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After the Millwall game - club reply to CAST p34, further CAST response p45
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This is my whole point.doronron said:
But the club seems to not want to pay for police inside the ground .Talking to other fans at the Wednesday game, a few asked why did a group of our fans go down the steps and start the trouble by goading them ,I thought it was only 2 of our fans but apparently it was about 20ElfsborgAddick said:Baldybonce said:
I suppose because the trouble at the millwall game was initiated from our side of the gate.Major said:
Totally agree. My first reaction was, 'Why are they all facing the wrong way'?Off_it said:
12 stewards - and all on the Charlton side of the fence, again. That's absolutely pathetic. Are they supposed to be looking intimidating or something? If so, to who - the old folk in the East Stand?TootingRedArmy said:
Well the wall of stewards at Gate 21 yesterday continues to grow with yellow and blue and red jackets with green jacketed superviser. Question when gate can be opened on the other side where are the stewards?
Yesterday looked like around 10 police around the control room in JS & WS corner, presume these are paid for by the club, why aren't they standing in Away end?
Question for club and police is JS stand a Police No Go zone with Millwall fans?
I'm trying to think if there are other areas parts of UK which are Police No Go zones?
where they don't go as it may agiate the public or sit and wait 4 minutes before responding?
worrying response from the police why they stood back from arresting the Millwall fans attacking Charlton fans at Gate 21, would police stand back for 4 minutes when someone is attacked in a street? bank is raided?
No one has been able to answer what 300 police actually did or where they were at Millwall game or what it cost? How many were just sat in white vans doing nothing?
I was walking down the hill yesterday before turning off to walk towards the Sam Bartrum gate @ 2.15pm, five white vans with sirens blaring came down the hill in the direction of Royal Oak, was there trouble?
This is a show of 'look we're doing something'.
The stewards in future for 'risk' games should be some either side of the gate.
Police instead of stewards would be an awful lot better.
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Yes - CHAT GPT For the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) in London, the published “Special Police Services” (SPS) hourly charge for a Constable deployed at a commercial event (such as inside a football stadium) from 1 January 2025 is approximately £97.09 per hour.ElfsborgAddick said:
This is my whole point.doronron said:
But the club seems to not want to pay for police inside the ground .Talking to other fans at the Wednesday game, a few asked why did a group of our fans go down the steps and start the trouble by goading them ,I thought it was only 2 of our fans but apparently it was about 20ElfsborgAddick said:Baldybonce said:
I suppose because the trouble at the millwall game was initiated from our side of the gate.Major said:
Totally agree. My first reaction was, 'Why are they all facing the wrong way'?Off_it said:
12 stewards - and all on the Charlton side of the fence, again. That's absolutely pathetic. Are they supposed to be looking intimidating or something? If so, to who - the old folk in the East Stand?TootingRedArmy said:
Well the wall of stewards at Gate 21 yesterday continues to grow with yellow and blue and red jackets with green jacketed superviser. Question when gate can be opened on the other side where are the stewards?
Yesterday looked like around 10 police around the control room in JS & WS corner, presume these are paid for by the club, why aren't they standing in Away end?
Question for club and police is JS stand a Police No Go zone with Millwall fans?
I'm trying to think if there are other areas parts of UK which are Police No Go zones?
where they don't go as it may agiate the public or sit and wait 4 minutes before responding?
worrying response from the police why they stood back from arresting the Millwall fans attacking Charlton fans at Gate 21, would police stand back for 4 minutes when someone is attacked in a street? bank is raided?
No one has been able to answer what 300 police actually did or where they were at Millwall game or what it cost? How many were just sat in white vans doing nothing?
I was walking down the hill yesterday before turning off to walk towards the Sam Bartrum gate @ 2.15pm, five white vans with sirens blaring came down the hill in the direction of Royal Oak, was there trouble?
This is a show of 'look we're doing something'.
The stewards in future for 'risk' games should be some either side of the gate.
Police instead of stewards would be an awful lot better.
