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POST-MATCH THREAD: Sheffield Utd v Charlton Athletic: Saturday 20th September 2025 KO 15:00
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stoneroses19 said:Southbank said:mascot88 said:That first touch from Bree - that bit of quality - won us the game0
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Laddick01 said:Could we maybe get an experienced ex pro like Simon Church in to coach Tanto 1 on 1?1
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stoneroses19 said:I hadn't looked at the table in much detail, apart from knowing where we are and who are the current bottom three.Obviously we're only 6 games in, but a great feeling to see we are currently above the likes of Southampton, Ipswich (do have game in hand), Norwich, Derby, and Sheffield United. That's a lot of talent and money who have not started as well as us.A long, long way to go, yet proud of this group of players to have fitted in to Championship life so quickly, and it's clear we're only going to get better.
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oohaahmortimer said:stoneroses19 said:I hadn't looked at the table in much detail, apart from knowing where we are and who are the current bottom three.Obviously we're only 6 games in, but a great feeling to see we are currently above the likes of Southampton, Ipswich (do have game in hand), Norwich, Derby, and Sheffield United. That's a lot of talent and money who have not started as well as us.A long, long way to go, yet proud of this group of players to have fitted in to Championship life so quickly, and it's clear we're only going to get better.
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No outstanding teams in the Championship based on the evidence of the early games. If we continue being as solid defensively we should stay up comfortably- can't see us scoring many.0
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EveshamAddick said:Oggy Red said:peterreeves said:It's clear to me and a few other lifers that Kelman has the ability but the service to him is absolutely dire.
Just running at teams with TC feeding off scraps must be soul destroying for the lad. In six league games his average playing time is only an hour!
I really hope that Charlie gets some support perhaps from Knibbs if Carey gets pulled otherwise I'm dumbstruck as to why Nathan ever bought him.
And Kelman having good movement and being a poacher, there's always the chance of him nicking a goal from a loose ball in the box.
Just my tuppence worth
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I think there’s a danger that Kelman falls into the Alfie May situation where he’s not the “team” player that Jones demands. Probably a learning curve for him to become the new Godden but there’s no doubt that Kelman has so far disappointed.0
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ShootersHillGuru said:I think there’s a danger that Kelman falls into the Alfie May situation where he’s not the “team” player that Jones demands. Probably a learning curve for him to become the new Godden but there’s no doubt that Kelman has so far disappointed.
But the team are creating so few chances and Kelman has barely had a clear cut opportunity.
He proved at Orient last season he could finish. But he was then getting a regular supply of chances created for him to convert. No striker scores much without a service.
Also the way NJ sets up the team and the constant pressing role he demands of Kelman.
He works hard with good movement, and decent touch.
Give him time.
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ShootersHillGuru said:I think there’s a danger that Kelman falls into the Alfie May situation where he’s not the “team” player that Jones demands. Probably a learning curve for him to become the new Godden but there’s no doubt that Kelman has so far disappointed.10
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ShootersHillGuru said:oohaahmortimer said:stoneroses19 said:I hadn't looked at the table in much detail, apart from knowing where we are and who are the current bottom three.Obviously we're only 6 games in, but a great feeling to see we are currently above the likes of Southampton, Ipswich (do have game in hand), Norwich, Derby, and Sheffield United. That's a lot of talent and money who have not started as well as us.A long, long way to go, yet proud of this group of players to have fitted in to Championship life so quickly, and it's clear we're only going to get better.
21st I'd take right here and now2 - Sponsored links:
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NabySarr said:ShootersHillGuru said:oohaahmortimer said:stoneroses19 said:I hadn't looked at the table in much detail, apart from knowing where we are and who are the current bottom three.Obviously we're only 6 games in, but a great feeling to see we are currently above the likes of Southampton, Ipswich (do have game in hand), Norwich, Derby, and Sheffield United. That's a lot of talent and money who have not started as well as us.A long, long way to go, yet proud of this group of players to have fitted in to Championship life so quickly, and it's clear we're only going to get better.
