I'm still pissed off that my 85 year old dad, who walks with a stick, had to march such a long way back to the station after the game. He's in better shape than most (for his age) but he was absolutely shattered by the time he made it round that detour. Elderly fans or those with mobility issues aren't going to provoke any trouble if they take the direct route so what's the point in treating them like that?
The Ransom Walk shortcut was specifically in mind for people like your dad, unfortunately on the day it wasn't communicated properly and those in charge at the alley were acting the prick anyway
Thanks for the info. At least I'll know for next time.
1 The club are to blame for not having enough police inside the ground.
2 The police told Charlton regards the security arrangements outside and we had no say in the matter.
3 If the spanners were kept in after the game hopefully things would have gone smoothly for Charlton fans exiting the ground and making their way home etc.
At the end of the day, it amazes me. In any other walk of life 98% of posters on this thread wouldn't put up with this shit. Because its football they do. Vote with your feet , if we play they Millwall next season don't bother to go. Even if the club put out a statement tomorrow saying this won't happen again, it will do and the fans will put up with it again. At the end of the day we are the only club in this country who hold back their own fans to accommodate the away fans. Total f@cking b@llocks.
It seems that the Police were aggressive towards the Charlton fans blocking them from their usual route home especially those on horseback….had they done that to Millwall it would have kicked off….Cowards….keep them in the ground
can you please point me to anywhere in that where it addresses the main thing that charlton fans are pissed off about - i.e that we are held back / re routed rather than them? - the nearest u get is asking if its new policy - absolutely pathetic - u should be making it abundantly clear that we are furious that this has happened again and there is no way we are putting up with it next season - talk about missing the point - absolute failure -and i respect people who give up their time for good causes etc etc but that gives me zero hope that cast will stop this happening again - u will roll over and have your bellies tickled and will allow the police to do the same to the club - a woeful attempt - i'm happy to help get the real point across if u need help
Ahead of kick-off at Crystal Palace, millwallfc.co.uk releases the following information to ensure Lions supporters' visit goes as smoothly as possible...
Post-match, Millwall fans will exit the stadium and will be held temporarily outside the away turnstiles to allow home fans to disperse from the local area. Updates will be provided via a PA system on a regular basis to ensure regular communication is provided.
Well, we all knew that would be the case but it's excellent to have that there in writing.
Perhaps @valleynick66 would like to explain if he still thinks "... with hindsight and having the opportunity to reflect, the decision by the police to not hold back Millwall could still be argued by the police to be reasonable.
There is some logic in trying to remove 3k quickly given the perceived risk of adverse reaction by them if kept waiting."
Maybe you are not reading what I wrote and instead assuming I’m saying something else?
To repeat I’m observing the police can argue their logic has some merit. That is all.
I’m not saying it’s right or that I support it but simply saying they can defend it. What they and the club can’t defend is its execution/implementation.
The comparison to Palace isn’t particularly relevant particularly as they likely get held back at many grounds.
The police logic may be the greater ‘localness’ to us and our relative lack of hooliganism means a direct comparison is not the whole story. That’s my speculation of how they could justify it.
I don’t really understand your dig. I’m forecasting the outcome of any review the club and police may make.
It is a dig. No apologies from me for that. And I am "digging" that you seek to present a 'reasonable' point of view on behalf of the police which is based on arguments already debunked here, thus potentially reducing the support from fans for those in the fanbase prepared to challenge "the authorities".
You wrote:
"There is some logic in trying to remove 3k quickly given the perceived risk of adverse reaction by them if kept waiting." That risk perception is only valid if there was a record of Millwall fans routinely smashing up other grounds simply after being held back. Nobody has presented such a record, least of all you, the general perception is that they are routinely held, as are fans of Leeds, Pompey, anyone else with any track record of chippiness. They are being held back at Palace tomorrow, albeit outside the stand.
