In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
There was a tannoy announcement about it
At least one of the announcers is on this forum, perhaps he can confirm if & when there was an announcement or has he also taken the same vow of silence as the Communications team, Board of directors, Fans advocates & Advisory board.
There was 100% an announcement at full time I could hear it leaving the front of the Covered Upper, we left pretty much at the full time whistle with the announcement maybe 2-3 mins after the game finished.
The club sent countless posts on insta before this match hyping it as every notch went up from 20K to 23K, 10am Fan zone opening etc......Yet nothing on post match arrangements on website, insta, email etc as for an announcement where was it on the Big screen before, during, after the match....There was an PA announcement but i could hardly hear it in ES..... Club have had nearly 48hrs to address what happened on Saturday.....if it were a new player, kit, corporate event we would all hear about it multiple times....
Posting the 'plan your trip' msg at 8am on Saturday morning was a piss take, that's literally the only non ticket buying communication that went out over the last week.
In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
There was a tannoy announcement about it
At least one of the announcers is on this forum, perhaps he can confirm if & when there was an announcement or has he also taken the same vow of silence as the Communications team, Board of directors, Fans advocates & Advisory board.
There was 100% an announcement at full time I could hear it leaving the front of the Covered Upper, we left pretty much at the full time whistle with the announcement maybe 2-3 mins after the game finished.
The club sent countless posts on insta before this match hyping it as every notch went up from 20K to 23K, 10am Fan zone opening etc......Yet nothing on post match arrangements on website, insta, email etc as for an announcement where was it on the Big screen before, during, after the match....There was an PA announcement but i could hardly hear it in ES..... Club have had nearly 48hrs to address what happened on Saturday.....if it were a new player, kit, corporate event we would all hear about it multiple times....
It'll be a load of old waffle when/if they do announce anything.
In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
There was a tannoy announcement about it
At least one of the announcers is on this forum, perhaps he can confirm if & when there was an announcement or has he also taken the same vow of silence as the Communications team, Board of directors, Fans advocates & Advisory board.
There was 100% an announcement at full time I could hear it leaving the front of the Covered Upper, we left pretty much at the full time whistle with the announcement maybe 2-3 mins after the game finished.
The club sent countless posts on insta before this match hyping it as every notch went up from 20K to 23K, 10am Fan zone opening etc......Yet nothing on post match arrangements on website, insta, email etc as for an announcement where was it on the Big screen before, during, after the match....There was an PA announcement but i could hardly hear it in ES..... Club have had nearly 48hrs to address what happened on Saturday.....if it were a new player, kit, corporate event we would all hear about it multiple times....
Think we're on the same page regarding everything that's poor around our club's communication with its fans, dear friend....
For a start, attach some boarding to the gates so the fans can’t see each other, that would stop the goading between them.
My son has a set routine where we go 4 or 5 places at half time every game. We walk first to the memorial garden, then to by that gate to look back down onto the pitch.
We’ve done this every Saturday home game for about 7 years.
On our side you have a few people that visit the memorial garden to pay their respects, and a handful of others by the bottom of the stairs having a sly fag. It’s the furthest point away from the concourse so you are deliberately taking yourselves away from the stand.
On the other side, hardly any away fans, even with a full away end, ever go near that gate area. Only ever for a sly fag or to make a quiet phone call.
There’s only one or sometimes two very junior young stewards positioned there. And they usually looked bored senseless (don’t blame them).
There is never any interaction at all there between opposing fans (friendly or aggressive).
On Saturday it was the first time I’ve ever seen opposing fans up against it. At half time I was only by there a minute or two and through the fence from the away side were a few blokes in the 60s growling, trying to make eye contact, get a response etc. others kept coming over to survey the scene but all they could see were a few norms, OAPs having a fag, chatting and completely oblivious to them. Had there been any form of gob or interaction back from the Charlton side, what happened at full time would have quickly escalated and happened at half time. And probably been a hundred times worse because once they all piled through there would have been a packed concourse with hundreds instead of half a dozen stragglers leaving via a little used exit.
Blame the police for a lot of the hassle on the day, but the clubs management was extremely poor. They knew if there were to be any in-game flashpoints it would have been through their fans securing tickets in the AC or West Stands (would never happen in the Covered End). Despite the higher crowd and risk potential, there didn’t seem to be a single extra steward in the AC stand on Saturday than there was when we played L1 midweek games with less than 1k in the stand. There wasn’t a single one of the escalation (bully boy) steward group positioned there nor police, just the usual ones whose role is basically telling people where their seats are or reminding visitors you can’t drink beer in pints. None of them are geared up to deal with any trouble.
