Someone has already pointed out but new Jones teams very often take a while to gel. Look at last year when it finally all clicked in to place.
I have a mate who is a big Luton fan and he said their promotion season it took 3 months or so for it to all come together, and I think that considering we have 5 points and it still doesn’t look as knitted together as we know jones will want it to be, we have a lot to be positive about.
There are much worse teams in this league than us already, and I genuinely think there’s much more to come from us when jones finally gets it all to come together
Thoroughly agree with this -
If we already had that "gelling" in place we could easily be sitting on 10 points and in the top 8.
I also saw some signs that we were trying to play to Kelman's strength's - you saw twice we tried to pop it in behind, first time, with a clear instruction.
I also think NJ loves us, genuinely loves us as as club and KNOWS what we can be.
I have some very bullish thoughts over the next few years which I won't verbalise, but I think for the first time in many many years I think we are on the up in a real way.
Taken this from the player ratings thread - "COVENTRY: 6 overall a decent showing, but when their goal comes from a pass in that position, he's the guy who should be there.
I'm not sure Coventry can blamed here. There are 3 of ours around two of theirs, if anyone should be closer it's Doc. CC then can't just do nothing and has to come across to the immediate danger, which unfortunately leaves space for them after the parry.
To be clear I wasn’t blaming him, I don’t think it was one persons fault at all. I think he should have faith that Bell will attempt to block the ball (which he does) and not abandon his man, easy to say on hindsight and with multiple angles though
Posting for first time since the game - such an up and down game in terms of emotions. Would have taken a point beforehand, then at half time it felt like we were comfortably the better side. Then second half (and especially after the red card) I felt like we were hanging on waiting for the inevitable.
Main thing for me is I think on the whole we have looked decent this season. We have played well, if a bit toothless up front. We have signed good players and our others have broadly stepped up.
But we only have five points. And the worry is that we only have five points whilst playing pretty well with Sheff Utd away to come who are about to sack their manager so thats only gonna go one way.
We need to get a couple of wins under our belts and after the Sheff Utd game there are plenty of opportunities we have to take.
I think some posters need to take a deep breath. The truth is we were competitive against a team that's spanked us time after time for as long as I can remember and several players with question marks over their ability to play at this level are proving their doubters wrong. Overall the positives are outnumbering the negatives and realistically that's all we can hope for.
Posting for first time since the game - such an up and down game in terms of emotions. Would have taken a point beforehand, then at half time it felt like we were comfortably the better side. Then second half (and especially after the red card) I felt like we were hanging on waiting for the inevitable.
Main thing for me is I think on the whole we have looked decent this season. We have played well, if a bit toothless up front. We have signed good players and our others have broadly stepped up.
But we only have five points. And the worry is that we only have five points whilst playing pretty well with Sheff Utd away to come who are about to sack their manager so thats only gonna go one way.
We need to get a couple of wins under our belts and after the Sheff Utd game there are plenty of opportunities we have to take.
Someone has already pointed out but new Jones teams very often take a while to gel. Look at last year when it finally all clicked in to place.
I have a mate who is a big Luton fan and he said their promotion season it took 3 months or so for it to all come together, and I think that considering we have 5 points and it still doesn’t look as knitted together as we know jones will want it to be, we have a lot to be positive about.
There are much worse teams in this league than us already, and I genuinely think there’s much more to come from us when jones finally gets it all to come together
Problem is that the team are actually putting in solid performances the team look really well drilled know their roles and are competing only issue we have at the moment is finding a way to get Kelman working, last season we looked a complete mess and no idea what the game plan was. Performance wise we haven’t started slow in the slightest I’m just concerned it comes down to the squad just may not being good enough for this level although you would expect our fortune in results to change
Whilst I see your point, I still think we look a bit disjointed in the final third. Defensively superb, the midfield is grafting hard but in the final areas we still don’t really know how to link it together. If we did I think we beat both Leicester and Millwall pretty comfortably and maybe get something at QPR.
