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After the Millwall game - club reply to CAST p34, further CAST response p45
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And that is what I am referring to, not a 250k march uptownsuperclive98 said:
Impossible to have been at our game, as they made sure they were nowhere near any possible trouble.KBslittlesis said:
You might want to ask the 20 + officers who were all hospitalised after going to work yesterday. (Not at our game thankfully).R0TW said:Got to laugh at this police “tour of duty” expression.
Hardly a stint in Northern Ireland at the height of its troubles was it?0 -
Does anybody know if the lad who was attacked trying to reason with the Millwall thugs is ok.10
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Have you been locked in the garden shed for the last 20 years Dave?Dave2l said:Is there a particular reason why Millwall fans wear burbrey hats and burbery scarfs?
There is a cringe loyalty towards a fasion brand
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Baldybonce said:
Have you been locked in the garden shed for the last 20 years Dave?Dave2l said:Is there a particular reason why Millwall fans wear burbrey hats and burbery scarfs?
There is a cringe loyalty towards a fasion brand
Not quite. I used a time machine in 1994 and missed everything up until this moment.
I'm guessing the owner of burbery was a major shareholder at Millwall0 -
that has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion and in some ways is an an inflammatory statementKBslittlesis said:
You might want to ask the 20 + officers who were all hospitalised after going to work yesterday. (Not at our game thankfully).R0TW said:Got to laugh at this police “tour of duty” expression.
Hardly a stint in Northern Ireland at the height of its troubles was it?3 -
Certainly not. Burberry stopped making the cap in 2004 because of it's popularity with yobs. it was reintroduced in 2017 with a price tag of £290Dave2l said:Baldybonce said:
Have you been locked in the garden shed for the last 20 years Dave?Dave2l said:Is there a particular reason why Millwall fans wear burbrey hats and burbery scarfs?
There is a cringe loyalty towards a fasion brand
Not quite. I used a time machine in 1994 and missed everything up until this moment.
I'm guessing the owner of burbery was a major shareholder at Millwall
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How is it inflammatory fhs?lancashire lad said:
that has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion and in some ways is an an inflammatory statementKBslittlesis said:
You might want to ask the 20 + officers who were all hospitalised after going to work yesterday. (Not at our game thankfully).R0TW said:Got to laugh at this police “tour of duty” expression.
Hardly a stint in Northern Ireland at the height of its troubles was it?
They questioned the tour of duty expression & I replied that those who worked yesterday definitely would question the inference it was hardly a stint during the troubles.
And to say it has nothing to do with our discussion is ridiculous when it's entirely possible that those officers who were doing very little at the game could well have then been further deployed up town & worked far more hours than they were scheduled to.
Something which is being done more frequently now when it hardly ever happened before.2 -
I'm sure that every OB whose "tour of duty" yesterday was Charlton v Millwall, instead of the march in London, was absolutely chuffed, as they stood around being of no use to anyone.R0TW said:
And that is what I am referring to, not a 250k march uptownsuperclive98 said:
Impossible to have been at our game, as they made sure they were nowhere near any possible trouble.KBslittlesis said:
You might want to ask the 20 + officers who were all hospitalised after going to work yesterday. (Not at our game thankfully).R0TW said:Got to laugh at this police “tour of duty” expression.
Hardly a stint in Northern Ireland at the height of its troubles was it?11 -
Is yesterday's level of aggro the norm for them nowadays - I mean among the ST holder, high points, non-high risk types? There is hardly anything on their forum other than a bit on the bloke who revealed his Millwall shirt and comments about threads on CL being an overreaction .
Did strike me passing them outside the Angerstein before the match what very different fanbases Charlton and Millwall are. Of course it's an away support which will always be a bit different, but their's is such a monoculture - all dressed similarly, no colours, almost a complete absence of women. I know all this, but just hadn't seen it up close for nearly a decade.7 -
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Sounds like nonsense to me. Plenty join the force for those situations and riot gear keeps them pretty safe.PragueAddick said:
I heard that too. The problem i’ve got with it, apart from the obvious one that the police simply cannot be “scared” of Millwall fans, is that, for sure, Millwall fans are held back at many grounds they visit around the country, and they dont routinely smash up every one or attack all the police there. Why would they be any worse at our place than at Leeds? Or Pompey? Or Palace on Wednesday?Fanny Fanackapan said:Picking up on one of @Mametz's comments above.