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ShootersHillGuru said:I think there’s a danger that Kelman falls into the Alfie May situation where he’s not the “team” player that Jones demands. Probably a learning curve for him to become the new Godden but there’s no doubt that Kelman has so far disappointed.0
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Southbank said:ShootersHillGuru said:I think there’s a danger that Kelman falls into the Alfie May situation where he’s not the “team” player that Jones demands. Probably a learning curve for him to become the new Godden but there’s no doubt that Kelman has so far disappointed.Looking at the stats, it’s a bit easier from the bench (though Leaburn has also started games) but Leaburn has actually won the ball back in the final third per 90 minutes more than any other championship striker this season. I also remember in Leaburns breakthrough season this was a strength of his. Kelman is yet to win the ball back in the final third once
Maybe it’s Leaburn’s fitness or just that Jones prefers the impact he can make from the bench, but I’m honestly surprised Kelman is still starting when Leaburn offered a lot more in his starts. Kelman just isn’t doing anywhere near enough to impact the game6 -
NabySarr said:Southbank said:Leaburn has actually won the ball back in the final third per 90 minutes more than any other championship striker this season.
Kelman is yet to win the ball back in the final third once
I’m honestly surprised Kelman is still starting when Leaburn offered a lot more in his starts.
There are two reasons why Kelman may still be starting.
1) Leaburn is still building his fitness and stamina and they are being ultra careful with him this time after previous misjudgments.
2) The management paid a lot of money for Kelman and are desperately hoping he will suddenly find some form, otherwise they will have a lot of egg on their faces.
I would emphasise that I think Kelman is a good player. But he needs the right system and playmates to function.
QPR rated him as an individual but found he did not fit their system.
Leyton Orient got the best out of him by pairing him with Donley. We do not have a Donley or anyone like him.
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wolfgang said:NabySarr said:Southbank said:ShootersHillGuru said:I think there’s a danger that Kelman falls into the Alfie May situation where he’s not the “team” player that Jones demands. Probably a learning curve for him to become the new Godden but there’s no doubt that Kelman has so far disappointed.Looking at the stats, it’s a bit easier from the bench (though Leaburn has also started games) but Leaburn has actually won the ball back in the final third per 90 minutes more than any other championship striker this season. I also remember in Leaburns breakthrough season this was a strength of his. Kelman is yet to win the ball back in the final third once
Maybe it’s Leaburn’s fitness or just that Jones prefers the impact he can make from the bench, but I’m honestly surprised Kelman is still starting when Leaburn offered a lot more in his starts. Kelman just isn’t doing anywhere near enough to impact the game12 -
soapy_jones said:TheHerminator said:paulsturgess said:
edited with even better image. huge gaping goal to aim at to GKs right, or the roof of the net, but that's going straight at the keepers body. that's not where you should be aiming for!!
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2121 said:Arent strikers taught to aim between the legs and low on oneon ones? Finish was perfect0
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Southbank said:ShootersHillGuru said:I think there’s a danger that Kelman falls into the Alfie May situation where he’s not the “team” player that Jones demands. Probably a learning curve for him to become the new Godden but there’s no doubt that Kelman has so far disappointed.10
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wolfgang said:NabySarr said:Southbank said:Leaburn has actually won the ball back in the final third per 90 minutes more than any other championship striker this season.
Kelman is yet to win the ball back in the final third once
I’m honestly surprised Kelman is still starting when Leaburn offered a lot more in his starts.
There are two reasons why Kelman may still be starting.
1) Leaburn is still building his fitness and stamina and they are being ultra careful with him this time after previous misjudgments.
2) The management paid a lot of money for Kelman and are desperately hoping he will suddenly find some form, otherwise they will have a lot of egg on their faces.
I would emphasise that I think Kelman is a good player. But he needs the right system and playmates to function.
QPR rated him as an individual but found he did not fit their system.
