++Charlie Kelman signs on a 4 year deal++

killerandflash said:

Sword65pf said:

killerandflash said:

Rothko said:

and Cov moved on from Godden 18 months ago as he wasn't doing it in the Championship. 

QPR were happy to sell Kelman to us in the summer. 

https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/leagues/48/stats/season/27195/players/rating/team/8451/charlton-athletic

The Fotmob ratings are interesting, as they show that none of our strikers have done the business this season, and all feature on page 2 of the Charlton rankings. But Kelman is bottom, reflecting his lack of impact on games.

https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/leagues/48/stats/season/27195/players/poss_won_att_3rd/team/8451

This is the possession won  in the final 3rd stat per 90. Even on that stat he's well behind Miles and Tanto.

Luckily stats don’t mean shit until you use them as a stick to beat players with, Kelman has scored one less than our other strikers. People can see with their own eyes that there is work to do, but can also see it is an improving working process that has us sitting in sixth. At this stage I’m more than happy with that because I know we will get better, it’s what NJ’s teams do. As others have said judge properly at the end of the season.

Of course stats mean something, as they give a better picture of the overall contribution a player is making . And I deliberately didn't mention goals, as clearly none of our strikers would look good on that criteria. 

Possession won  in the final 3rd shows how effective strikers are in doing the dirty work of hassling and challenging defenders, and winning the ball back in dangerous areas. Looking up these numbers

Kelman 4
Tanto 4
TC   6
Miles  12

Or Recoveries

Kelman 13
Tanto 13
TC   21
Miles  22

Suggest that even on the workrate and harrying side, it isn't obvious that Kelman is more effective than our other options.

But who gives a shit about stats if the team wins, stats don’t win games. We can all pick a stat to suit a narrative. Just watch the bloody game, enjoy if we win great, if we lose ..so what there’s always next week.

Think he just needs a goal. Can’t get the negativity of some on here towards Leaburn working hard and causing problems. I am fully aware that none of our strikers are excelling at the moment but all work hard and are showing enough for me to think that they will all continue to improve and that the goals will come.

Scoham said:

Callumcafc said:

From twitter

Kone not far from Leaburn and Kelman

Gets more shots off so will score more on average, Kelman is neither shooting or getting in shooting positions, according to that.

Crispywood said:

CL_Phantom said:

Callumcafc said:

From twitter

Hardly surprising, one thing his doubters and supporters agree on is Kelman not getting in the box enough as hes chasing around outside of it. 

Also couple of notes for those who wont look too closely

1. This is ranking SHOT PLACEMENT from the PENALTY BOX and not shots in general*
2. Thats not our Campbell, its the Sheff United one

3. The guy hasn't said how placement % is measured which would be nice, but more for boring stat, data people.



* The general spot graph is available, it bumps Kelman up ever so slightly.

I like how the defence for Kelman is immediately jumping on the fact that it’s the Stoke Campbell and not our one. 

Because pointing out TC is terrible at finishing definitely eliminates the fact Kelman has managed 6 shots in 12 games. 

Also the placement percentage is on players hitting the corner of the goal. Granted Kelman has had only 4 shots in the box so the data will be inaccurate as one good shot can suddenly change that.

he had the pearoller that went wide at Derby, another shot straight at Zetterstrom in the same game, the blocked shot against Wednesday and the sort of redirected shot at Watford which again went straight at Selvik so from the limited data they do have that’s why he’s there in that corner

No its pointing out to people who havent got the source of the data that its not our Campbell......

Bit of a Gary Nelson in that he makes intelligent runs, drags players out of position, good footballer but never going to be prolific imo.  He has a place in our squad.

balham red said:

Sword65pf said:

killerandflash said:

Sword65pf said:

killerandflash said:

Rothko said:

and Cov moved on from Godden 18 months ago as he wasn't doing it in the Championship. 

QPR were happy to sell Kelman to us in the summer. 

https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/leagues/48/stats/season/27195/players/rating/team/8451/charlton-athletic

The Fotmob ratings are interesting, as they show that none of our strikers have done the business this season, and all feature on page 2 of the Charlton rankings. But Kelman is bottom, reflecting his lack of impact on games.

https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/leagues/48/stats/season/27195/players/poss_won_att_3rd/team/8451

This is the possession won  in the final 3rd stat per 90. Even on that stat he's well behind Miles and Tanto.

Luckily stats don’t mean shit until you use them as a stick to beat players with, Kelman has scored one less than our other strikers. People can see with their own eyes that there is work to do, but can also see it is an improving working process that has us sitting in sixth. At this stage I’m more than happy with that because I know we will get better, it’s what NJ’s teams do. As others have said judge properly at the end of the season.

Of course stats mean something, as they give a better picture of the overall contribution a player is making . And I deliberately didn't mention goals, as clearly none of our strikers would look good on that criteria. 

Possession won  in the final 3rd shows how effective strikers are in doing the dirty work of hassling and challenging defenders, and winning the ball back in dangerous areas. Looking up these numbers

Kelman 4
Tanto 4
TC   6
Miles  12

Or Recoveries

Kelman 13
Tanto 13
TC   21
Miles  22

Suggest that even on the workrate and harrying side, it isn't obvious that Kelman is more effective than our other options.

