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Tyreece Campbell - June 2025 - called up for Jamaica again (p34)

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  • NabySarr said:
    Lot of TC chat on other threads but thought I’d put this in here that TC is on average carrying the ball 120m per 90 minutes of football this season. That’s what his most important contribution is to the team performance and something he does brilliantly 

    Apter has similar numbers, but I think if Bree is starting over Apter, then it is even more important that TC starts so that we have someone who is able to get us up the pitch like TC does 

    Olaofe carried the ball very well yesterday, but doing so from the bench against tired legs is a lot easier to do. Personally I doubt Olaofe would be able to do that starting a game playing 70 mins like TC is able to do 


    And yet the issue is that in terms of stats he doesn't create many good quality chances or have efforts on goal that test the opposition keeper sufficiently. 

    He is doing well, but we haven't tried anyone else on the left wing to properly compare his contributions. Apter and Bree have both done better than him in terms of output when they've both started. 

    I'm sure Olaofe is also able to carry a ball, run and pressure. We saw that yesterday. 
    Of course he is, but I’m not sure he can do it for 70minutes. That’s totally different to coming on with fresh legs. He’s also referenced being knackered in both of his post-match interviews from the last 2 games, which also suggests he might be less effective from the start 
  • TC does one thing really well at this level - taking his man off the dribble. However if it doesn’t ever result in a goal, assist or rarely even a shot on goal, does that have much value when you are a forward.  Being dangerous doesn’t win games.

    I am not ready to suggest pulling him from the starting lineup yet as it is early in the season, we are performing above expectations and he is a young player with talent adapting to a new level.  However, if the results start going the other way or he continues to struggle in the final third, Jones may have no choice but to pull him from the starting lineup.
  • fenaddick said:
    TC does one thing really well at this level - taking his man off the dribble. However if it doesn’t ever result in a goal, assist or rarely even a shot on goal, does that have much value when you are a forward.  Being dangerous doesn’t win games.

    I am not ready to suggest pulling him from the starting lineup yet as it is early in the season, we are performing above expectations and he is a young player with talent adapting to a new level.  However, if the results start going the other way or he continues to struggle in the final third, Jones may have no choice but to pull him from the starting lineup.
    It has huge defensive value as it gives us an out ball and a chance for the defence to organise after an opposition attack and rest a bit. It also buys time for players to get close, they just don’t do it enough. He put in a wicked ball across the 6 yard box that Godden and Berry would have been on the end of last season but there was no red shirt nearby so the defenders just let it fizz through 
    There no was nobody in the box for the play so why would you even attempt to cross it. That’s my point.  The lack of awareness in scoring positions.  I agree with your comment on the out ball.  I guess the question is can Tanto do similarly but also chip in with some goals/assists. Like I said, I am not saying to pull him from the starting lineup just yet but our fans seem to have a blind spot for his weaknesses
  • fenaddick said:
    TC does one thing really well at this level - taking his man off the dribble. However if it doesn’t ever result in a goal, assist or rarely even a shot on goal, does that have much value when you are a forward.  Being dangerous doesn’t win games.

    I am not ready to suggest pulling him from the starting lineup yet as it is early in the season, we are performing above expectations and he is a young player with talent adapting to a new level.  However, if the results start going the other way or he continues to struggle in the final third, Jones may have no choice but to pull him from the starting lineup.
    It has huge defensive value as it gives us an out ball and a chance for the defence to organise after an opposition attack and rest a bit. It also buys time for players to get close, they just don’t do it enough. He put in a wicked ball across the 6 yard box that Godden and Berry would have been on the end of last season but there was no red shirt nearby so the defenders just let it fizz through 
    There no was nobody in the box for the play so why would you even attempt to cross it. That’s my point.  The lack of awareness in scoring positions.  I agree with your comment on the out ball.  I guess the question is can Tanto do similarly but also chip in with some goals/assists. Like I said, I am not saying to pull him from the starting lineup just yet but our fans seem to have a blind spot for his weaknesses
    Instead of blaming TC for putting a good cross we could teach our striker to actually be where a striker should be. 
  • SELR_addicks
    edited September 28
    fenaddick said:
    TC does one thing really well at this level - taking his man off the dribble. However if it doesn’t ever result in a goal, assist or rarely even a shot on goal, does that have much value when you are a forward.  Being dangerous doesn’t win games.