I hope the couple of young stewards that took some real aggro isolated on their own by that gate are ok, they were badly let down on Saturday.
In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
There was a tannoy announcement about it
At least one of the announcers is on this forum, perhaps he can confirm if & when there was an announcement or has he also taken the same vow of silence as the Communications team, Board of directors, Fans advocates & Advisory board.
There was 100% an announcement at full time I could hear it leaving the front of the Covered Upper, we left pretty much at the full time whistle with the announcement maybe 2-3 mins after the game finished.
Fair enough, I left dead on FT seconds after final whistle so if there was one it was after that. I appreciate that was my choice and I knew the situation beforehand but still not what used to happen. Announcements were made before final whistle.
Either way, communication was lacking. We can agree that.
punch landing on the fan reasoning with Millwall to not attack fans.......
What an absolute dick head and coward.
Enough evidence for the police to at least try and track him down.
I doff my cap to this Charlton fan. Takes some bottle to stand there in order to at least try and protect those more vulnerable. The Club should recognise his bravery with a spot of lunch on a match day.
In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
There was a tannoy announcement about it
At least one of the announcers is on this forum, perhaps he can confirm if & when there was an announcement or has he also taken the same vow of silence as the Communications team, Board of directors, Fans advocates & Advisory board.
There was 100% an announcement at full time I could hear it leaving the front of the Covered Upper, we left pretty much at the full time whistle with the announcement maybe 2-3 mins after the game finished.
Fair enough, I left dead on FT seconds after final whistle so if there was one it was after that. I appreciate that was my choice and I knew the situation beforehand but still not what used to happen. Announcements were made before final whistle.
Either way, communication was lacking. We can agree that.
It probably took me 10 or 15 minutes to get out of the ground from the back of the CE upper and I heard nothing. I'm not saying that there wasn't an announcement, just that I didn't hear one. The PA system in the CE is shocking. With that in mind I think that announcements should have been made before, during and after the game to increase the chance of people actually hearing it. How about putting up signs near the turnstiles or having people with loud-hailers outside the turnstiles getting the message across. It was clear when I walked out into Harvey Gardens that so many people had no idea which way to go, as people were trying to go both ways and with the shear numbers that made the matter worse. Things only got even worse when I reached Charlton Lane and found cars being allowed to mingle with the thousands of pedestrians. I was pleased to go across to Coxmount Road and not to continue with the masses travelling towards the level crossing. It must have been horrendous with that many people turning left on the pavements towards the station.
In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
There was a tannoy announcement about it
At least one of the announcers is on this forum, perhaps he can confirm if & when there was an announcement or has he also taken the same vow of silence as the Communications team, Board of directors, Fans advocates & Advisory board.
There was 100% an announcement at full time I could hear it leaving the front of the Covered Upper, we left pretty much at the full time whistle with the announcement maybe 2-3 mins after the game finished.
Fair enough, I left dead on FT seconds after final whistle so if there was one it was after that. I appreciate that was my choice and I knew the situation beforehand but still not what used to happen. Announcements were made before final whistle.
Either way, communication was lacking. We can agree that.
It probably took me 10 or 15 minutes to get out of the ground from the back of the CE upper and I heard nothing. I'm not saying that there wasn't an announcement, just that I didn't hear one. The PA system in the CE is shocking. With that in mind I think that announcements should have been made before, during and after the game to increase the chance of people actually hearing it. How about putting up signs near the turnstiles or having people with loud-hailers outside the turnstiles getting the message across. It was clear when I walked out into Harvey Gardens that so many people had no idea which way to go, as people were trying to go both ways and with the shear numbers that made the matter worse. Things only got even worse when I reached Charlton Lane and found cars being allowed to mingle with the thousands of pedestrians. I was pleased to go across to Coxmount Road and not to continue with the masses travelling towards the level crossing. It must have been horrendous with that many people turning left on the pavements towards the station.
I left right on the final whistle from the upper north, there was an announcement as I was heading onto the concourse. But to be honest, with all noise, it would’ve been easier to mishear what was said.
punch landing on the fan reasoning with Millwall to not attack fans.......
What an absolute dick head and coward.
Enough evidence for the police to at least try and track him down.