You wrote:
I’m assuming in the absence of any reports to the contrary there were no noteworthy skirmishes between the 2 sets of fans excepting the Sam Bartram gate incursion. On that basis I’d guess the police can claim it was the right call. If Millwall were held back as is normal police practice there would not be any noteworthy skirmishes either, because it takes two to have a skirmish, all the Charlton fans would have gone. That is why holding back away fans is normal practice.
The worst thing for me about your post is that you suggest there is "safety merit" in their inane plan. You ignore the photos posted here showing the fans exiting the West, and the numerous reports of the frightening chaos in Harvey Gardens, and the professional assessment of these situations from a Lifer with relevant professional experience (@Fortune 82nd Minute). There is no "safety merit" in a plan which introduces potentially life-threatening crushes which would not happen on normal matchdays and therefore have not been planned for.
As I said. but you wish to ignore, I’m simply suggesting how the police can / could argue their decision. And I presume likely will should this matter ever get a formal review.
It’s not a completely silly idea from them without any merit whatsoever. Surely you can accept that even though none of us much like it and can counter the rationale. As I also said you need to separate poor execution / implementation from the plan / proposal.
If we take your view that the idea has no merit whatsoever then why did it get imposed? Are you suggesting it’s because the police are Millwall supporters and wanted to score a cheap win over us ?
What is your conclusion on how it came to be and was unable to be countered by the other parties on the relevant meeting/commitee if without any foundation at all ? - I assume the club and council contribute.
Again I’m not a fan of the decision but I can take a step back and see why/how they may have reached the conclusion they did.
Even if the outcome is a commitment that it won’t be repeated I’d not hold my breath it won’t be based on the fact it’s the second time now.
Of course lessons to be learned all around.
Of course I don't believe anything as inane as you write there. My best guess is that they imposed it because it is the most operationally convenient for them. Occam's razor, some might say. They also knew that they could do this at Charlton because they know we are relatively compliant as a fanbase. Do you think they would have dared do that for the West Ham-Millwall fixture at Upton Park?
My conclusion, since you ask is based on what I was told at the match by a fan with excellent contacts, which you've already read. The Club tabled various sensible scenarios all of which the police rejected. In the past, led by Mick Everett the club had managed to head off more draconian police solutions through adult discussions. On this occasion they were completely over-ruled and at a very late stage told this was how it's gonna be. I'm not sure but I think the suggestion is that there was a new face high up on the police side.
The only way to make sure that this doesn't happen again is to kick up a hell of a stink about it. I understand that a lot of people really don't fancy facing up to the police in any way, so the burden for kicking up a stink falls on those of us who are lucky enough to be educated, articulate, without any entry on a police database, and able to compare practice from other relevant situations. Obviously even then it's best done via an organised group. But the police certainly don't need your help in pretending in advance that this was a 'safety -led' decision which produced the best possible outcome. Tell that to the fans at Lansdowne Mews whose kids now have lasting memories of the wrong kind, those stuck on the West staircases, or the chaos in Harvey Gardens. Do you know that there are otherwise mentally strong people who suffer from a fear of crowds in confined places? I'm married to one. And of course even for those who don't suffer that phobia, everyone over the age of 30 has one word at the back of their minds. Hillsborough. (and the 20 year aftermath of police cover-up and worse).
valleynick is talking shite but your response is not only condescending but that nonsense wrote to the club by the trust earlier is clearly lacking in the education and articulation skills that are actually needed here - it misses the main point fans are concerned about
can you please point me to anywhere in that where it addresses the main thing that charlton fans are pissed off about - i.e that we are held back / re routed rather than them? - the nearest u get is asking if its new policy - absolutely pathetic - u should be making it abundantly clear that we are furious that this has happened again and there is no way we are putting up with it next season - talk about missing the point - absolute failure -and i respect people who give up their time for good causes etc etc but that gives me zero hope that cast will stop this happening again - u will roll over and have your bellies tickled and will allow the police to do the same to the club - a woeful attempt - i'm happy to help get the real point across if u need help
I look forward to you getting your big balls out and telling the police and club what for.