    I am not ready to suggest pulling him from the starting lineup yet as it is early in the season, we are performing above expectations and he is a young player with talent adapting to a new level.  However, if the results start going the other way or he continues to struggle in the final third, Jones may have no choice but to pull him from the starting lineup.
    It has huge defensive value as it gives us an out ball and a chance for the defence to organise after an opposition attack and rest a bit. It also buys time for players to get close, they just don’t do it enough. He put in a wicked ball across the 6 yard box that Godden and Berry would have been on the end of last season but there was no red shirt nearby so the defenders just let it fizz through 
    There no was nobody in the box for the play so why would you even attempt to cross it. That’s my point.  The lack of awareness in scoring positions.  I agree with your comment on the out ball.  I guess the question is can Tanto do similarly but also chip in with some goals/assists. Like I said, I am not saying to pull him from the starting lineup just yet but our fans seem to have a blind spot for his weaknesses
    Instead of blaming TC for putting a good cross we could teach our striker to actually be where a striker should be. 
    You know players are capable of having eyes as well right? It's not a 'good cross' if there is no-one there. 

    If TC can see no one is there, there's no point crossing to nobody. Would be the same as any other misplaced pass. Instead of putting it across to nobody, look to cut it back or recycle the ball than losing it. This is TC's biggest problem. He plays on instinct without actually seeing what's going on around him. 
  • fenaddick said:
    TC does one thing really well at this level - taking his man off the dribble. However if it doesn’t ever result in a goal, assist or rarely even a shot on goal, does that have much value when you are a forward.  Being dangerous doesn’t win games.

    I am not ready to suggest pulling him from the starting lineup yet as it is early in the season, we are performing above expectations and he is a young player with talent adapting to a new level.  However, if the results start going the other way or he continues to struggle in the final third, Jones may have no choice but to pull him from the starting lineup.
    It has huge defensive value as it gives us an out ball and a chance for the defence to organise after an opposition attack and rest a bit. It also buys time for players to get close, they just don’t do it enough. He put in a wicked ball across the 6 yard box that Godden and Berry would have been on the end of last season but there was no red shirt nearby so the defenders just let it fizz through 
    There no was nobody in the box for the play so why would you even attempt to cross it. That’s my point.  The lack of awareness in scoring positions.  I agree with your comment on the out ball.  I guess the question is can Tanto do similarly but also chip in with some goals/assists. Like I said, I am not saying to pull him from the starting lineup just yet but our fans seem to have a blind spot for his weaknesses
    Instead of blaming TC for putting a good cross we could teach our striker to actually be where a striker should be. 
    You know players are capable of having eyes as well right? It's not a 'good cross' if there is no-one there. 

    If TC can see no one is there, there's no point crossing to nobody. Would be the same as any other misplaced pass. Instead of putting it across to nobody, look to cut it back or recycle the ball than losing it. This is TC's biggest problem. He plays on instinct without actually seeing what's going on around him. 
    Could Kelman be in the box more for these?
  • fenaddick said:
    TC does one thing really well at this level - taking his man off the dribble. However if it doesn’t ever result in a goal, assist or rarely even a shot on goal, does that have much value when you are a forward.  Being dangerous doesn’t win games.