I doff my cap to this Charlton fan. Takes some bottle to stand there in order to at least try and protect those more vulnerable. The Club should recognise his bravery with a spot of lunch on a match day.
He’d have to be braver than that to eat what they serve up at the Valley for lunch !!
In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
There was a tannoy announcement about it
At least one of the announcers is on this forum, perhaps he can confirm if & when there was an announcement or has he also taken the same vow of silence as the Communications team, Board of directors, Fans advocates & Advisory board.
There was 100% an announcement at full time I could hear it leaving the front of the Covered Upper, we left pretty much at the full time whistle with the announcement maybe 2-3 mins after the game finished.
The club sent countless posts on insta before this match hyping it as every notch went up from 20K to 23K, 10am Fan zone opening etc......Yet nothing on post match arrangements on website, insta, email etc as for an announcement where was it on the Big screen before, during, after the match....There was an PA announcement but i could hardly hear it in ES..... Club have had nearly 48hrs to address what happened on Saturday.....if it were a new player, kit, corporate event we would all hear about it multiple times....
We appear to have a vow of silence on this matter from the club and the supporters representatives/groups as it stands and that includes the lengthy email that would have been all of their inboxes by late yesterday afternoon
I thought at least one of those three would have said something by now
In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
There was a tannoy announcement about it
At least one of the announcers is on this forum, perhaps he can confirm if & when there was an announcement or has he also taken the same vow of silence as the Communications team, Board of directors, Fans advocates & Advisory board.
There was 100% an announcement at full time I could hear it leaving the front of the Covered Upper, we left pretty much at the full time whistle with the announcement maybe 2-3 mins after the game finished.
The club sent countless posts on insta before this match hyping it as every notch went up from 20K to 23K, 10am Fan zone opening etc......Yet nothing on post match arrangements on website, insta, email etc as for an announcement where was it on the Big screen before, during, after the match....There was an PA announcement but i could hardly hear it in ES..... Club have had nearly 48hrs to address what happened on Saturday.....if it were a new player, kit, corporate event we would all hear about it multiple times....
We appear to have a vow of silence on this matter from the club and the supporters representatives/groups as it stands and that includes the lengthy email that would have been all of their inboxes by late yesterday afternoon
I thought at least one of those three would have said something by now
Ahead of kick-off at Crystal Palace, millwallfc.co.uk releases the following information to ensure Lions supporters' visit goes as smoothly as possible...
Post-match, Millwall fans will exit the stadium and will be held temporarily outside the away turnstiles to allow home fans to disperse from the local area. Updates will be provided via a PA system on a regular basis to ensure regular communication is provided.
There was defo an announcement but it was very short and quick. Think it was straight after the final whistle.
I heard an announcement in the AC stand along the lines, 'Just a reminder to Charlton fans that Floyd Road is closed'. I thought it was short and sweet and not exactly a reminder to those hearing it for the first time.
So I took a video from the west stand must have been just after matey hit him and you can see the Charlton fan shove him away and then a Millwall fan (fair play) comes up the stairs and gets a few digs in on the Millwall fan who then has a little dig at the Good Samaritan scum fan. then another pond life tries to throw same Charlton fan down the stairs but he’s pretty solid and the old snide goes back down the stairs .
Ahead of kick-off at Crystal Palace, millwallfc.co.uk releases the following information to ensure Lions supporters' visit goes as smoothly as possible...
Post-match, Millwall fans will exit the stadium and will be held temporarily outside the away turnstiles to allow home fans to disperse from the local area. Updates will be provided via a PA system on a regular basis to ensure regular communication is provided.
Well, we all knew that would be the case but it's excellent to have that there in writing.
Perhaps @valleynick66 would like to explain if he still thinks "... with hindsight and having the opportunity to reflect, the decision by the police to not hold back Millwall could still be argued by the police to be reasonable.
There is some logic in trying to remove 3k quickly given the perceived risk of adverse reaction by them if kept waiting."
Ahead of kick-off at Crystal Palace, millwallfc.co.uk releases the following information to ensure Lions supporters' visit goes as smoothly as possible...
Post-match, Millwall fans will exit the stadium and will be held temporarily outside the away turnstiles to allow home fans to disperse from the local area. Updates will be provided via a PA system on a regular basis to ensure regular communication is provided.
Well, we all knew that would be the case but it's excellent to have that there in writing.