Agree we’re not the mess we were this time last year, but we have loads of gelling to do.
The fact we’re still playing well and picking up points despite it not quite being there is a real positive in my opinion
Taken this from the player ratings thread - "COVENTRY: 6 overall a decent showing, but when their goal comes from a pass in that position, he's the guy who should be there.
I'm not sure Coventry can blamed here. There are 3 of ours around two of theirs, if anyone should be closer it's Doc. CC then can't just do nothing and has to come across to the immediate danger, which unfortunately leaves space for them after the parry.
To be clear I wasn’t blaming him, I don’t think it was one persons fault at all. I think he should have faith that Bell will attempt to block the ball (which he does) and not abandon his man, easy to say on hindsight and with multiple angles though
Yeah I get what you're saying about Bell but he wasn't close, so to me it's completely understandable why CC would come across. You could also argue that Carey could've reacted quicker to cover CC. All in all though it was a complete mess.
Well reading through all this has been predictable.
Millwall do as they say on the tin, and they are a can of cnuts.
Yet, still our football club and the police cow tau to this lot, time and time again. Keep the away crowd penned and once the home crowd has dispersed, walk them to the station/buses whatever. Standard practice in UK football for decades, ever since grown men have used a football match as an excuse to behave like rabid animals.
This fixture never fails to leave a bad taste, one or more incidents on or off the pitch that leave me cold. A point is a point and from here I can gather we were up for it against a mediocre Millwall team, albeit with key players out, for once.
It's been a bit of a blessing we have not played these wnakers regularly over the years, with all the furore over the event each time.
BUT. There is always the nagging hope, the imagining that this will be our year. Long may we play them, but please treat them for what they are, scum.
If only we had the midfield player to slide in a pass like they did yesterday. Kelman would have scored first time.
Oh well.
Yes, pass of the match was the one that set up the shot Kaminski parried for their goal. In a split second we go from containing the situation to being in big trouble. We'll look at how we could have defended better despite the Ramsay sized hole, and reacted better to the shot and follow-up. But sometimes there's a good piece of play that goes against you. Moments of pure composure to pick out a great pass when the opportunity presents itself, that's what we could add. Hopefully this comes with more playing time together.
Ramsay, Nathan Jones and Leaburn threw that away for us.
Easily the best Charlton performance against Millwall in a very, very long time. Well on top for most of the game, especially the first half, should have made it count more at 1-0 up.
Cannot argue either of Ramsay’s yellows, especially the second, no idea what he was thinking. Just let the play go.
Nathan Jones panicked. Should have left Campbell or Apter on, absolutely no outlet, it was inevitable they’d score at that point. They couldn’t handle Campbell at all, he was brilliant, suicidal to substitute him.
Leaburn either isn’t interested, is lazy, or injured. Absolutely zero effort to close the initial attack down which led to their goal. I would be he’s off in January and that a deal is already done.
This.
I said earlier that the subs were all wrong. No pace left on the pitch & Leaburn still looks like his father, but without the heading ability.
Absolute rubbish talked about Leaburn. Far more talented than his Dad, except in the heading department.
Thinking ahead of Sheff Utd - we are gonna be under pressure from the start. Wilder likely back, ground rocking and then charging in at us from the start.
I think I would bring in Burke to sit alongside Jones and Bell. And also Bree to go RWB for a bit more solidity. Not sure if it will be a game for Apter.
Thinking ahead of Sheff Utd - we are gonna be under pressure from the start. Wilder likely back, ground rocking and then charging in at us from the start.
I think I would bring in Burke to sit alongside Jones and Bell. And also Bree to go RWB for a bit more solidity. Not sure if it will be a game for Apter.
At one moment in the 2nd half Miles had 4 players around him after Ramsay had an 'early bath' and the impressive TC was subbed. I'm just not convinced going so defensive was a good idea as they were always going to have chances as they threw players forward and our players were put under the cosh suddenly looked uncertain who was picking up the subs especially their goal scorer who could and should've had a brace.