can you please point me to anywhere in that where it addresses the main thing that charlton fans are pissed off about - i.e that we are held back / re routed rather than them? - the nearest u get is asking if its new policy - absolutely pathetic - u should be making it abundantly clear that we are furious that this has happened again and there is no way we are putting up with it next season - talk about missing the point - absolute failure -and i respect people who give up their time for good causes etc etc but that gives me zero hope that cast will stop this happening again - u will roll over and have your bellies tickled and will allow the police to do the same to the club - a woeful attempt - i'm happy to help get the real point across if u need help
I look forward to you getting your big balls out and telling the police and club what for.
Honest to god…
i'd be happy to - do u not think that communication misses the main point? i.e why are we the only ground / fixture where this happens? where's the questioning, the request for explanation?
can you please point me to anywhere in that where it addresses the main thing that charlton fans are pissed off about - i.e that we are held back / re routed rather than them? - the nearest u get is asking if its new policy - absolutely pathetic - u should be making it abundantly clear that we are furious that this has happened again and there is no way we are putting up with it next season - talk about missing the point - absolute failure -and i respect people who give up their time for good causes etc etc but that gives me zero hope that cast will stop this happening again - u will roll over and have your bellies tickled and will allow the police to do the same to the club - a woeful attempt - i'm happy to help get the real point across if u need help
I look forward to you getting your big balls out and telling the police and club what for.
Honest to god…
i'd be happy to - do u not think that communication misses the main point? i.e why are we the only ground / fixture where this happens? where's the questioning, the request for explanation?
This bit?
Issues outside the stadium which we believe are matters for the police
No information as to why away fans were not held back – is it now
generally policy to clear the away fans quickly from the area? If so,
this should be clearly communicated
So presumably they're going to be asking the police those questions.
says it all in roys_football_bank213 insta " A Millwall Fan BOLDLY celebrating among the Charlton fans" What is the club policy when the Stewards take out Away fans out of the Home stands? what happened to these two Millwall fans ejected from West Stand? Surely Q1: Did the stewards & police find out how these Millwall "fans" got their tickets? & were they ejected from the ground?
can you please point me to anywhere in that where it addresses the main thing that charlton fans are pissed off about - i.e that we are held back / re routed rather than them? - the nearest u get is asking if its new policy - absolutely pathetic - u should be making it abundantly clear that we are furious that this has happened again and there is no way we are putting up with it next season - talk about missing the point - absolute failure -and i respect people who give up their time for good causes etc etc but that gives me zero hope that cast will stop this happening again - u will roll over and have your bellies tickled and will allow the police to do the same to the club - a woeful attempt - i'm happy to help get the real point across if u need help
Agreed CAST response is poor & inadequate...feels like a cut and paste from this thread on Charlton Life, even the photo chosen for CAST's statement is all wrong.....surely CAST role is to put forward supporters views which in this case are universally furious about how we the Home fans were treated & worse attacked inside the stadium because of poor stewarding & policing (covered in this thread.) Very disappointing.
can you please point me to anywhere in that where it addresses the main thing that charlton fans are pissed off about - i.e that we are held back / re routed rather than them? - the nearest u get is asking if its new policy - absolutely pathetic - u should be making it abundantly clear that we are furious that this has happened again and there is no way we are putting up with it next season - talk about missing the point - absolute failure -and i respect people who give up their time for good causes etc etc but that gives me zero hope that cast will stop this happening again - u will roll over and have your bellies tickled and will allow the police to do the same to the club - a woeful attempt - i'm happy to help get the real point across if u need help
Agreed CAST response is poor & inadequate...feels like a cut and paste from this thread on Charlton Life, even the photo chosen for CAST's statement is all wrong.....surely CAST role is to put forward supporters views which in this case are universally furious about how we the Home fans were treated & worse attacked inside the stadium because of poor stewarding & policing (covered in this thread.) Very disappointing.
