Assessing Our Recruitment

Crispywood · November 27

Whilst I agree for most parts that 3M is nothing in today’s market at this level you look at the 15 top goal scorers in the league Vitponik free, Mcburnie free, Geldhardt loan Burrell 1M, Thomas 1.5-2M, Moore 2M, it shows you can get good forwards for good value, just because our players haven’t cost 7-9M like some other players it shouldn’t be an excuse if they underperform

Chris_from_Sidcup · November 27

CafcSteve said:

The most worrying thing for myself about us only looking to recruit two players in January is our ability to sign the right two players.
Apter, Hernandez, JRC, Kelman, Knibbs and Olaofe haven’t lived up to expectations so far.

Bell, Bree, Carey and Kaminski have done so.
You could make a case either way for Burke.
We need to ensure that both players we try to sign in January can hit the ground running immediately.

4 of those have barely had a chance, and another (Kelman) was showing signs of improvement then immediately got injured.

Hernandez is the only real dud out of that lot but he was out of contract and signed as emergency cover, and i'm not even sure he's a wing back so it's not like we were expecting the next Roberto Carlos.

killerandflash · November 27

Crispywood said:

Whilst I agree for most parts that 3M is nothing in today’s market at this level you look at the 15 top goal scorers in the league Vitponik free, Mcburnie free, Geldhardt loan Burrell 1M, Thomas 1.5-2M, Moore 2M, it shows you can get good forwards for good value, just because our players haven’t cost 7-9M like some other players it shouldn’t be an excuse if they underperform

The wages for those players would in the main be much more than we could afford though.

The Red Robin · November 27

CafcSteve said:

The most worrying thing for myself about us only looking to recruit two players in January is our ability to sign the right two players.
Apter, Hernandez, JRC, Kelman, Knibbs and Olaofe haven’t lived up to expectations so far.

Bell, Bree, Carey and Kaminski have done so.
You could make a case either way for Burke.
We need to ensure that both players we try to sign in January can hit the ground running immediately.

I don’t think Kelman, Tanto or Knibbs have been given a fair crack really.

fenaddick · November 27

The Red Robin said:

CafcSteve said:

The most worrying thing for myself about us only looking to recruit two players in January is our ability to sign the right two players.
Apter, Hernandez, JRC, Kelman, Knibbs and Olaofe haven’t lived up to expectations so far.

Bell, Bree, Carey and Kaminski have done so.
You could make a case either way for Burke.
We need to ensure that both players we try to sign in January can hit the ground running immediately.

I don’t think Kelman, Tanto or Knibbs have been given a fair crack really.

But you have to question why Tanto and Knibbs in particular haven't had their shot. Knibbs looks shattered after 5 minutes, is he actually match fit? And what are they doing in training? We know that NJ takes notice of training performances from how he talks about young players like Mbick, if you impress him in training you get a go.

Mendonca In Asdas · November 27

Spotted Jeff Vetere (guy who used to do a fair bit of recruiting for us overseas when Curbs was in charge).

I wonder if he’d be interested in doing the role again / or have recommendations of someone who could do an equivalent job, if he’s packed it in and not interested in doing that any more.

Picked up some real quality signings, back in the day.

shirty5 · November 27

Mendonca In Asdas said:

Spotted Jeff Vetere (guy who used to do a fair bit of recruiting for us overseas when Curbs was in charge).

I wonder if he’d be interested in doing the role again / or have recommendations of someone who could do an equivalent job, if he’s packed it in and not interested in doing that any more.

Picked up some real quality signings, back in the day.

Would give Phil Chapple some time to let him get his ideas across first. Fella has only been in the door for the past 6 months

Mendonca In Asdas · November 27

shirty5 said:

Mendonca In Asdas said:

Spotted Jeff Vetere (guy who used to do a fair bit of recruiting for us overseas when Curbs was in charge).

I wonder if he’d be interested in doing the role again / or have recommendations of someone who could do an equivalent job, if he’s packed it in and not interested in doing that any more.

Picked up some real quality signings, back in the day.

Would give Phil Chapple some time to let him get his ideas cross first. Fella has only been in the door for the past 6 months

Sorry, I didn’t make myself very clear.

I’d keep PC as well and have an international scout who could bring in some quality from around the globe, Scandi etc , but hopefully not at the prices we’re paying over here.

NabySarr · November 27

Mendonca In Asdas said:

Spotted Jeff Vetere (guy who used to do a fair bit of recruiting for us overseas when Curbs was in charge).

I wonder if he’d be interested in doing the role again / or have recommendations of someone who could do an equivalent job, if he’s packed it in and not interested in doing that any more.

Picked up some real quality signings, back in the day.

I think the longer we are in the championship we will see ourselves expand our recruitment outside of the UK. We will need to if we want to keep progressing

It is a risk though, and I think initially it’s got to be maybe 1 or 2 signings max per season. Looking at Norwich for example they’ve signed a lot of talented players from abroad but they are really struggling with the championship. It’s great if you can do it well but it’s not something you should ever rely fully on like Norwich have as it can really hurt you if you sign a lot and they all struggle to adapt

MrBurns · November 27

MarcusH26 said:

SouthLincsAddick said:

J BLOCK said:

Mentioned this on the Jones thread. At some point we’ll have to seriously look at some of our big money signings. Big question marks over a few of them.

Big money signings for us but peanuts for the Championship.

Absolutely. £3.5m for Kelman is big money for us when we've been shopping in the bargain bin for players for the last decade or so but I'd probably hazard a guess a good championship striker is more like £8-12m.