    I am not ready to suggest pulling him from the starting lineup yet as it is early in the season, we are performing above expectations and he is a young player with talent adapting to a new level.  However, if the results start going the other way or he continues to struggle in the final third, Jones may have no choice but to pull him from the starting lineup.
    It has huge defensive value as it gives us an out ball and a chance for the defence to organise after an opposition attack and rest a bit. It also buys time for players to get close, they just don’t do it enough. He put in a wicked ball across the 6 yard box that Godden and Berry would have been on the end of last season but there was no red shirt nearby so the defenders just let it fizz through 
    There no was nobody in the box for the play so why would you even attempt to cross it. That’s my point.  The lack of awareness in scoring positions.  I agree with your comment on the out ball.  I guess the question is can Tanto do similarly but also chip in with some goals/assists. Like I said, I am not saying to pull him from the starting lineup just yet but our fans seem to have a blind spot for his weaknesses
    Instead of blaming TC for putting a good cross we could teach our striker to actually be where a striker should be. 
    You know players are capable of having eyes as well right? It's not a 'good cross' if there is no-one there. 

    If TC can see no one is there, there's no point crossing to nobody. Would be the same as any other misplaced pass. Instead of putting it across to nobody, look to cut it back or recycle the ball than losing it. This is TC's biggest problem. He plays on instinct without actually seeing what's going on around him. 
    So with James Bree yesterday he put one cross over the entire box but allowed Docherty to pick it up on the other touch line does that mean it was a good ball because a player was there to receive it? (Not meant as disrespect to Bree). A cross between the keeper and defence along the floor at that pace 6 yards out is a brilliant ball in if that was Godden he’s there to put that in If TC’s cross hits first man then obviously that’s a different story 
  • fenaddick said:
    TC does one thing really well at this level - taking his man off the dribble. However if it doesn’t ever result in a goal, assist or rarely even a shot on goal, does that have much value when you are a forward.  Being dangerous doesn’t win games.

    I am not ready to suggest pulling him from the starting lineup yet as it is early in the season, we are performing above expectations and he is a young player with talent adapting to a new level.  However, if the results start going the other way or he continues to struggle in the final third, Jones may have no choice but to pull him from the starting lineup.
    It has huge defensive value as it gives us an out ball and a chance for the defence to organise after an opposition attack and rest a bit. It also buys time for players to get close, they just don’t do it enough. He put in a wicked ball across the 6 yard box that Godden and Berry would have been on the end of last season but there was no red shirt nearby so the defenders just let it fizz through 
    There no was nobody in the box for the play so why would you even attempt to cross it. That’s my point.  The lack of awareness in scoring positions.  I agree with your comment on the out ball.  I guess the question is can Tanto do similarly but also chip in with some goals/assists. Like I said, I am not saying to pull him from the starting lineup just yet but our fans seem to have a blind spot for his weaknesses
    Instead of blaming TC for putting a good cross we could teach our striker to actually be where a striker should be. 
    You know players are capable of having eyes as well right? It's not a 'good cross' if there is no-one there. 

    If TC can see no one is there, there's no point crossing to nobody. Would be the same as any other misplaced pass. Instead of putting it across to nobody, look to cut it back or recycle the ball than losing it. This is TC's biggest problem. He plays on instinct without actually seeing what's going on around him. 
    Could Kelman be in the box more for these?
    Sure, but in that moment a winger should be expected to look up at the box before putting the ball across no? 
  • fenaddick said:
    TC does one thing really well at this level - taking his man off the dribble. However if it doesn’t ever result in a goal, assist or rarely even a shot on goal, does that have much value when you are a forward.  Being dangerous doesn’t win games.

    I am not ready to suggest pulling him from the starting lineup yet as it is early in the season, we are performing above expectations and he is a young player with talent adapting to a new level.  However, if the results start going the other way or he continues to struggle in the final third, Jones may have no choice but to pull him from the starting lineup.
    It has huge defensive value as it gives us an out ball and a chance for the defence to organise after an opposition attack and rest a bit. It also buys time for players to get close, they just don’t do it enough. He put in a wicked ball across the 6 yard box that Godden and Berry would have been on the end of last season but there was no red shirt nearby so the defenders just let it fizz through 
    There no was nobody in the box for the play so why would you even attempt to cross it. That’s my point.  The lack of awareness in scoring positions.  I agree with your comment on the out ball.  I guess the question is can Tanto do similarly but also chip in with some goals/assists. Like I said, I am not saying to pull him from the starting lineup just yet but our fans seem to have a blind spot for his weaknesses
    Instead of blaming TC for putting a good cross we could teach our striker to actually be where a striker should be. 
    You know players are capable of having eyes as well right? It's not a 'good cross' if there is no-one there. 

