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After the Millwall game - club reply to CAST p34, further CAST response p45
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This is my whole point.doronron said:
But the club seems to not want to pay for police inside the ground .Talking to other fans at the Wednesday game, a few asked why did a group of our fans go down the steps and start the trouble by goading them ,I thought it was only 2 of our fans but apparently it was about 20ElfsborgAddick said:Baldybonce said:
I suppose because the trouble at the millwall game was initiated from our side of the gate.Major said:
Totally agree. My first reaction was, 'Why are they all facing the wrong way'?Off_it said:
12 stewards - and all on the Charlton side of the fence, again. That's absolutely pathetic. Are they supposed to be looking intimidating or something? If so, to who - the old folk in the East Stand?TootingRedArmy said:
Well the wall of stewards at Gate 21 yesterday continues to grow with yellow and blue and red jackets with green jacketed superviser. Question when gate can be opened on the other side where are the stewards?
Yesterday looked like around 10 police around the control room in JS & WS corner, presume these are paid for by the club, why aren't they standing in Away end?
Question for club and police is JS stand a Police No Go zone with Millwall fans?
I'm trying to think if there are other areas parts of UK which are Police No Go zones?
where they don't go as it may agiate the public or sit and wait 4 minutes before responding?
worrying response from the police why they stood back from arresting the Millwall fans attacking Charlton fans at Gate 21, would police stand back for 4 minutes when someone is attacked in a street? bank is raided?
No one has been able to answer what 300 police actually did or where they were at Millwall game or what it cost? How many were just sat in white vans doing nothing?
I was walking down the hill yesterday before turning off to walk towards the Sam Bartrum gate @ 2.15pm, five white vans with sirens blaring came down the hill in the direction of Royal Oak, was there trouble?
This is a show of 'look we're doing something'.
The stewards in future for 'risk' games should be some either side of the gate.
Police instead of stewards would be an awful lot better.
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Yes - CHAT GPT For the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) in London, the published “Special Police Services” (SPS) hourly charge for a Constable deployed at a commercial event (such as inside a football stadium) from 1 January 2025 is approximately £97.09 per hour.ElfsborgAddick said:
This is my whole point.doronron said:
But the club seems to not want to pay for police inside the ground .Talking to other fans at the Wednesday game, a few asked why did a group of our fans go down the steps and start the trouble by goading them ,I thought it was only 2 of our fans but apparently it was about 20ElfsborgAddick said:Baldybonce said:
I suppose because the trouble at the millwall game was initiated from our side of the gate.Major said:
Totally agree. My first reaction was, 'Why are they all facing the wrong way'?Off_it said:
12 stewards - and all on the Charlton side of the fence, again. That's absolutely pathetic. Are they supposed to be looking intimidating or something? If so, to who - the old folk in the East Stand?TootingRedArmy said:
Well the wall of stewards at Gate 21 yesterday continues to grow with yellow and blue and red jackets with green jacketed superviser. Question when gate can be opened on the other side where are the stewards?
Yesterday looked like around 10 police around the control room in JS & WS corner, presume these are paid for by the club, why aren't they standing in Away end?
Question for club and police is JS stand a Police No Go zone with Millwall fans?
I'm trying to think if there are other areas parts of UK which are Police No Go zones?
where they don't go as it may agiate the public or sit and wait 4 minutes before responding?
worrying response from the police why they stood back from arresting the Millwall fans attacking Charlton fans at Gate 21, would police stand back for 4 minutes when someone is attacked in a street? bank is raided?
No one has been able to answer what 300 police actually did or where they were at Millwall game or what it cost? How many were just sat in white vans doing nothing?
I was walking down the hill yesterday before turning off to walk towards the Sam Bartrum gate @ 2.15pm, five white vans with sirens blaring came down the hill in the direction of Royal Oak, was there trouble?
This is a show of 'look we're doing something'.
The stewards in future for 'risk' games should be some either side of the gate.
Police instead of stewards would be an awful lot better.