But who gives a shit about stats if the team wins, stats don’t win games. We can all pick a stat to suit a narrative. Just watch the bloody game, enjoy if we win great, if we lose ..so what there’s always next week.

If we can all pick a stat to suit the narrative, please could you pick a stat that suits the narrative that Kelman is performing at all well?

As I said stats are bollox. Watch the game judge on what you see with your own eyes, don’t decide after 12 games in a long season.Im sure there is a reason NJ sees fit to keep starting him which is partly stat driven, maybe ask him, but not sure we are in a position to question his decisions at the moment.That way people might be less pedantic. 

Sword65pf said:

balham red said:

Sword65pf said:

killerandflash said:

Sword65pf said:

killerandflash said:

Rothko said:

and Cov moved on from Godden 18 months ago as he wasn't doing it in the Championship. 

QPR were happy to sell Kelman to us in the summer. 

https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/leagues/48/stats/season/27195/players/rating/team/8451/charlton-athletic

The Fotmob ratings are interesting, as they show that none of our strikers have done the business this season, and all feature on page 2 of the Charlton rankings. But Kelman is bottom, reflecting his lack of impact on games.

https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/leagues/48/stats/season/27195/players/poss_won_att_3rd/team/8451

This is the possession won  in the final 3rd stat per 90. Even on that stat he's well behind Miles and Tanto.

Luckily stats don’t mean shit until you use them as a stick to beat players with, Kelman has scored one less than our other strikers. People can see with their own eyes that there is work to do, but can also see it is an improving working process that has us sitting in sixth. At this stage I’m more than happy with that because I know we will get better, it’s what NJ’s teams do. As others have said judge properly at the end of the season.

Of course stats mean something, as they give a better picture of the overall contribution a player is making . And I deliberately didn't mention goals, as clearly none of our strikers would look good on that criteria. 

Possession won  in the final 3rd shows how effective strikers are in doing the dirty work of hassling and challenging defenders, and winning the ball back in dangerous areas. Looking up these numbers

Kelman 4
Tanto 4
TC   6
Miles  12

Or Recoveries

Kelman 13
Tanto 13
TC   21
Miles  22

Suggest that even on the workrate and harrying side, it isn't obvious that Kelman is more effective than our other options.

But who gives a shit about stats if the team wins, stats don’t win games. We can all pick a stat to suit a narrative. Just watch the bloody game, enjoy if we win great, if we lose ..so what there’s always next week.

If we can all pick a stat to suit the narrative, please could you pick a stat that suits the narrative that Kelman is performing at all well?

As I said stats are bollox. Watch the game judge on what you see with your own eyes, don’t decide after 12 games in a long season.Im sure there is a reason NJ sees fit to keep starting him which is partly stat driven, maybe ask him, but not sure we are in a position to question his decisions at the moment.That way people might be less pedantic. 

Its not pedantism. Kelman has clearly got a set of skills based on last seasons goal haul, but my eyes are telling me hes completely ineffective in our setup. Dont get me wrong, not many strikers will thrive in our setup, but all the others are comparatively more effective. 

The stats are backing up what my eyes see.

robroy said:

When will this end? hahaha

Probably when he scores a goal 🥅 

We are a team that relies on each individual doing a specific job, the fact we keep seeing Kelman start would indicate he is doing in the most part what he is being asked to do. If he gets dropped and it’s specifically because he isn’t scoring, then that’s how it goes. To make comparisons between our strikers( I don’t include TC in this as in my opinion he’s not a striker) and try to set any of them apart is a bit of a stretch to be honest, they all have room to improve. But as you say Balham, our formation and style doesn’t lend its self to prolific strikers, and yet this is what people want. Things will improve over the season whilst we sit 6th. But saying all this truthfully I really don’t care, he is part of a team doing really well and I can’t wait for every next game, he will score and we will all celebrate like he’s great. I find it odd when we are doing so well people highlight the negative. Let’s enjoy it’s been too long.

cafcsinger said:

You're allowed to say its been its a fantastic start to the season but that Kelman has been underwhelming. It's true he doesn't get much service, but some of that is down to him. Luke Berry came on for 20 minutes on Saturday and had 3 shots, Kelman on the other hand didn't have one. His link up play has been ok, but we need to see more from him.

I don’t think anyone is saying he doesn’t need to improve, but people are seeing what he does for the team also and not judging on whether he has scored after 12 games.would it be more beneficial to the team if he’d scored let’s say 4 goals all in games We had lost and sat in mid table?. 

EugenesAxe said:

CaptainRobbo said:

robroy said:

When will this end? hahaha

Probably when he scores a goal 🥅 

Simple as this really, shuts up both sides of the argument.

Exactly this.

CaptainRobbo said:

When he does eventually score, his teammates will go absolutely mental in celebration for him.

He'll end up on loan to Stevenage in January, then he and Ahadme will get 20 goals between them.