    If TC can see no one is there, there's no point crossing to nobody. Would be the same as any other misplaced pass. Instead of putting it across to nobody, look to cut it back or recycle the ball than losing it. This is TC's biggest problem. He plays on instinct without actually seeing what's going on around him. 
    Could Kelman be in the box more for these?
    Sure, but in that moment a winger should be expected to look up at the box before putting the ball across no? 
    Totally yeah no point crossing to noone, it would be good to have someone in there for them too though?
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  • fenaddick said:
    TC does one thing really well at this level - taking his man off the dribble. However if it doesn’t ever result in a goal, assist or rarely even a shot on goal, does that have much value when you are a forward.  Being dangerous doesn’t win games.

    I am not ready to suggest pulling him from the starting lineup yet as it is early in the season, we are performing above expectations and he is a young player with talent adapting to a new level.  However, if the results start going the other way or he continues to struggle in the final third, Jones may have no choice but to pull him from the starting lineup.
    It has huge defensive value as it gives us an out ball and a chance for the defence to organise after an opposition attack and rest a bit. It also buys time for players to get close, they just don’t do it enough. He put in a wicked ball across the 6 yard box that Godden and Berry would have been on the end of last season but there was no red shirt nearby so the defenders just let it fizz through 
    There no was nobody in the box for the play so why would you even attempt to cross it. That’s my point.  The lack of awareness in scoring positions.  I agree with your comment on the out ball.  I guess the question is can Tanto do similarly but also chip in with some goals/assists. Like I said, I am not saying to pull him from the starting lineup just yet but our fans seem to have a blind spot for his weaknesses
    Instead of blaming TC for putting a good cross we could teach our striker to actually be where a striker should be. 
    You know players are capable of having eyes as well right? It's not a 'good cross' if there is no-one there. 

    If TC can see no one is there, there's no point crossing to nobody. Would be the same as any other misplaced pass. Instead of putting it across to nobody, look to cut it back or recycle the ball than losing it. This is TC's biggest problem. He plays on instinct without actually seeing what's going on around him. 
    Could Kelman be in the box more for these?
    Sure, but in that moment a winger should be expected to look up at the box before putting the ball across no? 
    I’m going off memory but the only place he could go to was the byline and he had defenders around him which made the cross the only real option, it was that or give away a goal kick 
  • CAFC_boi
    edited October 2
    Latest Cawley article says that TC has taken 16 shots this season and only ONE has been on target - that is utterly woeful. 

    The one on target was a pea roller down the middle of the keeper too. 

    My mind draws to Tuesday when Kelman puts in a great ball and just needs his strike partner to tap it on and Campbell is on the floor and nowhere near it… Olaofe would have tapped it in, as he takes up those positions (see Sheff United). TC has zero striker instincts or positional sense. 

    Will come back at the 20 game mark when he still doesn’t have a league goal. 
  • felix_31 said:
    TC has started this season very well in my opinion.  Had 3 B'burn defenders on him at one point and got through all of them.  Was instrumental in our goal on Tuesday.  It's a long season and he's only going to improve. 
    Was watching the goal earlier and his pass has definitely gone under the radar. He was double marked and had Bell as an easy option but he did a riskier path and it paid off 
  • Croydon said:
    fenaddick said:
    felix_31 said:
    TC has started this season very well in my opinion.  Had 3 B'burn defenders on him at one point and got through all of them.  Was instrumental in our goal on Tuesday.  It's a long season and he's only going to improve. 
    Was watching the goal earlier and his pass has definitely gone under the radar. He was double marked and had Bell as an easy option but he did a riskier path and it paid off 
    That is an interesting take for what was a simple pass
    I'm not claiming it was a world beating bit of quality but his man was pretty much covering the angle and Carey's man wasn't far away either. Usually in that position this season our attacking player sets it back to the WB/Coventry to swing in a cross from deep. It's a different pattern of play and a more aggressive one. If the defender gets a toe on it this place would be saying "why didn't he pass to Bell?"
  • CAFC_boi said:
    Latest Cawley article says that TC has taken 16 shots this season and only ONE has been on target - that is utterly woeful. 