I was disappointed at the time we didn't use the money to buy Carlton Morris

MarcusH26 · November 27

MrBurns said:

MarcusH26 said:

SouthLincsAddick said:

J BLOCK said:

Mentioned this on the Jones thread. At some point we’ll have to seriously look at some of our big money signings. Big question marks over a few of them.

Big money signings for us but peanuts for the Championship.

Absolutely. £3.5m for Kelman is big money for us when we've been shopping in the bargain bin for players for the last decade or so but I'd probably hazard a guess a good championship striker is more like £8-12m.

I was disappointed at the time we didn't use the money to buy Carlton Morris

I think Derby unfortunately would have blown us out the water on wages but I agree that Morris was someone I thought would have been on our targets list

The Red Robin · November 30

Whatever Jones thinks of his new signings, he’s got to give some of them more than cameo appearances or the odd sporadic start.

DOUCHER · November 30

I think we are going to see just how serious the owners are about us this window - if we don't manage to halt this run and start losing to those in the relegation picture, we're gonna have to chuck some pretty big money at it - to get guaranteed performers in this division is going to cost. The strategy of proven championship quality but with dubious injury records plus top league 1 potential might need to be reviewed.

Crispywood · November 30

DOUCHER said:

I think we are going to see just how serious the owners are about us this window - if we don't manage to halt this run and start losing to those in the relegation picture, we're gonna have to chuck some pretty big money at it - to get guaranteed performers in this division is going to cost. The strategy of proven championship quality but with dubious injury records plus top league 1 potential might need to be reviewed.

Only issue I think the owners will have is when they have allowed Jones to spend big to this point it hasn’t worked out.

We don’t need to spend big as our fully fit XI have shown they can compete what we need is just a pair of wingbacks so we don’t become hopeless as soon as we lose bell Edwards etc

DDOUBLEE · November 30

Carey - Brilliant, best new signing of the lot
Kaminski - Average, does something brilliant and then something terrible
Olaofe - Average, doesn't seem to get anywhere near the game time of Golden Boy Tupac and the Nepo Baby Miles
Bell - Good, but severely injury prone as we were made aware of
Burke - See above
Apter - Good first month, DUD ever since
JRC - DUD
Kelman - Dud up until his last couple of games before his injury
Hernandez - DUD
Knibbs - Same as Olaofe but Docherty instead of the golden duo
Bree - Good at first, bang average ever since

Athletico Charlton · November 30

It's a massive shame we couldn't get Galbraith, the Swansea fans are talking of him being captain and moving to the Prem soon. Would have been a definite upgrade on Docherty.
Had we also kept Small we would have had a player who can cover right and left and with those two instead of Apter we would be significantly better for a similar amount of money. Of course I have no idea on wages and both possibly not achievable on that.

RonnieMoore · November 30

CafcSteve said:

The most worrying thing for myself about us only looking to recruit two players in January is our ability to sign the right two players.
Apter, Hernandez, JRC, Kelman, Knibbs and Olaofe haven’t lived up to expectations so far.

Bell, Bree, Carey and Kaminski have done so.
You could make a case either way for Burke.
We need to ensure that both players we try to sign in January can hit the ground running immediately.

Totally disagree think your seeing now what an important player Kelman is to us we miss him so much up top .. Knibbs and Olaofe have chipped in when git a chance ( they scored more then Leaburn and Campbell ) think Apter been unfairly treated and really should be replacing Campbell .. Because Coventry and Doc have been excellent it’s been hard for Costello to make his mark so unfair to judge ..

RonnieMoore · November 30

MrBurns said:

MarcusH26 said:

SouthLincsAddick said:

J BLOCK said:

Mentioned this on the Jones thread. At some point we’ll have to seriously look at some of our big money signings. Big question marks over a few of them.

Big money signings for us but peanuts for the Championship.

Absolutely. £3.5m for Kelman is big money for us when we've been shopping in the bargain bin for players for the last decade or so but I'd probably hazard a guess a good championship striker is more like £8-12m.

I was disappointed at the time we didn't use the money to buy Carlton Morris

Wages he was on premiership money at Luton

SELR_addicks · November 30

The recruitment will look worse on reflection when we move a number of them on in a year.

Crispywood · November 30

RonnieMoore said:

MrBurns said:

MarcusH26 said:

SouthLincsAddick said:

J BLOCK said:

Mentioned this on the Jones thread. At some point we’ll have to seriously look at some of our big money signings. Big question marks over a few of them.

Big money signings for us but peanuts for the Championship.

Absolutely. £3.5m for Kelman is big money for us when we've been shopping in the bargain bin for players for the last decade or so but I'd probably hazard a guess a good championship striker is more like £8-12m.

I was disappointed at the time we didn't use the money to buy Carlton Morris

Wages he was on premiership money at Luton

So was Kaminski and Amari’i bell. I’m guessing we just didn’t want to spend on a player we would get no profit from.

LargeAddick · December 1

MarcusH26 said:

SouthLincsAddick said:

J BLOCK said:

Mentioned this on the Jones thread. At some point we’ll have to seriously look at some of our big money signings. Big question marks over a few of them.

Big money signings for us but peanuts for the Championship.

Absolutely. £3.5m for Kelman is big money for us when we've been shopping in the bargain bin for players for the last decade or so but I'd probably hazard a guess a good championship striker is more like £8-12m.

Adam Idah cost 7m and he’s scored 1 goal for Swansea this season, ironically against us. So in that respect Kelman is a bargain.

Major · December 1

Good to see some perspective.

From the overall impression I got after we got promoted a Season ahead of the expected timeline, there was a pretty positive view on the recruitment to keep us in the Division.

And up until the crucial injuries and these past very difficult fixtures in a row, we surprised a lot of people.

Now it's time to get back to it.

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