Perhaps @valleynick66 would like to explain if he still thinks "... with hindsight and having the opportunity to reflect, the decision by the police to not hold back Millwall could still be argued by the police to be reasonable.
There is some logic in trying to remove 3k quickly given the perceived risk of adverse reaction by them if kept waiting."
Maybe you are not reading what I wrote and instead assuming I’m saying something else?
To repeat I’m observing the police can argue their logic has some merit. That is all.
I’m not saying it’s right or that I support it but simply saying they can defend it. What they and the club can’t defend is its execution/implementation.
The comparison to Palace isn’t particularly relevant particularly as they likely get held back at many grounds.
The police logic may be the greater ‘localness’ to us and our relative lack of hooliganism means a direct comparison is not the whole story. That’s my speculation of how they could justify it.
I don’t really understand your dig. I’m forecasting the outcome of any review the club and police may make.
Ahead of kick-off at Crystal Palace, millwallfc.co.uk releases the following information to ensure Lions supporters' visit goes as smoothly as possible...
Post-match, Millwall fans will exit the stadium and will be held temporarily outside the away turnstiles to allow home fans to disperse from the local area. Updates will be provided via a PA system on a regular basis to ensure regular communication is provided.
Well, we all knew that would be the case but it's excellent to have that there in writing.
Perhaps @valleynick66 would like to explain if he still thinks "... with hindsight and having the opportunity to reflect, the decision by the police to not hold back Millwall could still be argued by the police to be reasonable.
There is some logic in trying to remove 3k quickly given the perceived risk of adverse reaction by them if kept waiting."
Maybe you are not reading what I wrote and instead assuming I’m saying something else?
To repeat I’m observing the police can argue their logic has some merit. That is all.
I’m not saying it’s right or that I support it but simply saying they can defend it. What they and the club can’t defend is its execution/implementation.
The comparison to Palace isn’t particularly relevant particularly as they likely get held back at many grounds.
They would be held back in 90 grounds, the only where they wouldn’t would be the rusty toolbox and The Valley. Saturday wasn’t the first time it’s happened in SE7, so you can’t use what was happening up town as a reason. Greenwich police have made the call on both occasions and are the only force to do so in the country. On both occasions, it’s been a mess.
Ahead of kick-off at Crystal Palace, millwallfc.co.uk releases the following information to ensure Lions supporters' visit goes as smoothly as possible...
Post-match, Millwall fans will exit the stadium and will be held temporarily outside the away turnstiles to allow home fans to disperse from the local area. Updates will be provided via a PA system on a regular basis to ensure regular communication is provided.
Well, we all knew that would be the case but it's excellent to have that there in writing.
Perhaps @valleynick66 would like to explain if he still thinks "... with hindsight and having the opportunity to reflect, the decision by the police to not hold back Millwall could still be argued by the police to be reasonable.
There is some logic in trying to remove 3k quickly given the perceived risk of adverse reaction by them if kept waiting."
Maybe you are not reading what I wrote and instead assuming I’m saying something else?
To repeat I’m observing the police can argue their logic has some merit. That is all.
I’m not saying it’s right or that I support it but simply saying they can defend it. What they and the club can’t defend is its execution/implementation.
The comparison to Palace isn’t particularly relevant particularly as they likely get held back at many grounds.
They would be held back in 90 grounds, the only where they wouldn’t would be the rusty toolbox and The Valley. Saturday wasn’t the first time it’s happened in SE7, so you can’t use what was happening up town as a reason. Greenwich police have made the call on both occasions and are the only force to do so in the country. On both occasions, it’s been a mess.
To play devils advocate only they might claim otherwise if there were few arrests / incidents?
Our supporter base complaining of inconvenience (rightly) likely wouldn’t trump actual arrestable incidents of trouble I suppose
(The Sam Bartram gate issue aside and not obviously the consequence of letting them leave first)
In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
There was a tannoy announcement about it
At least one of the announcers is on this forum, perhaps he can confirm if & when there was an announcement or has he also taken the same vow of silence as the Communications team, Board of directors, Fans advocates & Advisory board.
There was 100% an announcement at full time I could hear it leaving the front of the Covered Upper, we left pretty much at the full time whistle with the announcement maybe 2-3 mins after the game finished.
The club sent countless posts on insta before this match hyping it as every notch went up from 20K to 23K, 10am Fan zone opening etc......Yet nothing on post match arrangements on website, insta, email etc as for an announcement where was it on the Big screen before, during, after the match....There was an PA announcement but i could hardly hear it in ES..... Club have had nearly 48hrs to address what happened on Saturday.....if it were a new player, kit, corporate event we would all hear about it multiple times....