I was told by someone ITK that the police were scared sh*tless that the Millwall "fans" would resort to violence should any alternative plan for leaving the Ground be implemented.
Violence against Charlton fans or the police themselves ?
The Greenwich police need to answer that one.1 -
Maybe I am in a minority here, but today’s policing seems to be more about filming and arresting after an event, rather than prevention of the event. This would certainly increase stats in the police favour regarding their quantities required at football matches. The same could be argued for similar gatherings outside of football, but let’s not go there.
Let’s be honest, by not policing that gate, they could probably safely go for around 20 arrests.
Policing those gates, no arrests.6 -
Before I left my last Company, one of my work colleagues, a lovely Palace fan. I mean that in a nice way. I left that company about 5 years ago. Back then, he used to tell me that his son (who is a copper) loved it when he was on Duty at Charlton home games, they used to sit in their vans, often claiming overtime and having nothing to do. However, just before I left, his son had been assaulted (not at a football game), violent thug and ended up in hospital twice.0
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I sincerely hope he is and that, if he feels up to it, he reports it to the police so they open a case for assault. The lowlife in question needs to be nicked and subjected to a banning order.Bournesnr said:Does anybody know if the lad who was attacked trying to reason with the Millwall thugs is ok.6 -
NoMrOneLung said:Didn’t we have a fan, who after they equalised ran across corner of pitch and started fighting with Millwall fans in corner of Jimmy Seed
also, seen video of one of the mouthy ones in east stand actually being a spurs fan giving it to Millwall0 -
Said the same to my sons as we shuffled along Harvey Gardens. They could have been on the marches, or up at the Millwall end, instead they are in full riot gear dealing with lost Charlton supporterssuperclive98 said:
I'm sure that every OB whose "tour of duty" yesterday was Charlton v Millwall, instead of the march in London, was absolutely chuffed, as they stood around being of no use to anyone.R0TW said:
And that is what I am referring to, not a 250k march uptownsuperclive98 said:
Impossible to have been at our game, as they made sure they were nowhere near any possible trouble.KBslittlesis said:
You might want to ask the 20 + officers who were all hospitalised after going to work yesterday. (Not at our game thankfully).R0TW said:Got to laugh at this police “tour of duty” expression.
Hardly a stint in Northern Ireland at the height of its troubles was it?3 -
Can’t see the Burberry in that pic. Burberry stopped making caps etc due to the hooligan link. Football fans/casuals/hooligans have always worn fashion brands - aquascutum, stone island, CP company, weekend offender etc etc. it’s not a millwall thing at all, in fact it’s as much a Charlton thing as anyone elseDave2l said:Baldybonce said:
Have you been locked in the garden shed for the last 20 years Dave?Dave2l said:Is there a particular reason why Millwall fans wear burbrey hats and burbery scarfs?
There is a cringe loyalty towards a fasion brand
Not quite. I used a time machine in 1994 and missed everything up until this moment.
I'm guessing the owner of burbery was a major shareholder at Millwall2 -
26 pages on this thread wow.
My conclusion is that old bill absolutely fucked up and that the Millwall scum never change.
Please please please do not repeat these mistakes next season.
Just keep the c***s back for 30 minutes like they do for us and don't bend over and take it up the arse like the old bill do because they haven't got the bollox to police it properly26 -
They'll be 26 pages next season if we play them aswell.blackpool72 said:26 pages on this thread wow.
My conclusion is that old bill absolutely fucked up and that the Millwall scum never change.
Please please please do not repeat these mistakes next season.
Just keep the c***s back for 30 minutes like they do for us and don't bend over and take it up the arse like the old bill do because they haven't got the bollox to police it properly1 -
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"You weren't there man ....... YOU WEREN'T THERE!"superclive98 said:
I'm sure that every OB whose "tour of duty" yesterday was Charlton v Millwall, instead of the march in London, was absolutely chuffed, as they stood around being of no use to anyone.R0TW said:
And that is what I am referring to, not a 250k march uptownsuperclive98 said:
Impossible to have been at our game, as they made sure they were nowhere near any possible trouble.KBslittlesis said:
You might want to ask the 20 + officers who were all hospitalised after going to work yesterday. (Not at our game thankfully).R0TW said:Got to laugh at this police “tour of duty” expression.