Versus stewards on £12-14 per hour
Still whats the price of safety, at these high risk matches surely having police in Away section makes sense
is anyone closer to finding out what 300 police OUTSIDE did?5 -
BingoTootingRedArmy said:
Yes - CHAT GPT For the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) in London, the published “Special Police Services” (SPS) hourly charge for a Constable deployed at a commercial event (such as inside a football stadium) from 1 January 2025 is approximately £97.09 per hour.ElfsborgAddick said:
This is my whole point.doronron said:
But the club seems to not want to pay for police inside the ground .Talking to other fans at the Wednesday game, a few asked why did a group of our fans go down the steps and start the trouble by goading them ,I thought it was only 2 of our fans but apparently it was about 20ElfsborgAddick said:Baldybonce said:
I suppose because the trouble at the millwall game was initiated from our side of the gate.Major said:
Totally agree. My first reaction was, 'Why are they all facing the wrong way'?Off_it said:
12 stewards - and all on the Charlton side of the fence, again. That's absolutely pathetic. Are they supposed to be looking intimidating or something? If so, to who - the old folk in the East Stand?TootingRedArmy said:
Well the wall of stewards at Gate 21 yesterday continues to grow with yellow and blue and red jackets with green jacketed superviser. Question when gate can be opened on the other side where are the stewards?
Yesterday looked like around 10 police around the control room in JS & WS corner, presume these are paid for by the club, why aren't they standing in Away end?
Question for club and police is JS stand a Police No Go zone with Millwall fans?
I'm trying to think if there are other areas parts of UK which are Police No Go zones?
where they don't go as it may agiate the public or sit and wait 4 minutes before responding?
worrying response from the police why they stood back from arresting the Millwall fans attacking Charlton fans at Gate 21, would police stand back for 4 minutes when someone is attacked in a street? bank is raided?
No one has been able to answer what 300 police actually did or where they were at Millwall game or what it cost? How many were just sat in white vans doing nothing?
I was walking down the hill yesterday before turning off to walk towards the Sam Bartrum gate @ 2.15pm, five white vans with sirens blaring came down the hill in the direction of Royal Oak, was there trouble?
This is a show of 'look we're doing something'.
The stewards in future for 'risk' games should be some either side of the gate.
Police instead of stewards would be an awful lot better.
Versus stewards on £12-14 per hour
Still whats the price of safety, at these high risk matches surely having police in Away section makes sense
is anyone closer to finding out what 300 police OUTSIDE did?0 -
So on those figures it will cost around 200k at worst to have plod inside the ground.
Increase the grade A games by £5 next season to cover the outlay.0 -
IKEA ?TootingRedArmy said:
Yes - CHAT GPT For the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) in London, the published “Special Police Services” (SPS) hourly charge for a Constable deployed at a commercial event (such as inside a football stadium) from 1 January 2025 is approximately £97.09 per hour.ElfsborgAddick said:
This is my whole point.doronron said:
But the club seems to not want to pay for police inside the ground .Talking to other fans at the Wednesday game, a few asked why did a group of our fans go down the steps and start the trouble by goading them ,I thought it was only 2 of our fans but apparently it was about 20ElfsborgAddick said:Baldybonce said:
I suppose because the trouble at the millwall game was initiated from our side of the gate.Major said:
Totally agree. My first reaction was, 'Why are they all facing the wrong way'?Off_it said:
12 stewards - and all on the Charlton side of the fence, again. That's absolutely pathetic. Are they supposed to be looking intimidating or something? If so, to who - the old folk in the East Stand?TootingRedArmy said:
Well the wall of stewards at Gate 21 yesterday continues to grow with yellow and blue and red jackets with green jacketed superviser. Question when gate can be opened on the other side where are the stewards?
Yesterday looked like around 10 police around the control room in JS & WS corner, presume these are paid for by the club, why aren't they standing in Away end?
Question for club and police is JS stand a Police No Go zone with Millwall fans?
I'm trying to think if there are other areas parts of UK which are Police No Go zones?
where they don't go as it may agiate the public or sit and wait 4 minutes before responding?
worrying response from the police why they stood back from arresting the Millwall fans attacking Charlton fans at Gate 21, would police stand back for 4 minutes when someone is attacked in a street? bank is raided?
No one has been able to answer what 300 police actually did or where they were at Millwall game or what it cost? How many were just sat in white vans doing nothing?
I was walking down the hill yesterday before turning off to walk towards the Sam Bartrum gate @ 2.15pm, five white vans with sirens blaring came down the hill in the direction of Royal Oak, was there trouble?
This is a show of 'look we're doing something'.