Posting the 'plan your trip' msg at 8am on Saturday morning was a piss take, that's literally the only non ticket buying communication that went out over the last week.
They have not done themselves any favours by the deafening silence more than two days after the game. The club know that things did not go well.
In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
There was a tannoy announcement about it
At least one of the announcers is on this forum, perhaps he can confirm if & when there was an announcement or has he also taken the same vow of silence as the Communications team, Board of directors, Fans advocates & Advisory board.
There was 100% an announcement at full time I could hear it leaving the front of the Covered Upper, we left pretty much at the full time whistle with the announcement maybe 2-3 mins after the game finished.
The club sent countless posts on insta before this match hyping it as every notch went up from 20K to 23K, 10am Fan zone opening etc......Yet nothing on post match arrangements on website, insta, email etc as for an announcement where was it on the Big screen before, during, after the match....There was an PA announcement but i could hardly hear it in ES..... Club have had nearly 48hrs to address what happened on Saturday.....if it were a new player, kit, corporate event we would all hear about it multiple times....
Posting the 'plan your trip' msg at 8am on Saturday morning was a piss take, that's literally the only non ticket buying communication that went out over the last week.
They have not done themselves any favours by the deafening silence more than two days after the game. The club know that things did not go well.
They had time to text me today urging me to buy a ticket for the Blackburn game !
In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
There was a tannoy announcement about it
At least one of the announcers is on this forum, perhaps he can confirm if & when there was an announcement or has he also taken the same vow of silence as the Communications team, Board of directors, Fans advocates & Advisory board.
There was 100% an announcement at full time I could hear it leaving the front of the Covered Upper, we left pretty much at the full time whistle with the announcement maybe 2-3 mins after the game finished.
The club sent countless posts on insta before this match hyping it as every notch went up from 20K to 23K, 10am Fan zone opening etc......Yet nothing on post match arrangements on website, insta, email etc as for an announcement where was it on the Big screen before, during, after the match....There was an PA announcement but i could hardly hear it in ES..... Club have had nearly 48hrs to address what happened on Saturday.....if it were a new player, kit, corporate event we would all hear about it multiple times....
Posting the 'plan your trip' msg at 8am on Saturday morning was a piss take, that's literally the only non ticket buying communication that went out over the last week.
They have not done themselves any favours by the deafening silence more than two days after the game. The club know that things did not go well.
In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
There was a tannoy announcement about it
At least one of the announcers is on this forum, perhaps he can confirm if & when there was an announcement or has he also taken the same vow of silence as the Communications team, Board of directors, Fans advocates & Advisory board.
There was 100% an announcement at full time I could hear it leaving the front of the Covered Upper, we left pretty much at the full time whistle with the announcement maybe 2-3 mins after the game finished.
The club sent countless posts on insta before this match hyping it as every notch went up from 20K to 23K, 10am Fan zone opening etc......Yet nothing on post match arrangements on website, insta, email etc as for an announcement where was it on the Big screen before, during, after the match....There was an PA announcement but i could hardly hear it in ES..... Club have had nearly 48hrs to address what happened on Saturday.....if it were a new player, kit, corporate event we would all hear about it multiple times....
Posting the 'plan your trip' msg at 8am on Saturday morning was a piss take, that's literally the only non ticket buying communication that went out over the last week.
They have not done themselves any favours by the deafening silence more than two days after the game. The club know that things did not go well.
We have no idea what the club think.
It’s easy to work out, they’re still advertising the game!
I think this whole debacle has shown that people making the decisions at the club have no understanding or respect for us The Fans. The lack of communication, before & during the match was woeful and its inexcusable that for 2 days the club & comms dept have gone AWOL! The club have scored a big own goal rather than nip this in bud, by holding up their hands and explained why decisions were made to prioritise Millwall & stewarding & policing of The Sam Bartram Gate incident which saw fans attacked.
Let's hope Tuesday morning the club act swiftly by acknowledging how they fell short & that this wont happen again. The fan liaison team & CAST need to say something or what is the point of them? For all the on field improvements under Nathan, Our clubs admin and comms depts feel like a bunch of disorganised amateurs.
In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
There was a tannoy announcement about it
At least one of the announcers is on this forum, perhaps he can confirm if & when there was an announcement or has he also taken the same vow of silence as the Communications team, Board of directors, Fans advocates & Advisory board.