Hardly a stint in Northern Ireland at the height of its troubles was it?
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what is "fhs"KBslittlesis said:
How is it inflammatory fhs?lancashire lad said:
that has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion and in some ways is an an inflammatory statementKBslittlesis said:
You might want to ask the 20 + officers who were all hospitalised after going to work yesterday. (Not at our game thankfully).R0TW said:Got to laugh at this police “tour of duty” expression.
Hardly a stint in Northern Ireland at the height of its troubles was it?
They questioned the tour of duty expression & I replied that those who worked yesterday definitely would question the inference it was hardly a stint during the troubles.
And to say it has nothing to do with our discussion is ridiculous when it's entirely possible that those officers who were doing very little at the game could well have then been further deployed up town & worked far more hours than they were scheduled to.
Something which is being done more frequently now when it hardly ever happened before.0 -
I think that fan was OK, he took a punch from that Millwall thug, it was the Charlton fan who 6-7 Millwall were punching and kicking on the floor i was more worried about. The fan who held up his hands was try to "reason" with these thugs and then was hit.....I didn't see it all as the thugs started coming up the stairs and they was quite a scramble, My knee is damaged so i was using my walking stick so was struggling to get away ...........Blucher said:
I sincerely hope he is and that, if he feels up to it, he reports it to the police so they open a case for assault. The lowlife in question needs to be nicked and subjected to a banning order.Bournesnr said:Does anybody know if the lad who was attacked trying to reason with the Millwall thugs is ok.0 -
add this to the list of complaints the half and half scarves!5 -
I heard on the news that 500 extra police were drafted in from elsewhere for the London demos.....mainly the Midlands.KBslittlesis said:There are things here that really don’t add up.
Especially last minute changes to routes enforced on the club.
I’ve organised policing for plenty of high category football matches and things are usually sorted and set in stone weeks before.I’ll wager those who were responsible for the march up town underestimated the numbers and then had to rob Peter to pay Paul.
Plus the nonsense in the away end should have been dealt with by security inside the ground. Having only two uncontactable stewards on a gate that keeps two rival supporters apart makes no sense at all.
All the while protests continue in London, other policing will suffer. Not an excuse but it’s reality.0 -
That Millwall fan who ran from ES into JS & Millwall fought stewards off & he got into the AWAY end....
If Police can be bothered its all online so they can find these idiots.....0 -
I've seen it all now.TootingRedArmy said:
add this to the list of complaints the half and half scarves!0 -
Y'know what, i said to my bro yesterday that I felt abit sorry for OB having to deal with the shit at Charlton and in central London yesterday. I retract that as they completely fucked up and fucked off at the earliest opportunity. Embarrassing tbh.R0TW said:Got to laugh at this police “tour of duty” expression.
Hardly a stint in Northern Ireland at the height of its troubles was it?0 -
Yesterday was a car crash in my view.
Behind me was a very vocal aggressive Millwall fan sitting in hospitality who I reported. Personally I don't normally have a problem with away fans sitting in home areas as long as they respect that they are guests and not be provocative. Like others this guy wasn't. Back in the 70's on the East Terrace you could always move if you didn't like the vibe where you were. We don't have that option now.
I think we all need to be careful who we buy tickets for. These so called fans were apparently brought tickets by a regular Charlton fan.
Like others I have sometimes sat in home areas. Although in the away end last season at Orient , I swerved the excellent Supporters Club Bar after the match because I knew that my O's friends would feel very differently about the game and I didn't want to gloat. Like us yesterday they would have wanted to process their disappointment amongst their own fanbase.
It's basically about respect and the Spanners don't have any for us and probably any other club.11 -
What happened to @Millwall fan who people seemed to like and assured us the scum would cause no trouble as it wasn’t the 70s or 80s or 90’s ..,.3