    The one on target was a pea roller down the middle of the keeper too. 

    My mind draws to Tuesday when Kelman puts in a great ball and just needs his strike partner to tap it on and Campbell is on the floor and nowhere near it… Olaofe would have tapped it in, as he takes up those positions (see Sheff United). TC has zero striker instincts or positional sense. 

    Will come back at the 20 game mark when he still doesn’t have a league goal. 
    Referring to TC as a strike partner doesn’t really work when he plays LW when we attack. Also everyone and their nan knows TC struggles with end product, but the fact he’s had 16 shots surely shows he’s doing something right to get involved so much and be an outlet when we go forward and it’s not 15 shots off target when a lot of those shots have been blocked, if the defender isn’t there some will go on target. I’d rather have a player with a lack of end product but gets in those positions then someone who’s clinical but is never in a position to have a shot 
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  • CAFC_boi said:
    Latest Cawley article says that TC has taken 16 shots this season and only ONE has been on target - that is utterly woeful. 

    The one on target was a pea roller down the middle of the keeper too. 

    My mind draws to Tuesday when Kelman puts in a great ball and just needs his strike partner to tap it on and Campbell is on the floor and nowhere near it… Olaofe would have tapped it in, as he takes up those positions (see Sheff United). TC has zero striker instincts or positional sense. 

    Will come back at the 20 game mark when he still doesn’t have a league goal. 
    Referring to TC as a strike partner doesn’t really work when he plays LW when we attack. Also everyone and their nan knows TC struggles with end product, but the fact he’s had 16 shots surely shows he’s doing something right to get involved so much and be an outlet when we go forward and it’s not 15 shots off target when a lot of those shots have been blocked, if the defender isn’t there some will go on target. I’d rather have a player with a lack of end product but gets in those positions then someone who’s clinical but is never in a position to have a shot 
    Surely that's on his poor decision making to be taking shots from distance when there is a clear defender (or 2) literally stood in front of him blocking the path to goal. 
  • Jamaica play a World Cup game next Saturday (or is Sunday for us?) kicking off at midnight.
  • CAFC_boi said:
    Latest Cawley article says that TC has taken 16 shots this season and only ONE has been on target - that is utterly woeful. 

    The one on target was a pea roller down the middle of the keeper too. 

    My mind draws to Tuesday when Kelman puts in a great ball and just needs his strike partner to tap it on and Campbell is on the floor and nowhere near it… Olaofe would have tapped it in, as he takes up those positions (see Sheff United). TC has zero striker instincts or positional sense. 

    Will come back at the 20 game mark when he still doesn’t have a league goal. 
    Referring to TC as a strike partner doesn’t really work when he plays LW when we attack. Also everyone and their nan knows TC struggles with end product, but the fact he’s had 16 shots surely shows he’s doing something right to get involved so much and be an outlet when we go forward and it’s not 15 shots off target when a lot of those shots have been blocked, if the defender isn’t there some will go on target. I’d rather have a player with a lack of end product but gets in those positions then someone who’s clinical but is never in a position to have a shot 
    Surely that's on his poor decision making to be taking shots from distance when there is a clear defender (or 2) literally stood in front of him blocking the path to goal. 
    If we told players not to shoot every time there was a defender in the way we would currently be sat here with another loss to Millwall. I’m not saying TC’s shooting doesn’t need to improve but a big part of Jones style is when there’s a chance opening up take it rather than passing a team to death, if you don’t shoot you don’t score simple as 
  • CAFC_boi said:
    Latest Cawley article says that TC has taken 16 shots this season and only ONE has been on target - that is utterly woeful. 

    The one on target was a pea roller down the middle of the keeper too. 