It's Nathan's gig but I would have liked to see Leaburn have a player nearer to him as his footwork was excellent.
Obviously we had to be slightly defensive with 10 players but by being attack against defence who didn't think they would score at least once.
Watching it back on Sky this morning (I know, I'm a glutton for punishment) and we really did dominate them first half, and were completely comfortable until the red card. If Ramsay doesn't get sent off we win the game fairly easily IMO
Thinking ahead of Sheff Utd - we are gonna be under pressure from the start. Wilder likely back, ground rocking and then charging in at us from the start.
I think I would bring in Burke to sit alongside Jones and Bell. And also Bree to go RWB for a bit more solidity. Not sure if it will be a game for Apter.
Is Wilder the favourite again?
Can’t believe he’d go back again!
We need to attack in the next game. if we go there with a defensive mindset, we will lose.
I would play Miles & Charlie and also give Harvey a start.
The player marks are interesting, and usually there's some insightful comments that help me make sense of the game after the event. As one of my favourite posters, over the years, though a bit quieter of late (hope all is well), I'd love to know how you got to these marks @Viewfinder - as i am baffled tbh
Thinking ahead of Sheff Utd - we are gonna be under pressure from the start. Wilder likely back, ground rocking and then charging in at us from the start.
I think I would bring in Burke to sit alongside Jones and Bell. And also Bree to go RWB for a bit more solidity. Not sure if it will be a game for Apter.
Is Wilder the favourite again?
Can’t believe he’d go back again!
That was my thinking.
If he does take the job I hope he leaves it until Thursday or Friday so he will have little time to influence anything.
Is this a real quote? Because he seemed to be pretty supportive of Kayne in the clips I heard.
He definitely said that he can be laid back when talking to the club on twitter - But did follow it up immediately, by saying that Kayne has the potential to play at the top level,
Terrible away fans btw as per, heard better support from Northampton, Oxford United, Wycombe etc. Didn't make a peep until Ramsay got sent off and then just did their usual nonsense when they got their usual gifted hoodoo.
3000 of them and can't even generate an atmosphere for a London Derby.
Terrible away fans btw as per, seen better support from Northampton, Oxford United, Wycombe etc. Didn't make a peep until Ramsay got sent off and then just did their usual nonsense when they got their usual gifted hoodoo.
3000 of them and can't even generate an atmosphere for a London Derby.
Agree 100%... Very poor overall, and def in the category of "Sing when we're drawing", but keep schtum otherwise, and yes we don't like 'em either...
Thinking ahead of Sheff Utd - we are gonna be under pressure from the start. Wilder likely back, ground rocking and then charging in at us from the start.
I think I would bring in Burke to sit alongside Jones and Bell. And also Bree to go RWB for a bit more solidity. Not sure if it will be a game for Apter.
Ramsay, Nathan Jones and Leaburn threw that away for us.
Easily the best Charlton performance against Millwall in a very, very long time. Well on top for most of the game, especially the first half, should have made it count more at 1-0 up.
Cannot argue either of Ramsay’s yellows, especially the second, no idea what he was thinking. Just let the play go.
Nathan Jones panicked. Should have left Campbell or Apter on, absolutely no outlet, it was inevitable they’d score at that point. They couldn’t handle Campbell at all, he was brilliant, suicidal to substitute him.
Leaburn either isn’t interested, is lazy, or injured. Absolutely zero effort to close the initial attack down which led to their goal. I would be he’s off in January and that a deal is already done.
This.
I said earlier that the subs were all wrong. No pace left on the pitch & Leaburn still looks like his father, but without the heading ability.
Absolute rubbish talked about Leaburn. Far more talented than his Dad, except in the heading department.
Leaburn did some good things when he came on. But once we were down to 10 we could have down with a presser/chaser up front, like Olaofe. Miles is not that type of player.
