 30 mins, otherwise it could be deemed discriminatory. 

    If only we were of the Jewish faith then Kier Starmer could get involved and have a word with Khan & the Met telling them that they were being anti-semitic 🙄

  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,580
    edited January 6
    Khan and Starmer in the Dockers Stand.

    That'd quickly sort the problems out in the UK B)
  • DA9
    DA9 Posts: 11,118
    TootingRedArmy said:
    Interesting to see a new food stand on the otherside of Gate 21, opening for Oxford game, I wonder if this will be serving next time Millwall come, back to two stewards..
    That’s the same bagel company that do or did the fan zone (not been in for a while) 
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,304
    Len Duvall is still on the case. I got a mail from his assistant just before Xmas. It seemed that Mark Rowley had not at that point got back to him as he had promised. Poor show. I get that most of the other topics he had to get back on are more weighty, but he’s got staff to make sure that if he promises to get back on something he does. 

    Anyway it would be very useful if everyone could report on how Chelsea is policed,  see what are the differences. Then I’ll report it to him and mention the upcoming Toolbox game, our expectation that we will be held back, and the suggestion that South Bermondsey could be designated away only for a while after the final whistle.

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  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,580
    PragueAddick said:
    Len Duvall is still on the case. I got a mail from his assistant just before Xmas. It seemed that Mark Rowley had not at that point got back to him as he had promised. Poor show. I get that most of the other topics he had to get back on are more weighty, but he’s got staff to make sure that if he promises to get back on something he does. 

    Anyway it would be very useful if everyone could report on how Chelsea is policed,  see what are the differences. Then I’ll report it to him and mention the upcoming Toolbox game, our expectation that we will be held back, and the suggestion that South Bermondsey could be designated away only for a while after the final whistle.
    I'll have a guess it will be business as usual, up Floyd Road without problems.
  • CAFCTrev
    CAFCTrev Posts: 6,100
    edited January 6
    PragueAddick said:
    Anyway it would be very useful if everyone could report on how Chelsea is policed,  see what are the differences.
    Do Chelsea even have the kind of away following these days that would cause trouble? The club’s been heavily gentrified since the 90s, and it’s hard to imagine that fans who can afford expensive season tickets and rack up the loyalty points to get an away ticket are the same sort of people who used to be associated with that behaviour.
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 16,036
    apparently this is a recent change to the law on this

    In the UK, it is generally no longer legally possible to routinely "hold back" entire groups of away fans inside the stadium after a match has finished due to human rights legislation. 
    Historically, clubs and police used post-match detention (known as "kettling" or "holding back") as a crowd control measure, but this practice has been largely discontinued because it can infringe on civil liberties and has been challenged under human rights law. 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 13,815
    Elthamaddick said:
    apparently this is a recent change to the law on this

    In the UK, it is generally no longer legally possible to routinely "hold back" entire groups of away fans inside the stadium after a match has finished due to human rights legislation. 
    Historically, clubs and police used post-match detention (known as "kettling" or "holding back") as a crowd control measure, but this practice has been largely discontinued because it can infringe on civil liberties and has been challenged under human rights law. 
    If true it's interesting that hasn't been brought up before, do you have a link?
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 29,204
    Elthamaddick said:
    apparently this is a recent change to the law on this

    In the UK, it is generally no longer legally possible to routinely "hold back" entire groups of away fans inside the stadium after a match has finished due to human rights legislation. 
    Historically, clubs and police used post-match detention (known as "kettling" or "holding back") as a crowd control measure, but this practice has been largely discontinued because it can infringe on civil liberties and has been challenged under human rights law. 
    We’ll see what happens at the rusty toolbox at the end of the month.
  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,388
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Khan and Starmer in the Dockers Stand.

    That'd quickly sort the problems out in the UK B)
    Steady - you will get Valley Gary on your case... 
  • doronron
    doronron Posts: 827
    Elthamaddick said:
    apparently this is a recent change to the law on this

    In the UK, it is generally no longer legally possible to routinely "hold back" entire groups of away fans inside the stadium after a match has finished due to human rights legislation. 
    Historically, clubs and police used post-match detention (known as "kettling" or "holding back") as a crowd control measure, but this practice has been largely discontinued because it can infringe on civil liberties and has been challenged under human rights law. 
    The police will kettle us in as I think they do to most clubs fans as they see it is the sensible thing to do. Police will say that doing this has worked for quite a while now ,you dont hear problems there like you used to hear .
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 16,036
    fenaddick said:
    Elthamaddick said:
    apparently this is a recent change to the law on this

    In the UK, it is generally no longer legally possible to routinely "hold back" entire groups of away fans inside the stadium after a match has finished due to human rights legislation. 
    Historically, clubs and police used post-match detention (known as "kettling" or "holding back") as a crowd control measure, but this practice has been largely discontinued because it can infringe on civil liberties and has been challenged under human rights law. 
    If true it's interesting that hasn't been brought up before, do you have a link?
    was chatting to a mate who's a Watford fan and was adament this was a recent change - I googled it and got the above
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 8,291
    Elthamaddick said:
    apparently this is a recent change to the law on this

    In the UK, it is generally no longer legally possible to routinely "hold back" entire groups of away fans inside the stadium after a match has finished due to human rights legislation. 
    Historically, clubs and police used post-match detention (known as "kettling" or "holding back") as a crowd control measure, but this practice has been largely discontinued because it can infringe on civil liberties and has been challenged under human rights law. 
    Right - if we get held back at the banana box, rowley has to remove the Millwall fan in the police who’s making these decisions - plain and simple 

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