The stewards in future for 'risk' games should be some either side of the gate.
Police instead of stewards would be an awful lot better.
Versus stewards on £12-14 per hour
Still whats the price of safety, at these high risk matches surely having police in Away section makes sense
is anyone closer to finding out what 300 police OUTSIDE did?1 -
this is just a guessimateElfsborgAddick said:So on those figures it will cost around 200k at worst to have plod inside the ground.
Increase the grade A games by £5 next season to cover the outlay.
but I would imagine you would need @15 police inside the away end of the ground ( 8hr shift? for football matches) cost @ £16,500 police + 50 stewards inside away end x 6hrs x £14 = £4200 @£21K TOTAL cost for police + stewards away end
3,000 Millwall charge them £40 per ticket (whatever EFL allows)= £120,000?
if 300 police were on this fixture , some might as well be park right behind away end in white response vans for quick deployment
this shouldn't be about cost of police but putting correct measures in place, JS is not a police no go zone
btw is alcohol served in JS stand for these high risk matches? maybe one for taps not to flow for Millwall
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We can't charge them £40 a ticket even if we wanted to unless we charge that for our fans in the Covered End lower as well.TootingRedArmy said:
this is just a guessimateElfsborgAddick said:So on those figures it will cost around 200k at worst to have plod inside the ground.
Increase the grade A games by £5 next season to cover the outlay.
but I would imagine you would need @15 police inside the away end of the ground ( 8hr shift? for football matches) cost @ £16,500 police + 50 stewards inside away end x 6hrs x £14 = £4200 @£21K TOTAL cost for police + stewards away end
3,000 Millwall charge them £40 per ticket (whatever EFL allows)= £120,000?
if 300 police were on this fixture , some might as well be park right behind away end in white response vans for quick deployment
this shouldn't be about cost of police but putting correct measures in place, JS is not a police no go zone
btw is alcohol served in JS stand for these high risk matches? maybe one for taps not to flow for Millwall0 -
MartinCAFC said:
We can't charge them £40 a ticket even if we wanted to unless we charge that for our fans in the Covered End lower as well.TootingRedArmy said:
this is just a guessimateElfsborgAddick said:So on those figures it will cost around 200k at worst to have plod inside the ground.
Increase the grade A games by £5 next season to cover the outlay.
but I would imagine you would need @15 police inside the away end of the ground ( 8hr shift? for football matches) cost @ £16,500 police + 50 stewards inside away end x 6hrs x £14 = £4200 @£21K TOTAL cost for police + stewards away end
3,000 Millwall charge them £40 per ticket (whatever EFL allows)= £120,000?
if 300 police were on this fixture , some might as well be park right behind away end in white response vans for quick deployment
this shouldn't be about cost of police but putting correct measures in place, JS is not a police no go zone
btw is alcohol served in JS stand for these high risk matches? maybe one for taps not to flow for Millwall
Yes, so when we grade the games this becomes the only one that is the most expensive. Anybody that buys a ticket for this give them a voucher for a drink to offset the extra cost.
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Forgive me if I am going over old ground (in a thread this long I suspect I am), but regarding the "Gate 21 Incident". As far as I know, other than the pitch, there are just two exits from the away end, the same way they come in and Gate 21? So with nearly 300 OB on duty, why in the name of Curbishley were there not half a dozen of them stationed outside Gate 21 for the duration?
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Cost. Simple as that.Algarveaddick said:Forgive me if I am going over old ground (in a thread this long I suspect I am), but regarding the "Gate 21 Incident". As far as I know, other than the pitch, there are just two exits from the away end, the same way they come in and Gate 21? So with nearly 300 OB on duty, why in the name of Curbishley were there not half a dozen of them stationed outside Gate 21 for the duration?
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Algarveaddick said:Forgive me if I am going over old ground (in a thread this long I suspect I am), but regarding the "Gate 21 Incident". As far as I know, other than the pitch, there are just two exits from the away end, the same way they come in and Gate 21? So with nearly 300 OB on duty, why in the name of Curbishley were there not half a dozen of them stationed outside Gate 21 for the duration?
The police were all outside the ground. Only stewards on duty inside The Valley.0 -
All 297 of them?TootingRedArmy said:
So has the Millwall fan who attacked the charlton fan (who was trying to reason with millwall fans) Arrested?
