That first touch from Bree - that bit of quality - won us the game
Followed by the inch perfect cross, which none of our other wing backs seem capable of, sadly. I would keep him in the side for that reason.
It was a perfect cross. Think that's harsh on Apter though, he's put in some brilliant crosses so far this season, which those in the box have not made the most of.
Edwards would have had an assist too had Leaburn scored when he hit the bar.
Could we maybe get an experienced ex pro like Simon Church in to coach Tanto 1 on 1?
I have to be honest and say Churchies movement and the way he dropped off off defenders was first class, it was why he found himself with so many chances but then oh dear no eye for goal.
I hadn't looked at the table in much detail, apart from knowing where we are and who are the current bottom three.
Obviously we're only 6 games in, but a great feeling to see we are currently above the likes of Southampton, Ipswich (do have game in hand), Norwich, Derby, and Sheffield United. That's a lot of talent and money who have not started as well as us.
A long, long way to go, yet proud of this group of players to have fitted in to Championship life so quickly, and it's clear we're only going to get better.
when i see them below (being a pessimist) i think well most if not all of them will finish the season above us so in a fake hope position . 21st I'd take right here and now
I hadn't looked at the table in much detail, apart from knowing where we are and who are the current bottom three.
Obviously we're only 6 games in, but a great feeling to see we are currently above the likes of Southampton, Ipswich (do have game in hand), Norwich, Derby, and Sheffield United. That's a lot of talent and money who have not started as well as us.
A long, long way to go, yet proud of this group of players to have fitted in to Championship life so quickly, and it's clear we're only going to get better.
when i see them below (being a pessimist) i think well most if not all of them will finish the season above us so in a fake hope position . 21st I'd take right here and now
Sheff United have Oxford up next in a game that is already a marker for what’s going on at the bottom. I think Wilder will steer them comfortably to safety. Sheff Wednesday don’t look like they will be as certain for relegation as some have thought they would be, unless there’s a points deduction coming their way. We can’t rely on that.
No outstanding teams in the Championship based on the evidence of the early games. If we continue being as solid defensively we should stay up comfortably- can't see us scoring many.
I think there’s a danger that Kelman falls into the Alfie May situation where he’s not the “team” player that Jones demands. Probably a learning curve for him to become the new Godden but there’s no doubt that Kelman has so far disappointed.
I think there’s a danger that Kelman falls into the Alfie May situation where he’s not the “team” player that Jones demands. Probably a learning curve for him to become the new Godden but there’s no doubt that Kelman has so far disappointed.
He's only disappointed really in the context of not yet scoring?
But the team are creating so few chances and Kelman has barely had a clear cut opportunity.
He proved at Orient last season he could finish. But he was then getting a regular supply of chances created for him to convert. No striker scores much without a service.
Also the way NJ sets up the team and the constant pressing role he demands of Kelman.
He works hard with good movement, and decent touch. Give him time.
I think there’s a danger that Kelman falls into the Alfie May situation where he’s not the “team” player that Jones demands. Probably a learning curve for him to become the new Godden but there’s no doubt that Kelman has so far disappointed.
No chance of that, he is doing more and more of what NJ wants as he gets used to the system. We haven't seen any of the strops we saw at the end of May's time here. Kelman seems willing to be a bit of a sponge and soak in what NJ wants him to do and he's slowly getting there
I hadn't looked at the table in much detail, apart from knowing where we are and who are the current bottom three.
Obviously we're only 6 games in, but a great feeling to see we are currently above the likes of Southampton, Ipswich (do have game in hand), Norwich, Derby, and Sheffield United. That's a lot of talent and money who have not started as well as us.
A long, long way to go, yet proud of this group of players to have fitted in to Championship life so quickly, and it's clear we're only going to get better.
when i see them below (being a pessimist) i think well most if not all of them will finish the season above us so in a fake hope position . 21st I'd take right here and now
Sheff United have Oxford up next in a game that is already a marker for what’s going on at the bottom. I think Wilder will steer them comfortably to safety. Sheff Wednesday don’t look like they will be as certain for relegation as some have thought they would be, unless there’s a points deduction coming their way. We can’t rely on that.
Sheff Weds have literally zero squad depth, this period of the season is probably where they will be strongest but once the games and injuries start stacking up they will struggle
I hadn't looked at the table in much detail, apart from knowing where we are and who are the current bottom three.
Obviously we're only 6 games in, but a great feeling to see we are currently above the likes of Southampton, Ipswich (do have game in hand), Norwich, Derby, and Sheffield United. That's a lot of talent and money who have not started as well as us.
A long, long way to go, yet proud of this group of players to have fitted in to Championship life so quickly, and it's clear we're only going to get better.
when i see them below (being a pessimist) i think well most if not all of them will finish the season above us so in a fake hope position . 21st I'd take right here and now
Sheff United have Oxford up next in a game that is already a marker for what’s going on at the bottom. I think Wilder will steer them comfortably to safety. Sheff Wednesday don’t look like they will be as certain for relegation as some have thought they would be, unless there’s a points deduction coming their way. We can’t rely on that.