Leyton Orient got the best out of him by pairing him with Donley. We do not have a Donley or anyone like him.It’s obvious from watching the games but in basically every stat Leaburn is amongst the best strikers in the championship and Kelman is amongst the worst. Neither have scored yet but I’d rather have on the pitch for longer the guy that’s winning duels and aerial duels, winning the ball back high up the pitch, dribbling better, getting more touches,
more passes, winning more fouls and having more shots. Kelman is doing none of these things, there’s been some ok link up play against Millwall but he’s basically a passenger in this team at the moment. Maybe he will have more joy from the bench when the game has opened up moreIf his performances don’t improve I could see him struggling to get minutes once Godden returns and if everyone else stays fit1 -
ShootersHillGuru said:I think there’s a danger that Kelman falls into the Alfie May situation where he’s not the “team” player that Jones demands. Probably a learning curve for him to become the new Godden but there’s no doubt that Kelman has so far disappointed.7
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cabbles said:ShootersHillGuru said:I think there’s a danger that Kelman falls into the Alfie May situation where he’s not the “team” player that Jones demands. Probably a learning curve for him to become the new Godden but there’s no doubt that Kelman has so far disappointed.
It’s obviously still early days and plenty of time tturn it around. But it’s definitely been disappointing
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Raith_C_Chattonell said:This is the sort of bloke who you could leave on the phone while you go off to have dinner and find that he's still talking when you come back.
Hind legs, donkey don't come close.https://youtu.be/MT85_3Plt_4
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fenaddick said:wolfgang said:NabySarr said:Southbank said:ShootersHillGuru said:I think there’s a danger that Kelman falls into the Alfie May situation where he’s not the “team” player that Jones demands. Probably a learning curve for him to become the new Godden but there’s no doubt that Kelman has so far disappointed.Looking at the stats, it’s a bit easier from the bench (though Leaburn has also started games) but Leaburn has actually won the ball back in the final third per 90 minutes more than any other championship striker this season. I also remember in Leaburns breakthrough season this was a strength of his. Kelman is yet to win the ball back in the final third once
Maybe it’s Leaburn’s fitness or just that Jones prefers the impact he can make from the bench, but I’m honestly surprised Kelman is still starting when Leaburn offered a lot more in his starts. Kelman just isn’t doing anywhere near enough to impact the game
Watch how Ramsay, and sometimes Jones, allow the opponent to approach them and challenge for the ball, because they are confident they can shrug them off and have better angles for passing or clearing.1 -
wolfgang said:fenaddick said:wolfgang said:NabySarr said:Southbank said:ShootersHillGuru said:I think there’s a danger that Kelman falls into the Alfie May situation where he’s not the “team” player that Jones demands. Probably a learning curve for him to become the new Godden but there’s no doubt that Kelman has so far disappointed.Looking at the stats, it’s a bit easier from the bench (though Leaburn has also started games) but Leaburn has actually won the ball back in the final third per 90 minutes more than any other championship striker this season. I also remember in Leaburns breakthrough season this was a strength of his. Kelman is yet to win the ball back in the final third once
Maybe it’s Leaburn’s fitness or just that Jones prefers the impact he can make from the bench, but I’m honestly surprised Kelman is still starting when Leaburn offered a lot more in his starts. Kelman just isn’t doing anywhere near enough to impact the game
Watch how Ramsay, and sometimes Jones, allow the opponent to approach them and challenge for the ball, because they are confident they can shrug them off and have better angles for passing or clearing.
For good pressing you don’t even need to always actually reach the defender in possession anyway. Really you’re forcing them into mistakes on the ball, usually a misplaced pass or causing them to panic and lose footing. Strikers who press AND put in physical challenges usually just give away soft free kicks0 -
wolfgang said:NabySarr said:Southbank said:Leaburn has actually won the ball back in the final third per 90 minutes more than any other championship striker this season.
Kelman is yet to win the ball back in the final third once
I’m honestly surprised Kelman is still starting when Leaburn offered a lot more in his starts.
There are two reasons why Kelman may still be starting.
1) Leaburn is still building his fitness and stamina and they are being ultra careful with him this time after previous misjudgments.
2) The management paid a lot of money for Kelman and are desperately hoping he will suddenly find some form, otherwise they will have a lot of egg on their faces.