Social media showed footage of what happened and club have CCTV footage?
from minutes .....
https://www.charltonafc.com/news/supporter-forum-october-2025
EW said the club upgraded its CCTV system in the summer, so the club had shared footage with the police of those involved in the disorder. EW said some people within the stadium witnessed things that we do not wish people witness at the club’s home. He said that it is important that people feel safe at The Valley. EW said the club had been asked why police weren’t involved in the incident at Gate 21. EW said the police were in the club's control room and by the time they had finished their tea and biscuits , the need for their intervention had dissipated. EW said the police make operational decisions on whether they intervene based on experience. ME said he’d read stuff on social media about the management of the gate incident that wasn’t true.
Must be like the TARDIS in there
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Not sure where you are getting that number from, but in any event the Wednesday game was quite an interesting experiment in overpricing - people visibly shifted out of the £40 seats in response to the increase. There were large gaps in prime seats.ElfsborgAddick said:So on those figures it will cost around 200k at worst to have plod inside the ground.
Increase the grade A games by £5 next season to cover the outlay.It’s a really lazy assumption (by the club) that you can just hike prices for no reason and expect to get the full benefit. We can’t assume the counter factual and we don’t have the actual data, but you can’t guarantee that higher prices equal more revenue unless you are at capacity either way.
You get more from Wednesday fans but what is the effect on home revenue? Why would you even bother putting prime seats up from £38 to £40? The revenue effect would be trivial even if it didn’t affect sales.0 -
What about the ones outside the front of the police box?Weegie Addick said:Algarveaddick said:Forgive me if I am going over old ground (in a thread this long I suspect I am), but regarding the "Gate 21 Incident". As far as I know, other than the pitch, there are just two exits from the away end, the same way they come in and Gate 21? So with nearly 300 OB on duty, why in the name of Curbishley were there not half a dozen of them stationed outside Gate 21 for the duration?
The police were all outside the ground. Only stewards on duty inside The Valley.
Come to think of it, what about the ones inside the police box? Surely if they see a crime being committed it's their job to do something about it?3 -
Exactly and that’s what they’re there for.Off_it said:
What about the ones outside the front of the police box?Weegie Addick said:Algarveaddick said:Forgive me if I am going over old ground (in a thread this long I suspect I am), but regarding the "Gate 21 Incident". As far as I know, other than the pitch, there are just two exits from the away end, the same way they come in and Gate 21? So with nearly 300 OB on duty, why in the name of Curbishley were there not half a dozen of them stationed outside Gate 21 for the duration?
The police were all outside the ground. Only stewards on duty inside The Valley.
Come to think of it, what about the ones inside the police box? Surely if they see a crime being committed it's their job to do something about it?
The very fact that the delay between seeing the incident at the gate & then the match commander deciding it wasn’t worth sending them in because it was over (in their opinion) needs to be taken up by someone imho.3 -
Photographic proof of what actually happened in the control box
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Baldybonce said:
Cost. Simple as that.Algarveaddick said:Forgive me if I am going over old ground (in a thread this long I suspect I am), but regarding the "Gate 21 Incident". As far as I know, other than the pitch, there are just two exits from the away end, the same way they come in and Gate 21? So with nearly 300 OB on duty, why in the name of Curbishley were there not half a dozen of them stationed outside Gate 21 for the duration?
I did say stationed outside Gate 21, guys. And I meant half a dozen of the 300 odd that were already being paid to be on duty, most of them seemed to be doing sod all else by all accounts?Weegie Addick said:Algarveaddick said:Forgive me if I am going over old ground (in a thread this long I suspect I am), but regarding the "Gate 21 Incident". As far as I know, other than the pitch, there are just two exits from the away end, the same way they come in and Gate 21? So with nearly 300 OB on duty, why in the name of Curbishley were there not half a dozen of them stationed outside Gate 21 for the duration?
The police were all outside the ground. Only stewards on duty inside The Valley.0 -
Weegie Addick said:Algarveaddick said:Forgive me if I am going over old ground (in a thread this long I suspect I am), but regarding the "Gate 21 Incident". As far as I know, other than the pitch, there are just two exits from the away end, the same way they come in and Gate 21? So with nearly 300 OB on duty, why in the name of Curbishley were there not half a dozen of them stationed outside Gate 21 for the duration?