Terrible away fans btw as per, heard better support from Northampton, Oxford United, Wycombe etc. Didn't make a peep until Ramsay got sent off and then just did their usual nonsense when they got their usual gifted hoodoo.
3000 of them and can't even generate an atmosphere for a London Derby.
My season ticket is middle of the east stand so feel I can give a pretty fair review of Covered End vs Jimmy Seed.
Covered End by a mile. Easily the quietest Jimmy Seed of the season so far
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If we already had that "gelling" in place we could easily be sitting on 10 points and in the top 8.
I also saw some signs that we were trying to play to Kelman's strength's - you saw twice we tried to pop it in behind, first time, with a clear instruction.
I also think NJ loves us, genuinely loves us as as club and KNOWS what we can be.
I have some very bullish thoughts over the next few years which I won't verbalise, but I think for the first time in many many years I think we are on the up in a real way.
No chance we go down.
Main thing for me is I think on the whole we have looked decent this season. We have played well, if a bit toothless up front. We have signed good players and our others have broadly stepped up.
But we only have five points. And the worry is that we only have five points whilst playing pretty well with Sheff Utd away to come who are about to sack their manager so thats only gonna go one way.
We need to get a couple of wins under our belts and after the Sheff Utd game there are plenty of opportunities we have to take.
Oh well.
Millwall do as they say on the tin, and they are a can of cnuts.
Yet, still our football club and the police cow tau to this lot, time and time again. Keep the away crowd penned and once the home crowd has dispersed, walk them to the station/buses whatever. Standard practice in UK football for decades, ever since grown men have used a football match as an excuse to behave like rabid animals.
This fixture never fails to leave a bad taste, one or more incidents on or off the pitch that leave me cold. A point is a point and from here I can gather we were up for it against a mediocre Millwall team, albeit with key players out, for once.
It's been a bit of a blessing we have not played these wnakers regularly over the years, with all the furore over the event each time.
BUT. There is always the nagging hope, the imagining that this will be our year. Long may we play them, but please treat them for what they are, scum.
Yes, pass of the match was the one that set up the shot Kaminski parried for their goal. In a split second we go from containing the situation to being in big trouble. We'll look at how we could have defended better despite the Ramsay sized hole, and reacted better to the shot and follow-up. But sometimes there's a good piece of play that goes against you. Moments of pure composure to pick out a great pass when the opportunity presents itself, that's what we could add. Hopefully this comes with more playing time together.
I'm convinced it wasn't a yellow.
I think I would bring in Burke to sit alongside Jones and Bell. And also Bree to go RWB for a bit more solidity. Not sure if it will be a game for Apter.
I'm just not convinced going so defensive was a good idea as they were always going to have chances as they threw players forward and our players were put under the cosh suddenly looked uncertain who was picking up the subs especially their goal scorer who could and should've had a brace.
It's Nathan's gig but I would have liked to see Leaburn have a player nearer to him as his footwork was excellent.
Obviously we had to be slightly defensive with 10 players but by being attack against defence who didn't think they would score at least once.
Gutted for all our players other than one.
I would play Miles & Charlie and also give Harvey a start.
KAMINSKI: 6
RAMSAY: 5
JONES: 7.5
BELL: 6.5
APTER: 4
COVENTRY: 5
CAREY: 5
DOCHERTY: 5
EDWARDS: 6.5
KELMAN: 4.5
CAMPBELL: 7
subs: BREE: 5
LEABURN: 6.5
BURKE: n/a
Referee: 7
Is this a real quote? Because he seemed to be pretty supportive of Kayne in the clips I heard.
If he does take the job I hope he leaves it until Thursday or Friday so he will have little time to influence anything.
3000 of them and can't even generate an atmosphere for a London Derby.
Very poor overall, and def in the category of "Sing when we're drawing", but keep schtum otherwise, and yes we don't like 'em either...
Covered End by a mile. Easily the quietest Jimmy Seed of the season so far