I would emphasise that I think Kelman is a good player. But he needs the right system and playmates to function.
QPR rated him as an individual but found he did not fit their system.
Leyton Orient got the best out of him by pairing him with Donley. We do not have a Donley or anyone like him.2 -
NabySarr said:wolfgang said:NabySarr said:Southbank said:Leaburn has actually won the ball back in the final third per 90 minutes more than any other championship striker this season.
Kelman is yet to win the ball back in the final third once
I’m honestly surprised Kelman is still starting when Leaburn offered a lot more in his starts.
There are two reasons why Kelman may still be starting.
1) Leaburn is still building his fitness and stamina and they are being ultra careful with him this time after previous misjudgments.
2) The management paid a lot of money for Kelman and are desperately hoping he will suddenly find some form, otherwise they will have a lot of egg on their faces.
I would emphasise that I think Kelman is a good player. But he needs the right system and playmates to function.
QPR rated him as an individual but found he did not fit their system.
Leyton Orient got the best out of him by pairing him with Donley. We do not have a Donley or anyone like him.It’s obvious from watching the games but in basically every stat Leaburn is amongst the best strikers in the championship and Kelman is amongst the worst. Neither have scored yet but I’d rather have on the pitch for longer the guy that’s winning duels and aerial duels, winning the ball back high up the pitch, dribbling better, getting more touches,
more passes, winning more fouls and having more shots. Kelman is doing none of these things, there’s been some ok link up play against Millwall but he’s basically a passenger in this team at the moment. Maybe he will have more joy from the bench when the game has opened up moreIf his performances don’t improve I could see him struggling to get minutes once Godden returns and if everyone else stays fit
Hopefully he will get a break soon start scoring and push on. Way too early to write him off.
There is no doubt in my mind that had Godden been fit he would have started the season, with Kelman brought up to speed gradually from the bench.
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Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:NabySarr said:wolfgang said:NabySarr said:Southbank said:Leaburn has actually won the ball back in the final third per 90 minutes more than any other championship striker this season.
Kelman is yet to win the ball back in the final third once
I’m honestly surprised Kelman is still starting when Leaburn offered a lot more in his starts.
There are two reasons why Kelman may still be starting.
1) Leaburn is still building his fitness and stamina and they are being ultra careful with him this time after previous misjudgments.
2) The management paid a lot of money for Kelman and are desperately hoping he will suddenly find some form, otherwise they will have a lot of egg on their faces.
I would emphasise that I think Kelman is a good player. But he needs the right system and playmates to function.
QPR rated him as an individual but found he did not fit their system.
Leyton Orient got the best out of him by pairing him with Donley. We do not have a Donley or anyone like him.It’s obvious from watching the games but in basically every stat Leaburn is amongst the best strikers in the championship and Kelman is amongst the worst. Neither have scored yet but I’d rather have on the pitch for longer the guy that’s winning duels and aerial duels, winning the ball back high up the pitch, dribbling better, getting more touches,
more passes, winning more fouls and having more shots. Kelman is doing none of these things, there’s been some ok link up play against Millwall but he’s basically a passenger in this team at the moment. Maybe he will have more joy from the bench when the game has opened up moreIf his performances don’t improve I could see him struggling to get minutes once Godden returns and if everyone else stays fit
Hopefully he will get a break soon start scoring and push on. Way too early to write him off.
There is no doubt in my mind that had Godden been fit he would have started the season, with Kelman brought up to speed gradually from the bench.
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cabbles said:ShootersHillGuru said:I think there’s a danger that Kelman falls into the Alfie May situation where he’s not the “team” player that Jones demands. Probably a learning curve for him to become the new Godden but there’s no doubt that Kelman has so far disappointed.0
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I still can’t believe Patrick Bauer didn’t score with his first header in the 2019 final. Not good enough and doesn’t feel like a win that he had to pounce on a loose ball afterwards. Still embarrassed by it really.19
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It will come. Both Kelman and Leaburn have extremely high ceilings. I don't think we need to over think it.13