The police were all outside the ground. Only stewards on duty inside The Valley.
That must be rectified next season.
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If they aren't going to actually do anything when it kicks off, what is the point of them being there?
Might as well be back at the station putting 🌈 transfers on the squad cars or online checking out Facebook.3 -
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Outside gate 21 is still inside the ground where the only Police on duty were inside or just outside of the control room.Algarveaddick said:Baldybonce said:
Cost. Simple as that.Algarveaddick said:Forgive me if I am going over old ground (in a thread this long I suspect I am), but regarding the "Gate 21 Incident". As far as I know, other than the pitch, there are just two exits from the away end, the same way they come in and Gate 21? So with nearly 300 OB on duty, why in the name of Curbishley were there not half a dozen of them stationed outside Gate 21 for the duration?
I did say stationed outside Gate 21, guys. And I meant half a dozen of the 300 odd that were already being paid to be on duty, most of them seemed to be doing sod all else by all accounts?Weegie Addick said:Algarveaddick said:Forgive me if I am going over old ground (in a thread this long I suspect I am), but regarding the "Gate 21 Incident". As far as I know, other than the pitch, there are just two exits from the away end, the same way they come in and Gate 21? So with nearly 300 OB on duty, why in the name of Curbishley were there not half a dozen of them stationed outside Gate 21 for the duration?
The police were all outside the ground. Only stewards on duty inside The Valley.Going by @TootingRedArmy's figures to have 6 Policemen on gate duty would have cost a LOT. The club obviously don't want to pay for Policing inside the ground and are prepared to suck up any incidents.0 -
Baldybonce said:
Outside gate 21 is still inside the ground where the only Police on duty were inside or just outside of the control room.Algarveaddick said:Baldybonce said:
Cost. Simple as that.Algarveaddick said:Forgive me if I am going over old ground (in a thread this long I suspect I am), but regarding the "Gate 21 Incident". As far as I know, other than the pitch, there are just two exits from the away end, the same way they come in and Gate 21? So with nearly 300 OB on duty, why in the name of Curbishley were there not half a dozen of them stationed outside Gate 21 for the duration?
I did say stationed outside Gate 21, guys. And I meant half a dozen of the 300 odd that were already being paid to be on duty, most of them seemed to be doing sod all else by all accounts?Weegie Addick said:Algarveaddick said:Forgive me if I am going over old ground (in a thread this long I suspect I am), but regarding the "Gate 21 Incident". As far as I know, other than the pitch, there are just two exits from the away end, the same way they come in and Gate 21? So with nearly 300 OB on duty, why in the name of Curbishley were there not half a dozen of them stationed outside Gate 21 for the duration?
The police were all outside the ground. Only stewards on duty inside The Valley.Going by @TootingRedArmy's figures to have 6 Policemen on gate duty would have cost a LOT. The club obviously don't want to pay for Policing inside the ground and are prepared to suck up any incidents.
And I'd not be surprised that this is the crux of all the problems created.
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In the same way that the club didn't go out of its way to publicise the after-match arrangements, but were busy trying to drum up extra seat sales.ElfsborgAddick said:Baldybonce said:
Outside gate 21 is still inside the ground where the only Police on duty were inside or just outside of the control room.Algarveaddick said:Baldybonce said:
Cost. Simple as that.Algarveaddick said:Forgive me if I am going over old ground (in a thread this long I suspect I am), but regarding the "Gate 21 Incident". As far as I know, other than the pitch, there are just two exits from the away end, the same way they come in and Gate 21? So with nearly 300 OB on duty, why in the name of Curbishley were there not half a dozen of them stationed outside Gate 21 for the duration?
I did say stationed outside Gate 21, guys. And I meant half a dozen of the 300 odd that were already being paid to be on duty, most of them seemed to be doing sod all else by all accounts?Weegie Addick said:Algarveaddick said:Forgive me if I am going over old ground (in a thread this long I suspect I am), but regarding the "Gate 21 Incident". As far as I know, other than the pitch, there are just two exits from the away end, the same way they come in and Gate 21? So with nearly 300 OB on duty, why in the name of Curbishley were there not half a dozen of them stationed outside Gate 21 for the duration?
The police were all outside the ground. Only stewards on duty inside The Valley.Going by @TootingRedArmy's figures to have 6 Policemen on gate duty would have cost a LOT. The club obviously don't want to pay for Policing inside the ground and are prepared to suck up any incidents.