Versus stewards on £12-14 per hour
Still whats the price of safety, at these high risk matches surely having police in Away section makes sense
is anyone closer to finding out what 300 police OUTSIDE did?3 -
BingoTootingRedArmy said:
Yes - CHAT GPT For the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) in London, the published “Special Police Services” (SPS) hourly charge for a Constable deployed at a commercial event (such as inside a football stadium) from 1 January 2025 is approximately £97.09 per hour.ElfsborgAddick said:
This is my whole point.doronron said:
But the club seems to not want to pay for police inside the ground .Talking to other fans at the Wednesday game, a few asked why did a group of our fans go down the steps and start the trouble by goading them ,I thought it was only 2 of our fans but apparently it was about 20ElfsborgAddick said:Baldybonce said:
I suppose because the trouble at the millwall game was initiated from our side of the gate.Major said:
Totally agree. My first reaction was, 'Why are they all facing the wrong way'?Off_it said:
12 stewards - and all on the Charlton side of the fence, again. That's absolutely pathetic. Are they supposed to be looking intimidating or something? If so, to who - the old folk in the East Stand?TootingRedArmy said:
Well the wall of stewards at Gate 21 yesterday continues to grow with yellow and blue and red jackets with green jacketed superviser. Question when gate can be opened on the other side where are the stewards?
Yesterday looked like around 10 police around the control room in JS & WS corner, presume these are paid for by the club, why aren't they standing in Away end?
Question for club and police is JS stand a Police No Go zone with Millwall fans?
I'm trying to think if there are other areas parts of UK which are Police No Go zones?
where they don't go as it may agiate the public or sit and wait 4 minutes before responding?
worrying response from the police why they stood back from arresting the Millwall fans attacking Charlton fans at Gate 21, would police stand back for 4 minutes when someone is attacked in a street? bank is raided?
No one has been able to answer what 300 police actually did or where they were at Millwall game or what it cost? How many were just sat in white vans doing nothing?
I was walking down the hill yesterday before turning off to walk towards the Sam Bartrum gate @ 2.15pm, five white vans with sirens blaring came down the hill in the direction of Royal Oak, was there trouble?
This is a show of 'look we're doing something'.
The stewards in future for 'risk' games should be some either side of the gate.
Police instead of stewards would be an awful lot better.
Versus stewards on £12-14 per hour
Still whats the price of safety, at these high risk matches surely having police in Away section makes sense
is anyone closer to finding out what 300 police OUTSIDE did?0 -
So on those figures it will cost around 200k at worst to have plod inside the ground.
Increase the grade A games by £5 next season to cover the outlay.0 -
IKEA ?TootingRedArmy said:
Yes - CHAT GPT For the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) in London, the published “Special Police Services” (SPS) hourly charge for a Constable deployed at a commercial event (such as inside a football stadium) from 1 January 2025 is approximately £97.09 per hour.ElfsborgAddick said:
This is my whole point.doronron said:
But the club seems to not want to pay for police inside the ground .Talking to other fans at the Wednesday game, a few asked why did a group of our fans go down the steps and start the trouble by goading them ,I thought it was only 2 of our fans but apparently it was about 20ElfsborgAddick said:Baldybonce said:
I suppose because the trouble at the millwall game was initiated from our side of the gate.Major said:
Totally agree. My first reaction was, 'Why are they all facing the wrong way'?Off_it said:
12 stewards - and all on the Charlton side of the fence, again. That's absolutely pathetic. Are they supposed to be looking intimidating or something? If so, to who - the old folk in the East Stand?TootingRedArmy said:
Well the wall of stewards at Gate 21 yesterday continues to grow with yellow and blue and red jackets with green jacketed superviser. Question when gate can be opened on the other side where are the stewards?
Yesterday looked like around 10 police around the control room in JS & WS corner, presume these are paid for by the club, why aren't they standing in Away end?
Question for club and police is JS stand a Police No Go zone with Millwall fans?
I'm trying to think if there are other areas parts of UK which are Police No Go zones?
where they don't go as it may agiate the public or sit and wait 4 minutes before responding?
worrying response from the police why they stood back from arresting the Millwall fans attacking Charlton fans at Gate 21, would police stand back for 4 minutes when someone is attacked in a street? bank is raided?
No one has been able to answer what 300 police actually did or where they were at Millwall game or what it cost? How many were just sat in white vans doing nothing?
I was walking down the hill yesterday before turning off to walk towards the Sam Bartrum gate @ 2.15pm, five white vans with sirens blaring came down the hill in the direction of Royal Oak, was there trouble?
This is a show of 'look we're doing something'.
The stewards in future for 'risk' games should be some either side of the gate.
Police instead of stewards would be an awful lot better.
Versus stewards on £12-14 per hour
Still whats the price of safety, at these high risk matches surely having police in Away section makes sense
is anyone closer to finding out what 300 police OUTSIDE did?0 -
this is just a guessimateElfsborgAddick said:So on those figures it will cost around 200k at worst to have plod inside the ground.