    My mind draws to Tuesday when Kelman puts in a great ball and just needs his strike partner to tap it on and Campbell is on the floor and nowhere near it… Olaofe would have tapped it in, as he takes up those positions (see Sheff United). TC has zero striker instincts or positional sense. 

    Will come back at the 20 game mark when he still doesn’t have a league goal. 
    Referring to TC as a strike partner doesn’t really work when he plays LW when we attack. Also everyone and their nan knows TC struggles with end product, but the fact he’s had 16 shots surely shows he’s doing something right to get involved so much and be an outlet when we go forward and it’s not 15 shots off target when a lot of those shots have been blocked, if the defender isn’t there some will go on target. I’d rather have a player with a lack of end product but gets in those positions then someone who’s clinical but is never in a position to have a shot 
    Surely that's on his poor decision making to be taking shots from distance when there is a clear defender (or 2) literally stood in front of him blocking the path to goal. 
    Do you think it's always a poor decision from opposition player every time one of our defenders does well with a successful block?
  • SELR_addicks
    edited October 4
    CAFC_boi said:
    Latest Cawley article says that TC has taken 16 shots this season and only ONE has been on target - that is utterly woeful. 

    The one on target was a pea roller down the middle of the keeper too. 

    My mind draws to Tuesday when Kelman puts in a great ball and just needs his strike partner to tap it on and Campbell is on the floor and nowhere near it… Olaofe would have tapped it in, as he takes up those positions (see Sheff United). TC has zero striker instincts or positional sense. 

    Will come back at the 20 game mark when he still doesn’t have a league goal. 
    Referring to TC as a strike partner doesn’t really work when he plays LW when we attack. Also everyone and their nan knows TC struggles with end product, but the fact he’s had 16 shots surely shows he’s doing something right to get involved so much and be an outlet when we go forward and it’s not 15 shots off target when a lot of those shots have been blocked, if the defender isn’t there some will go on target. I’d rather have a player with a lack of end product but gets in those positions then someone who’s clinical but is never in a position to have a shot 
    Surely that's on his poor decision making to be taking shots from distance when there is a clear defender (or 2) literally stood in front of him blocking the path to goal. 
    Do you think it's always a poor decision from opposition player every time one of our defenders does well with a successful block?
    If a defender dives in front of the shot it's a great block, or if the striker attempts a dummy but defender is able to follow/block it's good defending.

    If a defender is stood directly in front of the striker who chooses to shoot into them, it's a poor choice from the striker. 

    Campbell has a lot of the latter in his 16 shots. 
  • se9addick said:
    CAFC_boi said:
    Latest Cawley article says that TC has taken 16 shots this season and only ONE has been on target - that is utterly woeful. 

    The one on target was a pea roller down the middle of the keeper too. 

    My mind draws to Tuesday when Kelman puts in a great ball and just needs his strike partner to tap it on and Campbell is on the floor and nowhere near it… Olaofe would have tapped it in, as he takes up those positions (see Sheff United). TC has zero striker instincts or positional sense. 

    Will come back at the 20 game mark when he still doesn’t have a league goal. 
    It sounds like you’d rather be proved right than a Charlton player do well, very odd behaviour from a Charlton fan. 
    No - the opposite. I want CHARLTON to do well not just TC and I believe that TC is detrimental to Charlton’s current success as he isn’t good enough to play up front in the Championship, so someone should take his place. 

    If he proves me wrong I’ll be delighted and shocked. So far nothing to worry about - another shocker again today - no shots on target and nowhere near great delivery from Bree / Kelman for tap ins. 
  • Another poor game that will be ignored because we lost after he went off. 
  • Another poor game that will be ignored because we lost after he went off. 
    Can’t moan about Arsenal as they won so TC is getting the vitriol instead 
  • LoOkOuT said:
    He come off today and we capitulated. His biliary to peg the opposition back and draw two markers is invaluable to the way we set up. Unfortunately, he can’t play the way he plays all game, every game. 
    Capitulate is overexaggerating it quite a bit. We were second best for the entire game, and if not for a poor miss would have been 1-0 down before he was taken off.