And I'd not be surprised that this is the crux of all the problems created.
It all comes down to pounds, shillings and pence.5 -
superclive98 said:
In the same way that the club didn't go out of its way to publicise the after-match arrangements, but were busy trying to drum up extra seat sales.ElfsborgAddick said:Baldybonce said:
Outside gate 21 is still inside the ground where the only Police on duty were inside or just outside of the control room.Algarveaddick said:Baldybonce said:
Cost. Simple as that.Algarveaddick said:Forgive me if I am going over old ground (in a thread this long I suspect I am), but regarding the "Gate 21 Incident". As far as I know, other than the pitch, there are just two exits from the away end, the same way they come in and Gate 21? So with nearly 300 OB on duty, why in the name of Curbishley were there not half a dozen of them stationed outside Gate 21 for the duration?
I did say stationed outside Gate 21, guys. And I meant half a dozen of the 300 odd that were already being paid to be on duty, most of them seemed to be doing sod all else by all accounts?Weegie Addick said:Algarveaddick said:Forgive me if I am going over old ground (in a thread this long I suspect I am), but regarding the "Gate 21 Incident". As far as I know, other than the pitch, there are just two exits from the away end, the same way they come in and Gate 21? So with nearly 300 OB on duty, why in the name of Curbishley were there not half a dozen of them stationed outside Gate 21 for the duration?
The police were all outside the ground. Only stewards on duty inside The Valley.Going by @TootingRedArmy's figures to have 6 Policemen on gate duty would have cost a LOT. The club obviously don't want to pay for Policing inside the ground and are prepared to suck up any incidents.
And I'd not be surprised that this is the crux of all the problems created.
It all comes down to pounds, shillings and pence.
At the expense of 20,000 Charlton fans inconvenience and welfare.
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this is just a guessimate
but I would imagine you would need @15 police inside the away end of the ground ( 8hr shift? for football matches) cost @ £16,500 police + 50 stewards inside away end x 6hrs x £14 = £4200 @£21K TOTAL cost for police + stewards away end
3,000 Millwall charge them £40 per ticket (whatever EFL allows)= £120,000?
above from an earlier post...(I CHAT GPT Met police hr rate to get £16.5k & stewards on £14 ph.
OK I understand £40 can't be charged (£38 last night at Portman rd) what is the maximum under EFL rules
what isn't acceptable is fans safety is compromised by saving money, I obviously don't know exact numbers and figures but as a guessimate around £21K to police:steward the Away End
+ 300 police outside the ground, surely they are needed as close as possible for potential trouble so a number of vans parked up directly behind the JS for quick response.
whats the deal if police enter the ground if trouble occurs does club pay are the police on the clock?
feels a bit like a boozer with security on door, it kicks off and police come in and make arrest, this doesn't cost the pub?
ultimately we pay through our taxes so its reasonable to expect answers and not accept what police have trotted out that Millwall away supporters in JS is a No Police zone.
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Club pays if they come in, I believe.TootingRedArmy said:this is just a guessimate
but I would imagine you would need @15 police inside the away end of the ground ( 8hr shift? for football matches) cost @ £16,500 police + 50 stewards inside away end x 6hrs x £14 = £4200 @£21K TOTAL cost for police + stewards away end
3,000 Millwall charge them £40 per ticket (whatever EFL allows)= £120,000?
above from an earlier post...(I CHAT GPT Met police hr rate to get £16.5k & stewards on £14 ph.
OK I understand £40 can't be charged (£38 last night at Portman rd) what is the maximum under EFL rules
what isn't acceptable is fans safety is compromised by saving money, I obviously don't know exact numbers and figures but as a guessimate around £21K to police:steward the Away End
+ 300 police outside the ground, surely they are needed as close as possible for potential trouble so a number of vans parked up directly behind the JS for quick response.
whats the deal if police enter the ground if trouble occurs does club pay are the police on the clock?
feels a bit like a boozer with security on door, it kicks off and police come in and make arrest, this doesn't cost the pub?
ultimately we pay through our taxes so its reasonable to expect answers and not accept what police have trotted out that Millwall away supporters in JS is a No Police zone.0 -
TootingRedArmy said:this is just a guessimate
but I would imagine you would need @15 police inside the away end of the ground ( 8hr shift? for football matches) cost @ £16,500 police + 50 stewards inside away end x 6hrs x £14 = £4200 @£21K TOTAL cost for police + stewards away end
3,000 Millwall charge them £40 per ticket (whatever EFL allows)= £120,000?
above from an earlier post...(I CHAT GPT Met police hr rate to get £16.5k & stewards on £14 ph.
