++Charlie Kelman signs on a 4 year deal++

Addick Addict said:

Chunes said:

Addick Addict said:

Chunes said:

Team stats are not a marker for individual performance.

They can be. If one was to take that to its nth degree then, effectively, we would have to say that Haaland's performances haven't contributed to City's stats. No one else in the PL for City has scored more than a single goal and it is because of his 14 goals that they have the number of points they have. But then he has a supply of chances made by some world class creative players. Those are individual performances too. We've got a lot of ball carriers but not a lot of inventiveness. 

I repeat, 9 shots on target in total in the last 4 matches. That's a team stat and is directly, if not wholly, linked to the performance of individuals. Be that the creators or opportunity takers. 

Equally, the chances are that had Edwards been playing in the last couple of games, his individual performance would have, almost certainly meant that we would not have had that team stat of conceding 8 goals in 2 games - we let in 5 goals in the 7 matches he played in and picked up 4 clean sheets and 11 points in the process.

I'm sure we are not going to agree on this, which is fine, but Haaland's goals are individual outputs. That's why we can link them to points. "City wins more with Haaland" isn't the proof... "Haaland scores a high share of their goals" is.

If it was 0-0 yesterday and Kaminski dropped the ball into his net, how does that reflect on Kelman, Burke or whoever else isn't playing? But you could easily use that result in a team stat argument to say we lose without them. 

I don't think any recruitment department judges a player on the team’s win or loss record when he’s on the pitch because it tells you nothing about their contribution.

I'm not saying that each and every goal conceded is down to someone's direct contribution. That mistake by Kaminski is his contribution to the result. What I am saying that each and every player's contribution is analysed. In the case of Edwards, it will be how many times he makes a tackle, how many times he loses possession, how many times he loses the person he marks, how many successful passes he completes etc etc. So those individual stats will form part of the team's performance.

With Kelman, of course, goals, shots etc etc will form part of it. But other stats like how many times he wins the ball, how many times he holds, how many times he closes down a defender. They also contribute because it means that the ball doesn't keep coming back and we are under constant pressure. Unfortunately, because of the way we play and that lack of service will affect the number of chances he gets but that doesn't mean that he hasn't done his bit.

All footballers are measured by what they do with and without the ball and both contribute to a team's stats and performance. NJ clearly thinks that Kelman is our best option but there were others who felt that Leaburn would be better starting. That isn't the case by any metric. Others believe that Godden will be better but until he is actually fit we aren't going to know. 

cafc_se7 said:

Crispywood said:

Absolutely hilarious that our attack is so poor we’re praying on the return of a striker with 1 goal in 13, feels like when we were playing with Davison and Burstow up top and was desperate for Washington and Stockley to be fit. 

Also absolutely hilarious that some think that Godden is automatically a bigger loss to us than someone who is younger, scored more goals last season and has also been in a side that has been performing. That is no disrespect to Godden by the way, but extremely naive to think that just because he was pivotal to us last season in a farmers league he will be important to us again in a more physical/quicker league! 

cafc_se7 said:

It’s a NabySarr said:

cafc_se7 said:

Crispywood said:

Absolutely hilarious that our attack is so poor we’re praying on the return of a striker with 1 goal in 13, feels like when we were playing with Davison and Burstow up top and was desperate for Washington and Stockley to be fit. 

Also absolutely hilarious that some think that Godden is automatically a bigger loss to us than someone who is younger, scored more goals last season and has also been in a side that has been performing. That is no disrespect to Godden by the way, but extremely naive to think that just because he was pivotal to us last season in a farmers league he will be important to us again in a more physical/quicker league! 

Godden’s allround game is so obviously much better than Kelman’s. 

The only doubt with Godden is whether he can recover from this injury and get back to what he was last season. If he does then he will make a big difference and be one of the first names on the team sheet, and be starting ahead of Kelman 

Im a huge fan of Godden but I disagree, I think the champ may be a bit too much of an ask for him! Centre backs will pick up on his movement so much better than League One centre backs.