Oh how we love a soap box. CAST is poor and inadequate. So these volunteers have nothing more to do in their lives than sit behind their keyboards eagerly awaiting the chance to immediately respond to your needs and wants?
You don't think there needs to be some investigation? Communication with all parties including the police, etc.
can you please point me to anywhere in that where it addresses the main thing that charlton fans are pissed off about - i.e that we are held back / re routed rather than them? - the nearest u get is asking if its new policy - absolutely pathetic - u should be making it abundantly clear that we are furious that this has happened again and there is no way we are putting up with it next season - talk about missing the point - absolute failure -and i respect people who give up their time for good causes etc etc but that gives me zero hope that cast will stop this happening again - u will roll over and have your bellies tickled and will allow the police to do the same to the club - a woeful attempt - i'm happy to help get the real point across if u need help
Agreed CAST response is poor & inadequate...feels like a cut and paste from this thread on Charlton Life, even the photo chosen for CAST's statement is all wrong.....surely CAST role is to put forward supporters views which in this case are universally furious about how we the Home fans were treated & worse attacked inside the stadium because of poor stewarding & policing (covered in this thread.) Very disappointing.
Oh how we love a soap box. CAST is poor and inadequate. So these volunteers have nothing more to do in their lives than sit behind their keyboards eagerly awaiting the chance to immediately respond to your needs and wants?
You don't think there needs to be some investigation? Communication with all parties including the police, etc.
Oh never mind. You obviously don't have a clue.
I said CAST RESPONSE was poor and inadequate. Charlton life's forum is for us fans to express our opions and CAST role is to represent us the fans. You don't know who else I have contacted about what has happened? I have volunteered for multiple organisations, I know its largely a thankless task but CAST role is to articulate the views of Charlton fans. I haven't read anywhere that any fan thinks our club, police or stewards got it right and maybe i have been more vocal as I got caught up in Millwall fans attacking Charlton fans in the East Stand walkway & stairwells after the gate was forced. I of course think and hope the club are investagating the whole debacle with the police and stewards etc but a stronger piece of communication would help us the fans from CAST. Likewise i can't understand why our clubs comm's dept have said zero !
can you please point me to anywhere in that where it addresses the main thing that charlton fans are pissed off about - i.e that we are held back / re routed rather than them? - the nearest u get is asking if its new policy - absolutely pathetic - u should be making it abundantly clear that we are furious that this has happened again and there is no way we are putting up with it next season - talk about missing the point - absolute failure -and i respect people who give up their time for good causes etc etc but that gives me zero hope that cast will stop this happening again - u will roll over and have your bellies tickled and will allow the police to do the same to the club - a woeful attempt - i'm happy to help get the real point across if u need help
Agreed CAST response is poor & inadequate...feels like a cut and paste from this thread on Charlton Life, even the photo chosen for CAST's statement is all wrong.....surely CAST role is to put forward supporters views which in this case are universally furious about how we the Home fans were treated & worse attacked inside the stadium because of poor stewarding & policing (covered in this thread.) Very disappointing.
I think you’ (and some others) are being grossly unfair. They prepared and sent a letter to the club on Monday, the only ones it seems in the whole fan engagement pyramid structure to acknowledge or take forward anything. They’ve put the concerns on the table for the club and by doing so means the situation can’t just be dropped. The minutiae of their letter doesn’t really need scrutiny.
If Charlton fans had been let out before the spanners and had been in a local pub, there's a good chance a bunch of scum would've gone looking for any Charlton fans still in the vicinity. Don't really know what the answer is but the OB need to up their game next time.
They went to the ROD anyway. The answer is hold them in AND filter them to the station after
And give them the minimum ticket allowance permitted. Treat them like the scum they are.