Sheff Weds have literally zero squad depth, this period of the season is probably where they will be strongest but once the games and injuries start stacking up they will struggle
If Bannan gets a long term injury, that could be their hopes of staying up done for.
I think there’s a danger that Kelman falls into the Alfie May situation where he’s not the “team” player that Jones demands. Probably a learning curve for him to become the new Godden but there’s no doubt that Kelman has so far disappointed.
Actually think that Leaburn is the one who may fall into that category. Kelman is pressing at the front really well. Eventually that will pay off in goals. Miles is not a presser. He may work as a finisher but I doubt he will start many games, the way NJ sets the team up.
I think there’s a danger that Kelman falls into the Alfie May situation where he’s not the “team” player that Jones demands. Probably a learning curve for him to become the new Godden but there’s no doubt that Kelman has so far disappointed.
Actually think that Leaburn is the one who may fall into that category. Kelman is pressing at the front really well. Eventually that will pay off in goals. Miles is not a presser. He may work as a finisher but I doubt he will start many games, the way NJ sets the team up.
I’d disagree with that, Leaburn is pretty good pressing from the front.
Looking at the stats, it’s a bit easier from the bench (though Leaburn has also started games) but Leaburn has actually won the ball back in the final third per 90 minutes more than any other championship striker this season. I also remember in Leaburns breakthrough season this was a strength of his. Kelman is yet to win the ball back in the final third once
Maybe it’s Leaburn’s fitness or just that Jones prefers the impact he can make from the bench, but I’m honestly surprised Kelman is still starting when Leaburn offered a lot more in his starts. Kelman just isn’t doing anywhere near enough to impact the game
I’d disagree with that, Leaburn is pretty good pressing from the front.
Leaburn has actually won the ball back in the final third per 90 minutes more than any other championship striker this season.
Kelman is yet to win the ball back in the final third once
I’m honestly surprised Kelman is still starting when Leaburn offered a lot more in his starts.
If Kelman tries to press a big defender he will just swat him off like a gnat. Different matter if you have 6'7" Leaburn pressing you.
There are two reasons why Kelman may still be starting.
1) Leaburn is still building his fitness and stamina and they are being ultra careful with him this time after previous misjudgments.
2) The management paid a lot of money for Kelman and are desperately hoping he will suddenly find some form, otherwise they will have a lot of egg on their faces.
I would emphasise that I think Kelman is a good player. But he needs the right system and playmates to function.
QPR rated him as an individual but found he did not fit their system.
Leyton Orient got the best out of him by pairing him with Donley. We do not have a Donley or anyone like him.
I think there’s a danger that Kelman falls into the Alfie May situation where he’s not the “team” player that Jones demands. Probably a learning curve for him to become the new Godden but there’s no doubt that Kelman has so far disappointed.
Actually think that Leaburn is the one who may fall into that category. Kelman is pressing at the front really well. Eventually that will pay off in goals. Miles is not a presser. He may work as a finisher but I doubt he will start many games, the way NJ sets the team up.
I’d disagree with that, Leaburn is pretty good pressing from the front.
Looking at the stats, it’s a bit easier from the bench (though Leaburn has also started games) but Leaburn has actually won the ball back in the final third per 90 minutes more than any other championship striker this season. I also remember in Leaburns breakthrough season this was a strength of his. Kelman is yet to win the ball back in the final third once
Maybe it’s Leaburn’s fitness or just that Jones prefers the impact he can make from the bench, but I’m honestly surprised Kelman is still starting when Leaburn offered a lot more in his starts. Kelman just isn’t doing anywhere near enough to impact the game
If Kelman tries to press a big defender he will just swat him off like a gnat. Different matter if you have 6'7" Leaburn pressing you.
That isn't how pressing works, it isn't about physical battles at all
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21st I'd take right here and now
And Kelman having good movement and being a poacher, there's always the chance of him nicking a goal from a loose ball in the box.
Just my tuppence worth
But the team are creating so few chances and Kelman has barely had a clear cut opportunity.
He proved at Orient last season he could finish. But he was then getting a regular supply of chances created for him to convert. No striker scores much without a service.
Also the way NJ sets up the team and the constant pressing role he demands of Kelman.
He works hard with good movement, and decent touch.
Give him time.
Maybe it’s Leaburn’s fitness or just that Jones prefers the impact he can make from the bench, but I’m honestly surprised Kelman is still starting when Leaburn offered a lot more in his starts. Kelman just isn’t doing anywhere near enough to impact the game
There are two reasons why Kelman may still be starting.
1) Leaburn is still building his fitness and stamina and they are being ultra careful with him this time after previous misjudgments.
2) The management paid a lot of money for Kelman and are desperately hoping he will suddenly find some form, otherwise they will have a lot of egg on their faces.
I would emphasise that I think Kelman is a good player. But he needs the right system and playmates to function.
QPR rated him as an individual but found he did not fit their system.
Leyton Orient got the best out of him by pairing him with Donley. We do not have a Donley or anyone like him.