OK I understand £40 can't be charged (£38 last night at Portman rd) what is the maximum under EFL rules
what isn't acceptable is fans safety is compromised by saving money, I obviously don't know exact numbers and figures but as a guessimate around £21K to police:steward the Away End
+ 300 police outside the ground, surely they are needed as close as possible for potential trouble so a number of vans parked up directly behind the JS for quick response.
whats the deal if police enter the ground if trouble occurs does club pay are the police on the clock?
feels a bit like a boozer with security on door, it kicks off and police come in and make arrest, this doesn't cost the pub?
ultimately we pay through our taxes so its reasonable to expect answers and not accept what police have trotted out that Millwall away supporters in JS is a No Police zone.There is no maximum away ticket price in the EFL - they voted against having the cap at £30 like the PL.The EFL rules state however that you cannot charge more for away tickets than the price in equivalent home areas. The equivalent home area at The Valley is the lower Covered End.
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I ask the question, do we really need police inside the stadium during the game…..there was no crowd trouble to justify the expense, one might expect a similar outcome in the future and no reason to think otherwise?
Having them outside and standing by is surely the way to go.
However, I would propose the following……the Spanners held back for 45 minutes upon the blowing of the final whistle.
15 minutes before the final whistle a reasonably large contingent of police are brought in and lined up in front of The Jimmy Seed and stay in position for those 45 minutes, plus the 15 minutes prior to final whistle ……this makes approximately 1 hour (or thereabouts), per officer actually being on duty inside the stadium.
I think that makes sense…..might need a bit of fine tuning of course.3 -
Schrodingers gate? How can outside the ground be inside the ground, BB?Baldybonce said:
Outside gate 21 is still inside the ground where the only Police on duty were inside or just outside of the control room.Algarveaddick said:Baldybonce said:
Cost. Simple as that.Algarveaddick said:Forgive me if I am going over old ground (in a thread this long I suspect I am), but regarding the "Gate 21 Incident". As far as I know, other than the pitch, there are just two exits from the away end, the same way they come in and Gate 21? So with nearly 300 OB on duty, why in the name of Curbishley were there not half a dozen of them stationed outside Gate 21 for the duration?
I did say stationed outside Gate 21, guys. And I meant half a dozen of the 300 odd that were already being paid to be on duty, most of them seemed to be doing sod all else by all accounts?Weegie Addick said:Algarveaddick said:Forgive me if I am going over old ground (in a thread this long I suspect I am), but regarding the "Gate 21 Incident". As far as I know, other than the pitch, there are just two exits from the away end, the same way they come in and Gate 21? So with nearly 300 OB on duty, why in the name of Curbishley were there not half a dozen of them stationed outside Gate 21 for the duration?
The police were all outside the ground. Only stewards on duty inside The Valley.Going by @TootingRedArmy's figures to have 6 Policemen on gate duty would have cost a LOT. The club obviously don't want to pay for Policing inside the ground and are prepared to suck up any incidents.
But taking it that we are experiencing some kind of tear in the space time continuum or a parallel universe. Why were there no police at the nearest point to Gate 21 where the club don't have to pay? It's a valid question. There were 300 of them FFS, there are two points where the Millwall fans can potentially get out and kick off. 50% of them are that gate. If the police are so determined to avoid potential flashpoints that they are prepared to inconvenience 20000 Charlton fans, why did they not deploy half a dozen of their finest to that particular bit of street?
I have never been involved in crowd control in my life, but if I had 300 employees stood around doing fuck all for a couple of hours and I had two entrances/exits to cover, I would have worked out that it might be an idea to positon a few of them at each...3 -
They probably have some sort of extortionate rate that you have to pay for the whole shift, even if they're only in the ground for half an hour. Like a call out charge!
But anyway, isn't that their bloody job in the first place, to respond to criminal incidents? For which we already pay them through our taxes.3