The main gripe that fans have regarding the Millwall game is that it was Charlton fans that were massively inconvenienced while the Millwall fans were allowed to leave as normal and make their way to the station.
There are 92 clubs across the top 4 divisions in England and as far as I'm aware we are the only club not to hold away fans back if there's a chance of trouble. The question you should have asked is that in future can we, the Charlton fans be allowed to leave as normal and that Millwall fans be held back for 30 minutes.
The main gripe that fans have regarding the Millwall game is that it was Charlton fans that were massively inconvenienced while the Millwall fans were allowed to leave as normal and make their way to the station.
There are 92 clubs across the top 4 divisions in England and as far as I'm aware we are the only club not to hold away fans back if there's a chance of trouble. The question you should have asked is that in future can we, the Charlton fans be allowed to leave as normal and that Millwall fans be held back for 30 minutes.
The question of holding them back is one for the Met which I have no doubt the Trust will pick up in time.
What is the most pressing issue is why the club failed to communicate with its own supporters at any time about this, and now up to 4 days after the event
can you please point me to anywhere in that where it addresses the main thing that charlton fans are pissed off about - i.e that we are held back / re routed rather than them? - the nearest u get is asking if its new policy - absolutely pathetic - u should be making it abundantly clear that we are furious that this has happened again and there is no way we are putting up with it next season - talk about missing the point - absolute failure -and i respect people who give up their time for good causes etc etc but that gives me zero hope that cast will stop this happening again - u will roll over and have your bellies tickled and will allow the police to do the same to the club - a woeful attempt - i'm happy to help get the real point across if u need help
I look forward to you getting your big balls out and telling the police and club what for.
Honest to god…
i'd be happy to - do u not think that communication misses the main point? i.e why are we the only ground / fixture where this happens? where's the questioning, the request for explanation?
This bit?
Issues outside the stadium which we believe are matters for the police
No information as to why away fans were not held back – is it now
generally policy to clear the away fans quickly from the area? If so,
this should be clearly communicated
So presumably they're going to be asking the police those questions.
Where’s the bit about why we were effectively held back ? Told to walk the long way or encouraged to stay in the stadium - amounts to the same thing / the only fixture in the country this happens - kinda missed that key bit out didn’t you ?
The main gripe that fans have regarding the Millwall game is that it was Charlton fans that were massively inconvenienced while the Millwall fans were allowed to leave as normal and make their way to the station.
There are 92 clubs across the top 4 divisions in England and as far as I'm aware we are the only club not to hold away fans back if there's a chance of trouble. The question you should have asked is that in future can we, the Charlton fans be allowed to leave as normal and that Millwall fans be held back for 30 minutes.
The question of holding them back is one for the Met which I have no doubt the Trust will pick up in time.
What is the most pressing issue is why the club failed to communicate with its own supporters at any time about this, and now up to 4 days after the event
No - to ensure it doesn’t happen again, it’s a question for the club and the police - they clearly need to be told what to ask the police if we are the only club in the country to be held in in our own ground - we have time to convince both the club and police but not if cast miss the key point
can you please point me to anywhere in that where it addresses the main thing that charlton fans are pissed off about - i.e that we are held back / re routed rather than them? - the nearest u get is asking if its new policy - absolutely pathetic - u should be making it abundantly clear that we are furious that this has happened again and there is no way we are putting up with it next season - talk about missing the point - absolute failure -and i respect people who give up their time for good causes etc etc but that gives me zero hope that cast will stop this happening again - u will roll over and have your bellies tickled and will allow the police to do the same to the club - a woeful attempt - i'm happy to help get the real point across if u need help
Agreed CAST response is poor & inadequate...feels like a cut and paste from this thread on Charlton Life, even the photo chosen for CAST's statement is all wrong.....surely CAST role is to put forward supporters views which in this case are universally furious about how we the Home fans were treated & worse attacked inside the stadium because of poor stewarding & policing (covered in this thread.) Very disappointing.