Increase the grade A games by £5 next season to cover the outlay.
but I would imagine you would need @15 police inside the away end of the ground ( 8hr shift? for football matches) cost @ £16,500 police + 50 stewards inside away end x 6hrs x £14 = £4200 @£21K TOTAL cost for police + stewards away end
3,000 Millwall charge them £40 per ticket (whatever EFL allows)= £120,000?
if 300 police were on this fixture , some might as well be park right behind away end in white response vans for quick deployment
this shouldn't be about cost of police but putting correct measures in place, JS is not a police no go zone
btw is alcohol served in JS stand for these high risk matches? maybe one for taps not to flow for Millwall
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We can't charge them £40 a ticket even if we wanted to unless we charge that for our fans in the Covered End lower as well.TootingRedArmy said:
this is just a guessimateElfsborgAddick said:So on those figures it will cost around 200k at worst to have plod inside the ground.
Increase the grade A games by £5 next season to cover the outlay.
but I would imagine you would need @15 police inside the away end of the ground ( 8hr shift? for football matches) cost @ £16,500 police + 50 stewards inside away end x 6hrs x £14 = £4200 @£21K TOTAL cost for police + stewards away end
3,000 Millwall charge them £40 per ticket (whatever EFL allows)= £120,000?
if 300 police were on this fixture , some might as well be park right behind away end in white response vans for quick deployment
this shouldn't be about cost of police but putting correct measures in place, JS is not a police no go zone
btw is alcohol served in JS stand for these high risk matches? maybe one for taps not to flow for Millwall0 -
MartinCAFC said:
We can't charge them £40 a ticket even if we wanted to unless we charge that for our fans in the Covered End lower as well.TootingRedArmy said:
this is just a guessimateElfsborgAddick said:So on those figures it will cost around 200k at worst to have plod inside the ground.
Increase the grade A games by £5 next season to cover the outlay.
but I would imagine you would need @15 police inside the away end of the ground ( 8hr shift? for football matches) cost @ £16,500 police + 50 stewards inside away end x 6hrs x £14 = £4200 @£21K TOTAL cost for police + stewards away end
3,000 Millwall charge them £40 per ticket (whatever EFL allows)= £120,000?
if 300 police were on this fixture , some might as well be park right behind away end in white response vans for quick deployment
this shouldn't be about cost of police but putting correct measures in place, JS is not a police no go zone
btw is alcohol served in JS stand for these high risk matches? maybe one for taps not to flow for Millwall
Yes, so when we grade the games this becomes the only one that is the most expensive. Anybody that buys a ticket for this give them a voucher for a drink to offset the extra cost.
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Forgive me if I am going over old ground (in a thread this long I suspect I am), but regarding the "Gate 21 Incident". As far as I know, other than the pitch, there are just two exits from the away end, the same way they come in and Gate 21? So with nearly 300 OB on duty, why in the name of Curbishley were there not half a dozen of them stationed outside Gate 21 for the duration?
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Cost. Simple as that.Algarveaddick said:Forgive me if I am going over old ground (in a thread this long I suspect I am), but regarding the "Gate 21 Incident". As far as I know, other than the pitch, there are just two exits from the away end, the same way they come in and Gate 21? So with nearly 300 OB on duty, why in the name of Curbishley were there not half a dozen of them stationed outside Gate 21 for the duration?
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Algarveaddick said:Forgive me if I am going over old ground (in a thread this long I suspect I am), but regarding the "Gate 21 Incident". As far as I know, other than the pitch, there are just two exits from the away end, the same way they come in and Gate 21? So with nearly 300 OB on duty, why in the name of Curbishley were there not half a dozen of them stationed outside Gate 21 for the duration?
The police were all outside the ground. Only stewards on duty inside The Valley.0 -
All 297 of them?TootingRedArmy said:
So has the Millwall fan who attacked the charlton fan (who was trying to reason with millwall fans) Arrested?
Social media showed footage of what happened and club have CCTV footage?
from minutes .....
https://www.charltonafc.com/news/supporter-forum-october-2025
EW said the club upgraded its CCTV system in the summer, so the club had shared footage with the police of those involved in the disorder. EW said some people within the stadium witnessed things that we do not wish people witness at the club’s home. He said that it is important that people feel safe at The Valley. EW said the club had been asked why police weren’t involved in the incident at Gate 21. EW said the police were in the club's control room and by the time they had finished their tea and biscuits , the need for their intervention had dissipated. EW said the police make operational decisions on whether they intervene based on experience. ME said he’d read stuff on social media about the management of the gate incident that wasn’t true.
Must be like the TARDIS in there
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