There was 100% an announcement at full time I could hear it leaving the front of the Covered Upper, we left pretty much at the full time whistle with the announcement maybe 2-3 mins after the game finished.
The club sent countless posts on insta before this match hyping it as every notch went up from 20K to 23K, 10am Fan zone opening etc......Yet nothing on post match arrangements on website, insta, email etc as for an announcement where was it on the Big screen before, during, after the match....There was an PA announcement but i could hardly hear it in ES..... Club have had nearly 48hrs to address what happened on Saturday.....if it were a new player, kit, corporate event we would all hear about it multiple times....
Posting the 'plan your trip' msg at 8am on Saturday morning was a piss take, that's literally the only non ticket buying communication that went out over the last week.
They have not done themselves any favours by the deafening silence more than two days after the game. The club know that things did not go well.
We have no idea what the club think.
That's rather the point, isn't it?
Anyone with even a bit of common sense, let alone "marketing" specialists, know you've got to try and get on top of and "own" bad news as soon as possible.
Nothing from the Club. Nothing from the Trust. Nothing from the fans representatives.
But hey, Blackburn tickets are on sale folks ......... and no detour this time. (At least, nothing announced as yet, but best hang on until an hour before kick off to be sure!)
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It'll be a load of old waffle when/if they do announce anything.
" Leaves a lot to be desired" I'd say.
There is never any interaction at all there between opposing fans (friendly or aggressive).
Blame the police for a lot of the hassle on the day, but the clubs management was extremely poor. They knew if there were to be any in-game flashpoints it would have been through their fans securing tickets in the AC or West Stands (would never happen in the Covered End). Despite the higher crowd and risk potential, there didn’t seem to be a single extra steward in the AC stand on Saturday than there was when we played L1 midweek games with less than 1k in the stand. There wasn’t a single one of the escalation (bully boy) steward group positioned there nor police, just the usual ones whose role is basically telling people where their seats are or reminding visitors you can’t drink beer in pints. None of them are geared up to deal with any trouble.
Either way, communication was lacking. We can agree that.
Takes some bottle to stand there in order to at least try and protect those more vulnerable.
The Club should recognise his bravery with a spot of lunch on a match day.
How about putting up signs near the turnstiles or having people with loud-hailers outside the turnstiles getting the message across.
It was clear when I walked out into Harvey Gardens that so many people had no idea which way to go, as people were trying to go both ways and with the shear numbers that made the matter worse. Things only got even worse when I reached Charlton Lane and found cars being allowed to mingle with the thousands of pedestrians.
I was pleased to go across to Coxmount Road and not to continue with the masses travelling towards the level crossing.
It must have been horrendous with that many people turning left on the pavements towards the station.
I thought at least one of those three would have said something by now
Ahead of kick-off at Crystal Palace, millwallfc.co.uk releases the following information to ensure Lions supporters' visit goes as smoothly as possible...
Post-match, Millwall fans will exit the stadium and will be held temporarily outside the away turnstiles to allow home fans to disperse from the local area. Updates will be provided via a PA system on a regular basis to ensure regular communication is provided.
So I took a video from the west stand must have been just after matey hit him and you can see the Charlton fan shove him away and then a Millwall fan (fair play) comes up the stairs and gets a few digs in on the Millwall fan who then has a little dig at the Good Samaritan scum fan.
then another pond life tries to throw same Charlton fan down the stairs but he’s pretty solid and the old snide goes back down the stairs .
Perhaps @valleynick66 would like to explain if he still thinks "... with hindsight and having the opportunity to reflect, the decision by the police to not hold back Millwall could still be argued by the police to be reasonable.
To repeat I’m observing the police can argue their logic has some merit. That is all.
(The Sam Bartram gate issue aside and not obviously the consequence of letting them leave first)
They have not done themselves any favours by the deafening silence more than two days after the game. The club know that things did not go well.
For all the on field improvements under Nathan, Our clubs admin and comms depts feel like a bunch of disorganised amateurs.
Anyone with even a bit of common sense, let alone "marketing" specialists, know you've got to try and get on top of and "own" bad news as soon as possible.
Nothing from the Club. Nothing from the Trust. Nothing from the fans representatives.
But hey, Blackburn tickets are on sale folks ......... and no detour this time. (At least, nothing announced as yet, but best hang on until an hour before kick off to be sure!)