I think you’ (and some others) are being grossly unfair. They prepared and sent a letter to the club on Monday, the only ones it seems in the whole fan engagement pyramid structure to acknowledge or take forward anything. They’ve put the concerns on the table for the club and by doing so means the situation can’t just be dropped. The minutiae of their letter doesn’t really need scrutiny.
Do u not think they’ve missed the main point afka? Be honest - isn’t the main thing about ensuring we don’t get held in / made to walk the long way next time ? It’s a local derby - skirmishes will inevitably happen but no other club in the country has this kind of thing put on them rather than the away team - do u not want cast to ensure this doesn’t happen again by asking the right questions ?
can you please point me to anywhere in that where it addresses the main thing that charlton fans are pissed off about - i.e that we are held back / re routed rather than them? - the nearest u get is asking if its new policy - absolutely pathetic - u should be making it abundantly clear that we are furious that this has happened again and there is no way we are putting up with it next season - talk about missing the point - absolute failure -and i respect people who give up their time for good causes etc etc but that gives me zero hope that cast will stop this happening again - u will roll over and have your bellies tickled and will allow the police to do the same to the club - a woeful attempt - i'm happy to help get the real point across if u need help
Agreed CAST response is poor & inadequate...feels like a cut and paste from this thread on Charlton Life, even the photo chosen for CAST's statement is all wrong.....surely CAST role is to put forward supporters views which in this case are universally furious about how we the Home fans were treated & worse attacked inside the stadium because of poor stewarding & policing (covered in this thread.) Very disappointing.
I think you’ (and some others) are being grossly unfair. They prepared and sent a letter to the club on Monday, the only ones it seems in the whole fan engagement pyramid structure to acknowledge or take forward anything. They’ve put the concerns on the table for the club and by doing so means the situation can’t just be dropped. The minutiae of their letter doesn’t really need scrutiny.
Do u not think they’ve missed the main point afka? Be honest - isn’t the main thing about ensuring we don’t get held in / made to walk the long way next time ? It’s a local derby - skirmishes will inevitably happen but no other club in the country has this kind of thing put on them rather than the away team - do u not want cast to ensure this doesn’t happen again by asking the right questions ?
Those questions are for the police to answer as it was their operational decision, not the club's. Just a reality check - the police will not obey CAST's, the Club's, or indeed your or any other fan's orders but they can be called to respond to concerns and to justify their decision making and operational tactics.
Looks like Palace fans were treated in the same way last night.
CAST letter to police which focuses much more specifically on the decision to reroute our fans and not hold away fans back is being sent today and the content will be added to the CAST website.
can you please point me to anywhere in that where it addresses the main thing that charlton fans are pissed off about - i.e that we are held back / re routed rather than them? - the nearest u get is asking if its new policy - absolutely pathetic - u should be making it abundantly clear that we are furious that this has happened again and there is no way we are putting up with it next season - talk about missing the point - absolute failure -and i respect people who give up their time for good causes etc etc but that gives me zero hope that cast will stop this happening again - u will roll over and have your bellies tickled and will allow the police to do the same to the club - a woeful attempt - i'm happy to help get the real point across if u need help
I look forward to you getting your big balls out and telling the police and club what for.
Honest to god…
i'd be happy to - do u not think that communication misses the main point? i.e why are we the only ground / fixture where this happens? where's the questioning, the request for explanation?
This bit?
Issues outside the stadium which we believe are matters for the police
No information as to why away fans were not held back – is it now
generally policy to clear the away fans quickly from the area? If so,
this should be clearly communicated
So presumably they're going to be asking the police those questions.
Where’s the bit about why we were effectively held back ? Told to walk the long way or encouraged to stay in the stadium - amounts to the same thing / the only fixture in the country this happens - kinda missed that key bit out didn’t you ?
That's implicit in the question about why Millwall weren't held back, and is one for the coppers.
can you please point me to anywhere in that where it addresses the main thing that charlton fans are pissed off about - i.e that we are held back / re routed rather than them? - the nearest u get is asking if its new policy - absolutely pathetic - u should be making it abundantly clear that we are furious that this has happened again and there is no way we are putting up with it next season - talk about missing the point - absolute failure -and i respect people who give up their time for good causes etc etc but that gives me zero hope that cast will stop this happening again - u will roll over and have your bellies tickled and will allow the police to do the same to the club - a woeful attempt - i'm happy to help get the real point across if u need help
I look forward to you getting your big balls out and telling the police and club what for.
Honest to god…
i'd be happy to - do u not think that communication misses the main point? i.e why are we the only ground / fixture where this happens? where's the questioning, the request for explanation?
It clearly says in the letter: We will also be writing to the police. That was their decision!
So I am sure they will be raising it then! Everyone that is upset about what happened is doing their bit. Some great tweets directly to the Greenwich police So Please put your complaints into them also.. the more the better.
Four days after the game and still nothing from the football club
This should have been nipped in the bud as soon as possible
The longer that they remain silent over this matter the worse they look
Mistakes happen. Sometimes you have to put your hands up and own it (Lack of proper communication to your fans, executive boxes and corporate with Millwall in them, inadequate stewarding inside the ground)
It can’t be all positive news that comes out of the club.
The trust have put a response in over 24 hours ago and still we wait a comeback from the senior management at the club
The answers i want are Once the decision by the Met was made to not hold back away fans/ reroute home fans, why the club did not relay this information to fans in a clear coherent manner via the website, via email, over the 'Tannoy' & on the big screen.
Why was there not sufficient numbers of stewards/ police in areas of the ground where they were required.
Why people volunteer for roles in ' fan engagement' & then do precisely the opposite when any problem arises.
Why the club website has seemed to have turned into some kind of advertising site rather than providing everyday information what some supporters might find useful.
And finally why the the club has still not communicated/ apologised to the fans for the disruption on Saturday.
I exited the Lansdowne mews exit straight after the game,at this time,there was a group of Millwall fans congregating around the gate,but had not opened it,surely someone in the control tower must have seen what was about to happen.I just cannot comprehend someone watching this and leaving 2 young stewards in grave danger of injury.There where loads of police watching the game from the control box area(nice bit of overtime),but seemed to evaporate when needed.
Seen quite a bit on twitter that it ended up being a total farce for Palace-Millwall last night. A summary of the shambles:
Millwall allowed to leave first. Millwall fans made to go to the station even if they'd driven and parked in other directions. Palace fans directed the long way to Norwood Junction which was shut for home fans for about 40 minutes. Almost all roads around the ground closed so no one could get to anywhere they actually needed to go. Finally allowed Palace fans through........but before all Millwall had left so it kicked off anyway.
When will the fucking idiot police in charge realise that the best plan is to just keep Millwall fans behind for 30 minutes. It's really not difficult.
Seen quite a bit on twitter that it ended up being a total farce for Palace-Millwall last night. A summary of the shambles:
Millwall allowed to leave first. Millwall fans made to go to the station even if they'd driven and parked in other directions. Palace fans directed the long way to Norwood Junction which was shut for home fans for about 40 minutes. Almost all roads around the ground closed so no one could get to anywhere they actually needed to go. Finally allowed Palace fans through........but before all Millwall had left so it kicked off anyway.
When will the fucking idiot police in charge realise that the best plan is to just keep Millwall fans behind for 30 minutes. It's really not difficult.
And all of this happened last minute as the message sent out to Millwall fans on Monday was that they'll be held behind the stand after the game.
There's 2 common denominators here, and it's one of the football teams involved, and the Police.
Seen quite a bit on twitter that it ended up being a total farce for Palace-Millwall last night. A summary of the shambles:
Millwall allowed to leave first. Millwall fans made to go to the station even if they'd driven and parked in other directions. Palace fans directed the long way to Norwood Junction which was shut for home fans for about 40 minutes. Almost all roads around the ground closed so no one could get to anywhere they actually needed to go. Finally allowed Palace fans through........but before all Millwall had left so it kicked off anyway.
When will the fucking idiot police in charge realise that the best plan is to just keep Millwall fans behind for 30 minutes. It's really not difficult.
Totally agree keep Millwall behind till all the streets are clear, 30-60 mins then re-deploy the police to escort them to the train station. Millwall reliesh there reputation " No One Likes Us We Don't Care", their behaviour and hooliganism means they should be incovenienced, not Home fans! Charlton fans will be kept behind @ The Den for the return fixture and marshalled down the tunnel onto the station.
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In any other walk of life 98% of posters on this thread wouldn't put up with this shit.
Because its football they do.
Vote with your feet , if we play they Millwall next season don't bother to go.
Even if the club put out a statement tomorrow saying this won't happen again, it will do and the fans will put up with it again.
At the end of the day we are the only club in this country who hold back their own fans to accommodate the away fans.
Total f@cking b@llocks.
Issues outside the stadium which we believe are matters for the police
So presumably they're going to be asking the police those questions.
What is the club policy when the Stewards take out Away fans out of the Home stands?
what happened to these two Millwall fans ejected from West Stand?
Surely Q1: Did the stewards & police find out how these Millwall "fans" got their tickets?
& were they ejected from the ground?
You don't think there needs to be some investigation? Communication with all parties including the police, etc.
Oh never mind. You obviously don't have a clue.
I haven't read anywhere that any fan thinks our club, police or stewards got it right and maybe i have been more vocal as I got caught up in Millwall fans attacking Charlton fans in the East Stand walkway & stairwells after the gate was forced. I of course think and hope the club are investagating the whole debacle with the police and stewards etc but a stronger piece of communication would help us the fans from CAST. Likewise i can't understand why our clubs comm's dept have said zero !
There are 92 clubs across the top 4 divisions in England and as far as I'm aware we are the only club not to hold away fans back if there's a chance of trouble.
The question you should have asked is that in future can we, the Charlton fans be allowed to leave as normal and that Millwall fans be held back for 30 minutes.
What is the most pressing issue is why the club failed to communicate with its own supporters at any time about this, and now up to 4 days after the event
Those questions are for the police to answer as it was their operational decision, not the club's. Just a reality check - the police will not obey CAST's, the Club's, or indeed your or any other fan's orders but they can be called to respond to concerns and to justify their decision making and operational tactics.
So I am sure they will be raising it then! Everyone that is upset about what happened is doing their bit. Some great tweets directly to the Greenwich police So Please put your complaints into them also.. the more the better.
Once the decision by the Met was made to not hold back away fans/ reroute home fans, why the club did not relay this information to fans in a clear coherent manner via the website, via email, over the 'Tannoy' & on the big screen.
Why was there not sufficient numbers of stewards/ police in areas of the ground where they were required.
Why people volunteer for roles in ' fan engagement' & then do precisely the opposite when any problem arises.
Why the club website has seemed to have turned into some kind of advertising site rather than providing everyday information what some supporters might find useful.
And finally why the the club has still not communicated/ apologised to the fans for the disruption on Saturday.
Millwall allowed to leave first.
Millwall fans made to go to the station even if they'd driven and parked in other directions.
Palace fans directed the long way to Norwood Junction which was shut for home fans for about 40 minutes.
Almost all roads around the ground closed so no one could get to anywhere they actually needed to go.
Finally allowed Palace fans through........but before all Millwall had left so it kicked off anyway.
When will the fucking idiot police in charge realise that the best plan is to just keep Millwall fans behind for 30 minutes. It's really not difficult.
There's 2 common denominators here, and it's one of the football teams involved, and the Police.
Charlton fans will be kept behind @ The Den for the return fixture and marshalled down the tunnel onto the station.